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(The Mary Sue)   Marvel Comics president Joe Quesada says he rooted for Zod all through Man of Steel   ( divider line
    More: Silly, Joe Quesada, marvel, Man of Steel, Marvel Entertainment, Inc., This Is Spinal Tap, Pa Kent, Jor-El, Krypton  
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2014-04-30 02:45:18 PM  
5 votes:

Blues_X: So he watched a different movie?

Who knows. I've watched the movie three times and I'm still lost on what the movie was trying to say.

It SEEMED like a normal Superman story, where Supes was facing down a complex moral issue bounded on one side by massive devastation, uncountable death tolls, and genocide, and on the other by a tragic figure who was raised from birth and built with tailored DNA to achieve one thing, the continuation of his people by any means necessary.

Superman's struggle should have been "how do I resolve this without complete destruction of half the planet in a giant battle royale and likely killing the last Kryptonians because they're rather dead-set on their plans?" Except he didn't really struggle with this. That's the exact option he chose, because Snyder thinks that just looking heroic and good makes you heroic and good. Superman knows the difference.

Superman was always compelling when his skillset was worthless to the problems at hand. And frankly, how often is the ability to punch a bad guy in the fast faster than the speed of sound all that handy? He's famously bemoaned the fact that his natural physical potential is in fact a major limitation, the best depiction was the "World of Cardboard" speech from the Justice League cartoon.

I'm not a huge fan of Supes, but he's more than a dumb brute whose only gift is wrecking a world made of cardboard, filled with McGuffins that let him stomp around it like Godzilla. That's why the movie sucked and so many people can't recall the finer plot points that tied those McGuffins together.
2014-05-01 12:46:03 PM  
3 votes:

Rwa2play: And it would've been a great callback to "S:TM" where Clark couldn't save Pa after he suffered a heart attack.

Jonathan Kent dying of a heart attack is critical to the development of Superman for a very specific reason. A reason that stupidly dying in a tornado can't hope to replicate. The tornado thing is stupid enough on the face of it, and it totally misses the point.

Clark's father dying of a heart attack is crucial because it's so ordinary. It wasn't a meteor from space or a mugger in a dark alley - Clark could stop those. Johnathan Kent dies because he's weak and frail. Johnathan Kent dies because he's human.

And with all the gifts Clark has, he can do nothing to prevent it.

This creates a pivotal moment in the development of Clark Kent becoming Superman. It welds him to humanity like nothing else could possibly do. It creates in him a drive to protect humanity from its own frailty.

A stupid tornado doesn't do that.
2014-04-30 01:39:59 PM  
3 votes:
Joe Quesada is a farking scumbag and should die in a horrible fiery plane crash.
2014-04-30 04:42:51 PM  
2 votes:

Confabulat: Also, Michael Keaton's Batman murdered Joker.

And all the workers at Axis chemicals when he bombed the factory, and the henchmen he threw down the bell tower. And the Penguin.

At least George Clooney's Batman got the whole don't kill thing right.
2014-05-01 03:16:40 PM  
1 vote:
I just don't understand what the point of Pa Kent's death scene was supposed to be.
2014-05-01 03:06:56 PM  
1 vote:
I thought the movie was decent as I watched it. I got what Pa Kent was about. I liked the flashback story style. Thought the overall tone was great. Generally I could feel Nolan's influence on giving the story a real world grounding. Explaining how his powers developed and matured over time, showing him dealing with those changes. It worked.

BUT I was immediately snapped out of the movie when the new Kyptonians are equal to Kal in mere minutes of showing up.  Kal was shown to be their perfect genetic code holder, or Superman, and it took him FARKING YEARS to establish his abilities. That's what the movie showed us. The second they stopped playing by their own carefully crafted rules, that they shoved in my face for an hour, I just didn't give a shiat anymore.  All for the huge fight. Other than the neck snap (which while out of normal character, made sense in the movie presented) the rest of the movie was blur for me. It lost my interest.

/ So wanted to enjoy this
// Just couldn't
2014-04-30 11:58:55 PM  
1 vote:

rocky_howard: MechaPyx: Also, when Superman is on their ship he loses his powers because he starts breathing the Kryptonian atmosphere and yet when the Kryptonians are running around in environmental suits they're breathing their own air but they still have superpowers? And he still has his powers when he's in space and not breathing anything at all so does the Earth's atmosphere give superpowers or not? I always thought it was the sun that gave him his power.

So you didn't watch the movie?

Sun and lower gravity gave them more strength.
Atmosphere and sun gave them heightened senses.

it's VERY damn clear.

If the atmosphere only affects their senses then why was he so weak after breathing the ship's atmo? And when Jor-El tweaks the ship's atmo back to Earth normal he regains his strength.
2014-04-30 11:56:17 PM  
1 vote:

hammer85:'re going to agree that no one died in the attack on Metropolis other than some soldiers?

I leave it open as a possibility, sure. The entire city could have been evacuated off screen, just like Zod could have survived off screen under the mist. But in a different thread you claimed Reeve 100%, no doubt in your mind. Which goes against the work of the actual filmmakers. I'm going to trust them over you.
2014-04-30 11:47:45 PM  
1 vote:

No Line For Beer: I too rooted for Zod.  But that's because Superman is a horrible character with huge development limitations that be written around by a only  a few very, very, good writers. All that's left is to write villains that hopefully bring more to the table than a target on their backs.  Otherwise, as someone referenced up-thread, Superman's just punching cardboard.

I always take offense at the first, especially when it's addressed by the second.

Superman is not a bad character. He just can't be written well by people who don't understand him. Joan Osbourne got to the core of who Superman a long time ago. "What if God were one of us?"

Now Superman isn't God, but the analogy works well enough. He's absolutely a being of near god-like abilities. What would a character like that living the life of a mortal do with those abilities? Why would he do what he does?

You're right that it takes an exceptional writer to do Superman well. He's not at all an easy character. But that's not the same as saying he's a bad one. He's just not constructed out of cliched conflicts like most characters. As such, he doesn't write himself as so many characters do.

Like so many people, you analyze Superman based on what he does. You reduce him to titillation and wish fulfillment value like Batman or Wolverine. That's why people think complex characters like Aquaman are boring while one-note characters like Iron Man are exciting.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that preference. I just want you to realize your reasoning is flawed.

Superman is fundamentally a transcendent being, so his problems are transcendent problems. Mundane villains with mundane motives are beneath the scope of the character. How many stories are there about Hercules beating up pickpockets? Superman getting foiled by some clown in facepaint or flamboyant serial killer is patently ridiculous. Superman's opponent is always "The Big Picture". His struggles are titanic - either against the world or against himself.

I get that some people don't like Superman. That's fair enough. But it's not because he's not a good character.
2014-04-30 11:34:01 PM  
1 vote:

chewielouie: Confabulat: Christopher Reeve's Superman also murdered Zod and his associates you know. I wonder why people forget that.

Why do some people keep saying this? Even without knowing a scene were deleted, I never got the impression that Zod and company died when I saw the movie in theaters. I don't think anyone with at least half a brain got that impression.

It's Man of Steel fans who keep saying this, so you're right about the half a brain thing. Without Man of Steel we wouldn't be talking about this. It's only brought up now as a cheap attempt at addressing the neck snap in a film 30 years later. "Well Reeves did it too so what's the problem?" No. No he didn't.

I've said it before but there's nothing about the tone of that scene that suggests he killed them. No body, no death. They disappear under some mist. It's ambiguous what happened, but they automatically jump to murder. Even with a deleted scene they still won't budge. They're trying to argue the merits of Man of Steel but since it has none beyond 'looks pretty' they have to resort to shiatting on an entirely different movie.
2014-04-30 10:35:37 PM  
1 vote:

Trocadero: Mad_Radhu: hammer85: Hey Quesada....pretty much everyone cheered for Quinn when he shot Skye.  It works both ways moron.

Skye has actually been really awesome in the last few episodes. I love how the writers gave a middle finger to a lot of the haters by revealing her real name as Mary Sue Poots.

No she hasn't. She still stinks. Even Ward out acted her last night, and that guy is terrible.

That's where we have to disagree. I lived the whole conversation in the diner where she was twisting in the knife. Plus, the whole Nazi exchange was hilarious.
2014-04-30 07:55:36 PM  
1 vote:
Zod: "Hey, Kal-El, your father leave you anything that looks like this supertech flash drive?  It has some data on it we need."

*superman hands over flash drive*

Zod: "Ok, sweet, thanks.  If you need us, we're going to be running our terraformers over on Mars and/or Venus where we can easily rebuild our planet without bothering anybody.  See ya, little buddy."

*roll credits*


Clark: "Say, space-Dad, you know about this guy specifically, any advice on whether to trust him and how to get rid of him if not?"

Jor-El: "Why, yes.  He wants this codex thing I stole, he's not going to deal in good faith, and you can retrofit your baby crib into a phantom zone portal thingy."

Clark: "Wow, good thing I came over to this ship to bring this up with you instead of talking to some random civilian with no knowledge of the problem whatsoever."

Jor-El: "Why would you have done that?  You know that I have personal, detailed knowledge of Kryptonian politics and history right up to the planetsplosion, you'd have to have an IQ lower than a below-average sack of doorknobs to not come to me when confronted with Kryptonians."

Clark: "True, not sure why I was even thinking that."

*ten second scene of Superman shot-putting his baby-ship at the Kryptonian ship*

*roll credits*
2014-04-30 06:55:04 PM  
1 vote:

buntz: With all the people that died, it wasn't convincing that Superman was so intent on saving the random people in the corner.  It would have been more believable if Lois was one of them.

Also, why couldn't Superman just put his hand over Zod's eyes?

Maybe if Zod's death had been accidental.  Like Zod's firing his heat vision, and Superman counters it by firing back with his own heat vision.  Maybe Supeman is in a position of self preservation?  And then it becomes a battles of wills, and in the end, Superman's proves too great, even for the inexperienced Superman to comprehend.   Maybe Zod is briefly distracted by Lois, and Superman accidently fries his brain.  Snyder can still have his "Superman murders" ending, but there exists sympathy for Superman on the audiences' part.
2014-04-30 04:53:11 PM  
1 vote:

Confabulat: nitefallz: Confabulat: Christopher Reeve's Superman also murdered Zod and his associates you know. I wonder why people forget that.

Also, Michael Keaton's Batman murdered Joker.

Remember that? Why so serious?

No, you're wrong.

But I'm not going to prove it for you.

Are you going to explain that when Reeve's Zod fell into the bottomless pit in the Fortress of Solitude that just magically sent him to the Phantom Zone or something?

Cause that's some bullshiat. Reeve's Superman straight up took their powers and killed all three in like a minute.

In the script and a deleted scene they were arrested.  They lost their powers but didn't fall into nothingness.
2014-04-30 04:35:05 PM  
1 vote:
You know what I never understood?  Krypton was falling apart everybody knew it.  Yet, they sent the insurrectionists to a safe place instead of... I don't know... absolutely anybody else.  You really want to punish Zod?  Doom him to die on the planet along with everyone else.  Send some nice Kryptonians to netherspace or whatever it's called so that they can survive.
2014-04-30 04:33:27 PM  
1 vote:

The_Sponge: Screw the hate....I liked the movie.

You will always have a seat at my
2014-04-30 04:27:41 PM  
1 vote:
Of course the head of Marvel wants Superman to's called, "eliminating your competition".
2014-04-30 04:18:53 PM  
1 vote:
I have a theory about the next movie, since everyone likes to complain about the loss of life and wanton destruction in the first movie.

Couldn't all that destruction and loss of life be the setup for Luthor and his mission against Supes? Doesn't that give Luthor a soap box to stand on?
2014-04-30 03:32:23 PM  
1 vote:
The 3 biggest issues I had with the movie.

1) The great General Zod, leader of the Krypton armies, gets his ass handed to him by a scientist. I know there was some fluff about Jor serving under him for a while or something, but there's no way a scientist should be able to kick the ass of a military general who's entire life is dedicated to fighting and killing.

2) Pa Kent's death. Just everything about it.

3) You have Zod, laying helpless on the ground from sensory overload, and Superman tells him EXACTLY how to deal with it. When your enemy is writhing on the ground, you don't tell him how to recover! That's like War 101.
2014-04-30 02:32:49 PM  
1 vote:
Joey Q is like Obama saying "Please proceed" to Mitt Romney.

As long as DC keeps doing what they're doing the way they've been doing it this decade, Joey Q and Marvel come out looking golden, no mater how badly they fark up.
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