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(SFGate)   San Francisco's latest outrage: Condo owners who are constantly renting out their units to a revolving door of tourists. "We've heard of cases where people get off the elevator and ask 'Where's the bellhop?' "   ( sfgate.com) divider line
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2014-04-18 09:28:18 AM  
2 votes:
Isn't a free market wonderful?

Hotels and business suites versus apartments, rentals versus ownership, condo owners versus Civilization. It's a constant flux and as Heraclitus says, you never step into the same housing market twice.

You do not own anything permanent in this world, it's just a time share.

Not that I have anything fixed against NIMBIES. NIMBIES preserve many of the good things of this world: communities, neighbourhoods, the country side. Even rich people sometimes have their uses: Mssrs. Irving have some of the fattest deer and salmon in the Province of New Brunswick and the world. Their ownership of 1.5 million acres (or possibly 1.7 million) in New Brunswick, and another 1.5 million in Nova Scotia, and again in Maine and so forth means that forests can grow, streams can sparkle and wildlife, fish and birds live largely unmolested except when the Irvings grant permission to hunters or fishermen (and fisherwomen) to travel on their vast feudal land-holdings. This is, as Martha Stewart would acknowledge, a good thing ... at least for some thing but not others.

It is nice to see somebody give a dispassionate and balanced view of such matters from time to time.

I've worked with economists, wildlife preservers, academics, and all sorts of people, and my family tree is  pretty much conterminous with society now, so I can often see the many sides of an issue, even if American and other media usually prefers to present only two sides to every issue and to bias and slant towards one side only.

This sort of thing is vital to the productivity of an eco-system or an economy or the life and health of a great city or state. Yes, some win and some lose. But it is a law of life that many are inconvenienced for the good of the whole.

No man is an island resort. Each is a piece of the continent, a part of the main.

Man without society is either a beast or a god said Aristotle. Which are you pretending to be?
2014-04-18 05:04:07 AM  
2 votes:

moothemagiccow: Is the SF City Council called Board of Supervisors or is some independent association trying to win a contest for vaguest name ever?

In California, cities have City Councils and counties have Boards of Supervisors. San Francisco is unique in California in that it is both a city and a county, so it has only one entity that does both jobs.
2014-04-18 08:04:27 AM  
1 vote:

highwayrun: Gig103: meyerkev: There's not enough hotels. People then turn around and rent out apartments/condos. HOA is handling it, city's actually being reasonable by SF standards, not really seeing the problem here other than "Have you considered building more hotels?"

Yeah, for a change it was refreshing to read an article not full of outrage.

I officially declare this a hijacked thread, to discuss the worst thing you've done in a hotel or rental. That way we can all be reminded why we don't post on CL or AirBNB.

Well, if you insist.

I was on tour and the reasonably nice hotel we were supposed to be staying in Madison lost our reservations and so tour management put us up in a vastly inferior Best Western. My friend the sound guy was so angered at the change in accommodations that he took a long wet dump across the bedspread in his room and wiped himself clean with his sheets before passing out drunk and stoned in the clean twin bed in my room.

So it was the BW's fault for the Madison losing your reservations and being cheaper than them?
2014-04-18 07:25:55 AM  
1 vote:
Did not read TFA, but people occasionally ask me, "Man, how could you move out of the Bay Area?"

Besides crushing cost of living, perpetually cold and gray skies, a political culture that could rival Best Korea's in insanity and vehemence, there was this need to complain about EVERYTHING. There's no cause so trivial, no use of property so private, that someone in the Bay Area can't gin up some outrage and Demand Action.

Usually because a) Shut up and b) Root Cause!
2014-04-18 04:57:24 AM  
1 vote:
Condo = Time Share. Really.
NIMBY but we rented a darling apartment when we visited Paris.
2014-04-18 04:48:09 AM  
1 vote:
Those New yorkers better up their game and soon, SF is quickly taking lead on the whiniest first world problems title.
2014-04-18 04:08:45 AM  
1 vote:
A good 9.0 should help reset some of those ridiculous housing problems.
2014-04-18 02:43:29 AM  
1 vote:
Meh.  Those tourists are a big part of why your city has so much money and your property is worth as much as it is.
2014-04-18 02:15:49 AM  
1 vote:

There's not enough hotels.  People then turn around and rent out apartments/condos.  HOA is handling it, city's actually being reasonable by SF standards, not really seeing the problem here other than "Have you considered building more hotels?"

/Don't think this'll fix the problem entirely.   Family rented out house in Harlem when visiting NYC because it was easier.
2014-04-18 12:04:27 AM  
1 vote:
You mean condo renters, it's the owners and HOA that have a problem with it.
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