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2014-05-31 8:43:21 PM  
Number of polar bears I have been able to pet: 1*

*not an estimate
 
2014-05-31 8:44:15 PM  
What would you do for a Klondike bear?
 
2014-05-31 8:53:49 PM  
And?

That's what "estimate" means. ALL estimates are made up. Some are more accurate than others, but it's not like any of them are real.
 
2014-05-31 8:55:42 PM  

doglover: And?

That's what "estimate" means. ALL estimates are made up. Some are more accurate than others, but it's not like any of them are real.


Dont bring up semantics or you could bring in the "evolution is just a theory" crowd
 
2014-05-31 8:58:25 PM  
I'm pretty sure they don't have polar bear census takers.  Almost all wildlife population numbers are "estimates".
 
2014-05-31 8:59:55 PM  
Sheesh... it's POLAR not POLLING
 
2014-05-31 9:06:19 PM  
The public demanded a head count of polar bears?
 
2014-05-31 9:20:22 PM  

HawgWild: The public demanded a head count of polar bears?


Climate Change Deniers are using this to claim that the warning that polar bear populations are in danger is based on made up numbers. All part of the hoax, you see?
 
2014-05-31 9:21:11 PM  
The latest chapter in the 'all scientists are lying about AGW' playbook.
 
2014-05-31 9:23:03 PM  

Ambivalence: I'm pretty sure they don't have polar bear census takers.  Almost all wildlife population numbers are "estimates".


Things could get very dicey if you'd have to go polar bear house to polar bear house to conduct the census.
 
2014-05-31 9:27:01 PM  

Prey4reign: Ambivalence: I'm pretty sure they don't have polar bear census takers.  Almost all wildlife population numbers are "estimates".

Things could get very dicey if you'd have to go polar bear house to polar bear house to conduct the census.


I'm sure they would hire other polar bears to count polar bears.

Imagining a polar bear with a clipboard made me giggle.
 
2014-05-31 9:29:17 PM  
Does this mean Sarah Palin is automatically president?
 
2014-05-31 9:32:16 PM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: Number of polar bears I have been able to pet: 1*

*not an estimate


Was it a baby?  I heard they smell once they reach adulthood.  That would ruin it for me.  Bart the Bear was at a school event in the 80's and even from 10 feet away he smelled very much like a bear, which is to say he smelled like shiat.  That turned me off wanting to pet a Kodiak bear, even a friendly one, forever.
 
2014-05-31 9:46:51 PM  
And this is exactly why we need to require all US polar bears to have a US federal govt. ID. Prevents polar bear census fraud and also prevents socialist Canadian polar bears from illegally immigrating to the US. The issue of illegitimate cubs from US/Canadian bear matings is a whole other story and will likely require an international treaty and tariffs. Bears is serious business.
 
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2014-05-31 9:47:14 PM  

Ambivalence: Prey4reign: Ambivalence: I'm pretty sure they don't have polar bear census takers.  Almost all wildlife population numbers are "estimates".

Things could get very dicey if you'd have to go polar bear house to polar bear house to conduct the census.

I'm sure they would hire other polar bears to count polar bears.

Imagining a polar bear with a clipboard made me giggle.


I'm imagining Michele Bachbearr telling the dumber polar bears that the polar bear census is unconstitutional.
 
2014-05-31 9:50:36 PM  

reported: And this is exactly why we need to require all US polar bears to have a US federal govt. ID. Prevents polar bear census fraud and also prevents socialist Canadian polar bears from illegally immigrating to the US. The issue of illegitimate cubs from US/Canadian bear matings is a whole other story and will likely require an international treaty and tariffs. Bears is serious business.


Follow up question: May bears bear arms?
 
2014-05-31 9:53:18 PM  

clancifer: Does this mean Sarah Palin is automatically president?




No. The land bridge reconnected Alaska and Russia, and Putin annexed her.
 
2014-05-31 10:32:09 PM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: Number of polar bears I have been able to pet: 1*

*not an estimate


Are you looking forward to petting another with your remaining hand?


/I've heard they won't attack an unarmed man.
 
2014-05-31 10:43:33 PM  

Snarfangel: Mr. Fuzzypaws: Number of polar bears I have been able to pet: 1*

*not an estimate

Are you looking forward to petting another with your remaining hand?


/I've heard they won't attack an unarmed man.


That was almost unbearable
 
2014-05-31 10:49:53 PM  
There was like an F5 derpstorm under that article.
 
2014-05-31 10:55:16 PM  
Aha! Liberal Sciencetistas did not count each and every polar bear on Earth, and instead estimated the number of polar bears. This means global warming is a hoax and climate change doesn't exist.

Checkmate, Libs.
 
2014-05-31 11:04:31 PM  
I've seen this guy in person giving a speech on his more than 30 year career in in the arctic. He remembers what it was like in the 80s and tends to agree that things are changing up there big time.

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I suggest we send Darrell Issa and Ted Cruz and any other Republican up there to follow in his footsteps to see if it really is as bad as they say it is.
 
2014-05-31 11:56:19 PM  
So wait, that's what this story really is?

"We, the Daily Caller, are too farking stupid to understand what an estimate is"?

That's low even for those farktards.
 
2014-05-31 11:56:38 PM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: Number of polar bears I have been able to pet: 1*

*not an estimate


Number of polar bears I have had to make a conscious effort to avoid in a hallway at work: 2

/also not an estimate
 
2014-05-31 11:58:11 PM  
Polar scientists have SWAG?
 
2014-06-01 12:02:36 AM  

doglover: And?

That's what "estimate" means. ALL estimates are made up. Some are more accurate than others, but it's not like any of them are real.


You can get the bar a little lower if you kick it over into the sewer.
 
2014-06-01 12:05:32 AM  

MrBallou: the warning that polar bear populations are in danger is based on made up numbers


Well, made up numbers were given. Should have been heavier on caveat and lighter on a "guess" that intentionally left some out.
 
2014-06-01 12:17:05 AM  

clancifer: Does this mean Sarah Palin is automatically president?


Queen. She counted every one of the polar bears from her house, and she's the one who broke this story.
 
2014-06-01 12:17:08 AM  

DemonEater: So wait, that's what this story really is?

"We, the Daily Caller, are too farking stupid to understand what an estimate is"?

That's low even for those farktards.


Actually, I think the story is "We, the Daily Caller, realize our readers are too farking stupid to understand what an estimate is, and will believe anything we tell them." And they're right.

And nothing is too low for those farktards.
 
2014-06-01 12:19:13 AM  
What's next?  Polar bears on tropical Pacific islands?
 
2014-06-01 12:36:03 AM  

Lsherm: Mr. Fuzzypaws: Number of polar bears I have been able to pet: 1*

*not an estimate

Was it a baby?  I heard they smell once they reach adulthood.  That would ruin it for me.  Bart the Bear was at a school event in the 80's and even from 10 feet away he smelled very much like a bear, which is to say he smelled like shiat.  That turned me off wanting to pet a Kodiak bear, even a friendly one, forever.


I once had a bear bust out of the woods to my left, run across the road I was standing about 10 ft in front of me, and then keep running at roughly the same speed right up the mountain to my right. I watched in awe as the whole situation went down... It was like the whole thing happened in slow motion. It never even glanced at me as it ran by. I distinctly remember seeing it's shoulder muscles just rippling and pulling it along with amazing power. I do not, however, remember smelling anything out of the ordinary.

Moments later I was far more concerned with what had scared that bear and caused it to run away so intently... but I never satisfied that curiosity.
 
2014-06-01 12:40:15 AM  

cryinoutloud: clancifer: Does this mean Sarah Palin is automatically president?

Queen. She counted every one of the polar bears from her house, and she's the one who broke this story.


She only counted the Russian ones.

You know, the ones she can see from her house.
 
2014-06-01 12:47:18 AM  
That Polar Bear Science blog is seven kinds of crazy.
 
2014-06-01 12:53:29 AM  
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/equal opportunity
 
2014-06-01 12:59:30 AM  
The fact that scientists made up the number of polar bears probably means that scientists don't know everything like Jesus does, praise his name. The correct response to this madness is to cut NSF funding and stop using shampoo because scientists were involved with that shiat too.
 
2014-06-01 12:59:38 AM  
After reading TFA and  the blog post upon which it's based, TFA (and the blogger) are being a bit misleading.

Simply put, not all 'guesses' are the same. A "qualified guess" using available data is not somehow "made up" (as TFA contends), nor is it equivalent to guessing based on a complete lack of data (as the original blogger contends, and irresponsibly suggests the PBSG should do).
 
2014-06-01 1:08:11 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Snarfangel: Mr. Fuzzypaws: Number of polar bears I have been able to pet: 1*

*not an estimate

Are you looking forward to petting another with your remaining hand?


/I've heard they won't attack an unarmed man.

That was almost unbearable


"I pet bears", he said offhandedly.
 
2014-06-01 1:10:51 AM  
Damnhippyfreak: After reading TFA and  the blog post upon which it's based, TFA (and the blogger) are being a bit misleading.

You say this as though it's somehow unexpected or shocking.

Simply put, not all 'guesses' are the same. A "qualified guess" using available data is not somehow "made up" (as TFA contends), nor is it equivalent to guessing based on a complete lack of data (as the original blogger contends, and irresponsibly suggests the PBSG should do).

These are probably equate the scientific use of the term "theory" with "wild guess". I also don't think the term "estimate" would be too far out of line.
 
2014-06-01 1:11:16 AM  

Damnhippyfreak: After reading TFA and  the blog post upon which it's based, TFA (and the blogger) are being a bit misleading.

Simply put, not all 'guesses' are the same. A "qualified guess" using available data is not somehow "made up" (as TFA contends), nor is it equivalent to guessing based on a complete lack of data (as the original blogger contends, and irresponsibly suggests the PBSG should do).


A "bit misleading?" It's deliberately incorrect, meant to be yet another "wedge" by which morons (i.e., climate change deniers) can claim the existence of a worldwide intellectual conspiracy to defraud the rich. Seriously, other than morons, who's taking this Daily Caller crap with anything other than unmitigated, towering contempt?

The Daily Caller is a douchebag of the first water.
 
2014-06-01 1:11:39 AM  
"These are probably the same people..." I mean.
 
2014-06-01 1:12:34 AM  
I felt like putting a bullet between the eyes of every polar bear that wouldn't screw to save its species.
 
2014-06-01 1:17:58 AM  

Ambivalence: I'm pretty sure they don't have polar bear census takers.  Almost all wildlife population numbers are "estimates".


They did have polar bear census takers, and they were delicious.
 
2014-06-01 1:40:01 AM  

WelldeadLink: Ambivalence: I'm pretty sure they don't have polar bear census takers.  Almost all wildlife population numbers are "estimates".

They did have polar bear census takers, and they were delicious.


A census taker once tried to test a polar bear. The bear ate his liver, with some fava beans and a chilled Fresca.
 
2014-06-01 1:46:30 AM  
Daily Caller links are spreading to the Geek Tab now? This means something.
 
2014-06-01 1:48:25 AM  
Well, if the Daily Caller claims that it must be legit.
 
2014-06-01 2:02:32 AM  

doglover: And?

That's what "estimate" means. ALL estimates are made up. Some are more accurate than others, but it's not like any of them are real.


I don't think you mean real I think you mean precise--no estimate is precise because if it was precise it wouldn't be an estimate. Yet every estimate is real because it really is an estimate. In any event, the heart of the matter is that the estimates were not made in good faith but rather the numbers they picked were numbers they thought the public wanted to hear. The legal term for that is fraudulent misrepresentation. They knew the numbers were riddled with errors and omissions and released them anyway. It's just not honorable science to release an estimate with a MOE of +/- infinity because you have no clue as to what is happening.  An MOE of +/- infinity is not an estimate--it's bullshiat.
 
2014-06-01 2:38:40 AM  

worlddan: doglover: And?

That's what "estimate" means. ALL estimates are made up. Some are more accurate than others, but it's not like any of them are real.


I don't think you mean real I think you mean precise--no estimate is precise because if it was precise it wouldn't be an estimate. Yet every estimate is real because it really is an estimate.


You both may be a bit off. Estimates are real, and they all have a certain amount of precision (and imprecision). It's not a false dichotomy of real/not real nor one of precise/imprecise.


worlddan: In any event, the heart of the matter is that the estimates were not made in good faith but rather the numbers they picked were numbers they thought the public wanted to hear. The legal term for that is fraudulent misrepresentation. They knew the numbers were riddled with errors and omissions and released them anyway. It's just not honorable science to release an estimate with a MOE of +/- infinity because you have no clue as to what is happening.  An MOE of +/- infinity is not an estimate--it's bullshiat.


Note that this is no way what TFA says, nor the blog post upon which it was based.
 
2014-06-01 3:04:45 AM  

fusillade762: Daily Caller links are spreading to the Geek Tab now? This means something.


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2014-06-01 4:06:08 AM  
You mean that the extremely limited number of scientists available have not done a monthly head-count of one of the few animals known to hunt humans, and which also lives in a vast region that is extremely inhospitable to humans?

Color me shocked.  Next, you'll tell me that Neil DeGrauss Tyson hasn't personally counted all the stars in our galaxy. Or that the NRA doesn't have a perfectly accurate membership list that includes only current living members who are paying dues.
 
2014-06-01 4:07:29 AM  
Even FOX News thinks Daily Caller is a biased piece of propaganda-spewing shiat.
 
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