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2014-04-11 8:38:43 AM  
i'm all about pathfinder and eclipse phase these days anyway.  mind you, shadowrun had its time in the sun, as did (weirdly enough) earthdawn.  then there was the glory that was Vampire the Masquerade and it's siblings, Mage and Werewolf.  all great games indeed.  But...alas...D&D has become a pale shadow of itself.
 
2014-04-11 8:39:22 AM  
FTFA: In an era of potent concern over internet pornography, cyber-bullying, and drugs, it is hard to imagine a game being controversial.

Or, for those of us who remember the moral panic every time a Bioware game gets released, it's easy.

Also, regarding that picture - that is like no game of Monopoly I have ever played.
 
2014-04-11 9:33:22 AM  
How to play
Polyhedral dice
Each player takes on role of character; one player becomes Dungeon Master, serving as game's referee and storyteller
Characters form party and set out on "adventure", guided by storyline set out by Dungeon Master
Game is open-ended and can last over several sessions; a set of polyhedral dice (pictured) are used by players



That is the most pathetic attempt at instructions that I have ever seen in my life. It's like giving driving directions that consist of
1. Car
2. Start car
3. Go that way very fast, if something gets in your way, turn. 'Snow sweat.
 
2014-04-11 9:34:26 AM  
Ah, D&D...played with a group in college for a long time. Good memories...

...especially when I had sex with the Dungeon Master.
 
2014-04-11 9:52:02 AM  
I cast...Magic Missile!
/Am I getting drunk yet?!
 
2014-04-11 9:52:09 AM  

tnpir: Ah, D&D...played with a group in college for a long time. Good memories...

...especially when I had sex with the Dungeon Master.


So, did you at least get to marry Sue your character? I mean that is what being the GMs fark thing is all about right? Why else would you fark them?
 
2014-04-11 9:52:17 AM  

Commander Lysdexic: FTFA: In an era of potent concern over internet pornography, cyber-bullying, and drugs, it is hard to imagine a game being controversial.

Or, for those of us who remember the moral panic every time a Bioware game gets released, it's easy.

Also, regarding that picture - that is like no game of Monopoly I have ever played.


Bioware panics are created by EA marketing to drive up awareness of their games.
 
2014-04-11 9:53:47 AM  

GentlemanJ: I cast...Magic Missile!
/Am I getting drunk yet?!


Can I have some Mountain Dew?!
 
2014-04-11 9:54:19 AM  
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2014-04-11 9:56:42 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: So, did you at least get to marry Sue your character? I mean that is what being the GMs fark thing is all about right? Why else would you fark them?


I...just...what?
 
2014-04-11 9:58:43 AM  
You guys would HATE to play D&D with me. Mainly because, floating around the depths on one of my thumb drives, I have a completely valid, playable dragon character. Ie. I can play as a dragon.

/ you may bask in my radiant glory
 
2014-04-11 9:58:53 AM  
Coke?  Coke?!   Bah, any old D&D'er worth his salt knew you drank from the 3-liter bottles of "Cola".  Bonus points if that was the *only* word on the bottle
 
2014-04-11 10:04:51 AM  

iheartscotch: You guys would HATE to play D&D with me. Mainly because, floating around the depths on one of my thumb drives, I have a completely valid, playable dragon character. Ie. I can play as a dragon.

/ you may bask in my radiant glory


Pfft.  So does everyone else that bothered reading the "monster as a PC" rules in every edition that has ever come out.  Mmmhm Not a special snowflake you are!
 
2014-04-11 10:05:30 AM  
We still play when we get the chance.  Last weekend I got to use my Squirrel-man sorcerer and clear a dungeon.

I've actually been working on learning the HERO system too.  It's pretty daunting no having someone around that's played before though.  If D&D is mathematics, then HERO is freaking calculus.  It looks great though and I'm sure flexibility will out weigh the pain it's been to learn the mechanics.
 
2014-04-11 10:07:11 AM  
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60 Minutes did a hit piece on D&D in the 80's (showing how much they were into crap journalism even back then). You Tube took down the video that I had uploaded because CBS threw a fit, but someone managed to save a copy and post it onto Live Leak, where CBS can go pound sand if they don't like it.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=445_1232224067

(stick around for the last part that I had added onto the vide, which was a CBS news segment I snagged ten years later showing one of the D&D haters being busted running a dodgy surrogate motherhood racket from his house)

Pat Pulling died of cancer in 1997. By then, all that remained of her B.A.D.D. group was just her.


Also, a great article to read is Michael Stackpole's "Pulling Report", which details the antics and shenanigans of Pat Pulling.

http://www.rpgstudies.net/stackpole/pulling_report.html

Even to this very day, police departments across the country still use the "resource material" that her group offered to determine if a crime scene was the work of a "Satanic Coven".


Former TSR rep Dieter Sturm went on to do special effects for the entertainment industry. Here is a video of an appearance he made on David Letterman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wWQKWFFzEo
 
2014-04-11 10:11:35 AM  

TV's Vinnie: [i2.wp.com image 598x454]

60 Minutes did a hit piece on D&D in the 80's (showing how much they were into crap journalism even back then). You Tube took down the video that I had uploaded because CBS threw a fit, but someone managed to save a copy and post it onto Live Leak, where CBS can go pound sand if they don't like it.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=445_1232224067

(stick around for the last part that I had added onto the vide, which was a CBS news segment I snagged ten years later showing one of the D&D haters being busted running a dodgy surrogate motherhood racket from his house)

Pat Pulling died of cancer in 1997. By then, all that remained of her B.A.D.D. group was just her.


Also, a great article to read is Michael Stackpole's "Pulling Report", which details the antics and shenanigans of Pat Pulling.

http://www.rpgstudies.net/stackpole/pulling_report.html

Even to this very day, police departments across the country still use the "resource material" that her group offered to determine if a crime scene was the work of a "Satanic Coven".


Former TSR rep Dieter Sturm went on to do special effects for the entertainment industry. Here is a video of an appearance he made on David Letterman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wWQKWFFzEo


This ties with the kids who got thrown in prison for years because they were convicted of killing a kid for "satanism". The same bullshiat reporting went into the 80s "Satanism/heavy metal" scare... Add the two topics together, and you could put almost ANY parent into a case of the vapors...
 
2014-04-11 10:15:53 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Coke?  Coke?!   Bah, any old D&D'er worth his salt knew you drank from the 3-liter bottles of "Cola".  Bonus points if that was the *only* word on the bottle


Triple bonus points if the word "Cola" was preceded by "JOLT".
 
2014-04-11 10:16:17 AM  

tnpir: Slaves2Darkness: So, did you at least get to marry Sue your character? I mean that is what being the GMs fark thing is all about right? Why else would you fark them?

I...just...what?


Guess you never got to be the GM's Girlfriend then. You know the girl or guy that seems to get all the cool powers, magical items, and levels. Maybe you have never encountered this phenomenon where the current person the GM is banging gets all the goodies, but as soon as they break up ... well their shiat gets stolen, their character thrown in jail, and raped. Can't forget the rape.
 
2014-04-11 10:17:20 AM  
Mikey1969:

This ties with the kids who got thrown in prison for years because they were convicted of killing a kid for "satanism". The same bullshiat reporting went into the 80s "Satanism/heavy metal" scare... Add the two topics together, and you could put almost ANY parent into a case of the vapors...

Yep. The West Memphis Three. Wouldn't be surprised if Pat Pulling's "guidebooks" helped influence the investigation as well as the Prosecution. Mike Huckabee was Governor at the time, so you can imagine the Living Hell he put those kids through in Death Row because Jesus.

Last I heard, the WMT were finally released a few years ago thanks to public pressure and a deal made where the state didn't have to accept liability for a witch hunt but won't put them to death either. I sure hope Damien (not a good name to have in the batsh*t fundie South) got as far away from the South as soon as he was released.
 
2014-04-11 10:21:03 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: tnpir: Slaves2Darkness: So, did you at least get to marry Sue your character? I mean that is what being the GMs fark thing is all about right? Why else would you fark them?

I...just...what?

Guess you never got to be the GM's Girlfriend then. You know the girl or guy that seems to get all the cool powers, magical items, and levels. Maybe you have never encountered this phenomenon where the current person the GM is banging gets all the goodies, but as soon as they break up ... well their shiat gets stolen, their character thrown in jail, and raped. Can't forget the rape.


Ah. I see.

No, she wasn't my girlfriend.  More of a FWB in addition to being the Dungeon Master.
 
2014-04-11 10:22:03 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: tnpir: Slaves2Darkness: So, did you at least get to marry Sue your character? I mean that is what being the GMs fark thing is all about right? Why else would you fark them?

I...just...what?

Guess you never got to be the GM's Girlfriend then. You know the girl or guy that seems to get all the cool powers, magical items, and levels. Maybe you have never encountered this phenomenon where the current person the GM is banging gets all the goodies, but as soon as they break up ... well their shiat gets stolen, their character thrown in jail, and raped. Can't forget the rape.


Whenever  a couple would skip the games that we played in high school we would  kill off their characters and harvest them. The guy's skull often would become a codpiece and the girl would be turned into a wine skin.
 
2014-04-11 10:25:11 AM  

TV's Vinnie: Mikey1969:

This ties with the kids who got thrown in prison for years because they were convicted of killing a kid for "satanism". The same bullshiat reporting went into the 80s "Satanism/heavy metal" scare... Add the two topics together, and you could put almost ANY parent into a case of the vapors...

Yep. The West Memphis Three. Wouldn't be surprised if Pat Pulling's "guidebooks" helped influence the investigation as well as the Prosecution. Mike Huckabee was Governor at the time, so you can imagine the Living Hell he put those kids through in Death Row because Jesus.

Last I heard, the WMT were finally released a few years ago thanks to public pressure and a deal made where the state didn't have to accept liability for a witch hunt but won't put them to death either. I sure hope Damien (not a good name to have in the batsh*t fundie South) got as far away from the South as soon as he was released.


Yeah, I think I caught something about 2 years ago, ironically right after I came across the book for the first time. These goddam "Satanism experts" would be funny if they didn't cause so much harm with their made up bullshiat. The best is the chick on Decline of Western Civilization, Part II who talks about "de-metaling" kids and how the 'Devil Horns' gesture has 3 sixes made by the fingers. Dumb farking people who don't bother to actually study what they proclaim themselves to be experts in.
 
2014-04-11 10:25:31 AM  
Attack the Gazebo!
 
2014-04-11 10:29:49 AM  

iheartscotch: You guys would HATE to play D&D with me. Mainly because, floating around the depths on one of my thumb drives, I have a completely valid, playable dragon character. Ie. I can play as a dragon.


So do I.  But my dragon is twice the size of yours.
 
2014-04-11 10:32:45 AM  
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Arbitrarily killing off a character was a common occurrence, with the rest of the gaming group immediately ostracizing the player, who could never return.


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Of course, "dungeon masters" would rely upon the tactic of ostracizing players in order to "weed out" those unsuitable for being inducted into the inner circle, where real magic was taught:


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Moreover, "Elfstar" is a very appropriate and suitable name for a character in a Dungeons & Dragons setting, and is not at all lame and stupid.
 
2014-04-11 10:37:01 AM  
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2014-04-11 10:40:36 AM  
 
2014-04-11 10:41:23 AM  
TV's Vinnie:


Also, a great article to read is Michael Stackpole's "Pulling Report", which details the antics and shenanigans of Pat Pulling.

http://www.rpgstudies.net/stackpole/pulling_report.html

More commonly the choice of a name for a character is the result of a joke in the gaming group or a matter of pure expediency. In a fantasy game the author once named a character 'Waring-blender'because he was in the kitchen when filling out the character sheet. The similarity between Darren Molitor's Sammy Sager and the popular musician Sammy Hagar suggests a similar origin there. Another player of the author's acquaintance, because his friends claim he always plays himself, no matter what game is going on, names many of his characters with some variation of his own name.


LOL, I had a character that I had decided was a Japanese warrior. Dual-wield with a katana and wakisashi. I didn't even get a chance to name him before I had to miss a night, and they ran my character. Unfortunately the strongest character got charmed and took me out(as the second strongest character). It was a pretty brutal attack, apparently. I would have been a pile so slush, so I decided to name the character 'Slushi', as in half slushie, half sushi(The Japanese character)... Everyone's name was an inside joke.
 
DuX
2014-04-11 10:41:48 AM  
The Gazebo takes 1D4+1 damage. It still does not appear to have noticed the party.
 
2014-04-11 10:44:41 AM  
Cola?  Jolt?  In our group if it wasn't colored piss yellow we didn't drink it.

We did make mixtures of nasty tasting stuff for those who wanted to use potions.  They would have to drink it if they actually wanted to use a potion.
 
2014-04-11 10:57:35 AM  
Currently playing a beguilier after playing a paladin for a long time.

I still prefer to play it in the more "good" side of the alignment, but I've been enjoying playing a conman so far...
 
2014-04-11 10:59:48 AM  

Weaver95: i'm all about pathfinder and eclipse phase these days anyway.  mind you, shadowrun had its time in the sun, as did (weirdly enough) earthdawn.  then there was the glory that was Vampire the Masquerade and it's siblings, Mage and Werewolf.  all great games indeed.  But...alas...D&D has become a pale shadow of itself.


My preferences are for Call of Cthulhu, Warhammer Fantasy RPG (2nd or 3rd ed), and Numenera. D&D has turned into tactical miniatures, for which there are better games.
 
2014-04-11 11:00:31 AM  
Telengard Rules!
 
2014-04-11 11:12:06 AM  

Raug the Dwarf: We still play when we get the chance.  Last weekend I got to use my Squirrel-man sorcerer and clear a dungeon.

I've actually been working on learning the HERO system too.  It's pretty daunting no having someone around that's played before though.  If D&D is mathematics, then HERO is freaking calculus.  It looks great though and I'm sure flexibility will out weigh the pain it's been to learn the mechanics.


Damn, I started playing D&D back in '81. I feel ANCIENT. The game mechanics always kind of annoyed me, though, especially because once you got to a certain level you were just too powerful to have any fun anymore.

I like HERO a lot. GURPS is fantastic for total flexibility, but HERO allows the kind of obsessive precision in character design that I lust for. Because damn it, I want an ability to work EXACTLY the way I envisioned it, and attach the EXACT side effects (both good and bad), and have it all play out in-game.

Alas, I was edged out of my last HERO group because another player's wife didn't like me, and while I had a fantastic GURPS group back in California, I had to quit after a few years when they went from perfectly reasonable 4-6 hour sessions to 12+ hour marathons every single week. When I moved to the UK earlier this year, I left all my gaming books behind. I figured that as a 47-year-old woman, chances of finding a group I'd want to join in rural Derbyshire were not so great.

Sigh. Good times.
 
2014-04-11 11:12:24 AM  
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Jeremy Iron's best role
 
2014-04-11 11:22:55 AM  
Go indie!


Apocalypse World, and it's various hacks (e.g. Dungeon World), is where it's at!

Well, at least for me...

/survivor of the Edition Wars
//roll for initiative!
///Lady Blackbird, anyone?
 
2014-04-11 11:24:36 AM  

Vorral: GentlemanJ: I cast...Magic Missile!
/Am I getting drunk yet?!

Can I have some Mountain Dew?!


Because if there are any girls there I WANT TO DO THEM!
 
2014-04-11 11:26:00 AM  

La Maudite: Raug the Dwarf: We still play when we get the chance.  Last weekend I got to use my Squirrel-man sorcerer and clear a dungeon.

I've actually been working on learning the HERO system too.  It's pretty daunting no having someone around that's played before though.  If D&D is mathematics, then HERO is freaking calculus.  It looks great though and I'm sure flexibility will out weigh the pain it's been to learn the mechanics.

Damn, I started playing D&D back in '81. I feel ANCIENT. The game mechanics always kind of annoyed me, though, especially because once you got to a certain level you were just too powerful to have any fun anymore.

I like HERO a lot. GURPS is fantastic for total flexibility, but HERO allows the kind of obsessive precision in character design that I lust for. Because damn it, I want an ability to work EXACTLY the way I envisioned it, and attach the EXACT side effects (both good and bad), and have it all play out in-game.

Alas, I was edged out of my last HERO group because another player's wife didn't like me, and while I had a fantastic GURPS group back in California, I had to quit after a few years when they went from perfectly reasonable 4-6 hour sessions to 12+ hour marathons every single week. When I moved to the UK earlier this year, I left all my gaming books behind. I figured that as a 47-year-old woman, chances of finding a group I'd want to join in rural Derbyshire were not so great.

Sigh. Good times.



I know what you mean.  We went from 3-4 days a week, 4-5 hour sessions to playing whenever we could fit it in on the weekends between work, family, on-call schedules, etc.  And we played all kinds of systems.  Shadowrun, Palladium and RIFTS, D&D, Star Wars d20.  

One of my favorite authors just had his series released as a HERO system genre book so I had to pick it up.  I'm crazy intrigued, but it's taken me a while to wrap my head around character creation.  I think once I get that figured out, the mechanics bits will be a lot easier.  I've been practicing building a few basic powers.  Very intensive, but I think the system will be really rewarding.
 
2014-04-11 11:29:39 AM  
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2014-04-11 11:33:44 AM  
Hey guys, I found this artifact called "The Head of Vecna"...
 
2014-04-11 11:39:35 AM  

Stile4aly: Vorral: GentlemanJ: I cast...Magic Missile!
/Am I getting drunk yet?!

Can I have some Mountain Dew?!

Because if there are any girls there I WANT TO DO THEM!


I'm attacking the darkness!!!
 
2014-04-11 11:47:19 AM  

MilesTeg: Thanks Al Gore

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I seem to remember a lot of "F**k You, Tipper" at the various concerts of my youth.
 
2014-04-11 11:53:52 AM  
<i>Pulling described D&D as "a fantasy role-playing game which uses demonology, witchcraft, voodoo, murder, rape, blasphemy, suicide, assassination, insanity, sex perversion, homosexuality, prostitution, satanic type rituals, gambling, barbarism, cannibalism, sadism, desecration, demon summoning, necromantics, divination and other teachings". </i>

Best. DM. Evar.
 
2014-04-11 12:04:59 PM  

Raug the Dwarf: One of my favorite authors just had his series released as a HERO system genre book so I had to pick it up.  I'm crazy intrigued, but it's taken me a while to wrap my head around character creation.  I think once I get that figured out, the mechanics bits will be a lot easier.  I've been practicing building a few basic powers.  Very intensive, but I think the system will be really rewarding.


Aaron Allston, by any chance? His was the group I got edged out of. That guy is one hell of a GM. It was a privilege to game with him even briefly. I always thought his Doc Sidhe books would make a great gaming world. Not to mention they were steampunk before steampunk was cool.
 
2014-04-11 12:06:27 PM  

La Maudite: Raug the Dwarf: One of my favorite authors just had his series released as a HERO system genre book so I had to pick it up.  I'm crazy intrigued, but it's taken me a while to wrap my head around character creation.  I think once I get that figured out, the mechanics bits will be a lot easier.  I've been practicing building a few basic powers.  Very intensive, but I think the system will be really rewarding.

Aaron Allston, by any chance? His was the group I got edged out of. That guy is one hell of a GM. It was a privilege to game with him even briefly. I always thought his Doc Sidhe books would make a great gaming world. Not to mention they were steampunk before steampunk was cool.


Oh. Apparently not. He seems to have died a couple of weeks back.

Damn. That sucks. I knew his health was really bad, but I thought he had a few more years in him yet.
 
2014-04-11 12:15:11 PM  

Mikey1969: LOL, I had a character that I had decided was a Japanese warrior. Dual-wield with a katana and wakisashi. I didn't even get a chance to name him before I had to miss a night, and they ran my character. Unfortunately the strongest character got charmed and took me out(as the second strongest character). It was a pretty brutal attack, apparently. I would have been a pile so slush, so I decided to name the character 'Slushi', as in half slushie, half sushi(The Japanese character)... Everyone's name was an inside joke.


A game I played a few years back featured me playing an evil wizard who started with 18 intellect...named Smash Smash.  He turned evil and spread death throughout the world because so many people made fun of his name.

I depopulated several decent sized towns before that game ended...

My favorite game ever, though, was playing a Paladin...which made the GM cringe until he realized that, somehow, I was very good at it...probably since it's opposite my personality.  Every session, I played the character in a way that was deliberately trying to get the party killed...and somehow we just survived by sheer madness the entire time.  I would charge into rooms filled with werewolves, because fark it.  Temple of an evil deity?  I'm pretty sure I can kick in the door, demand their surrender and immediate conversion to the deities of light, and murderboner my way through anything evil that attacked me as a result.  I cut a swath of holy justice across an entire campaign, and eventually had not only a weapon, but an entire suit of armor that constantly glowed with bright, white light, and you have no idea how much that pissed off the rogues in the party.  I caught those same rogues stealing multiple times while in town and turned them in for it (Paladins, fark them).  Every time the GM would try to kill me off, I would roll natural 20's and crit my way to victory.  I killed a Shoggoth.  Alone.

The GM finally just gave up and surrendered, and that same Paladin occasionally gets featured as an NPC Lord Commander in various campaigns, whenever we need someone both good and utterly ridiculous to help move the story along...
 
Oak
2014-04-11 12:17:43 PM  

La Maudite: Raug the Dwarf: We still play when we get the chance.  Last weekend I got to use my Squirrel-man sorcerer and clear a dungeon.


Damn, I started playing D&D back in '81. I feel ANCIENT. The game mechanics always kind of annoyed me, though, especially because once you got to a certain level you were just too powerful to have any fun anymore.


We're at that stage now.  Our DM hands out additional powers like Halloween candy, and hasn't grappled with the issue of the 3.5 mechanics themselves making characters overpowered at high levels anyway.  Party tactics have gone right out the window; we just walk on things.  The guy works like a madman on his game; he really loves DMing and does a great job on several levels, but this is a little bit of a failing.  Is anyone aware of a persuasive and math-light argument that's not behind a paywall that might help him tweak things a bit?
 
2014-04-11 12:17:44 PM  
Also, I smiled when I saw Michael Stackpole's name attached to this.  I've always thought he was a great author, but I'd never heard of his involvement in the D&D Scare.  Moved him up another notch in my mind.
 
2014-04-11 12:18:48 PM  
No way that my little snowflake was batshiat crazy. It was all that (Song, Movie, Society, Game, Anything but my religions) fault.
 
2014-04-11 12:24:27 PM  

Oak: La Maudite: Raug the Dwarf: We still play when we get the chance.  Last weekend I got to use my Squirrel-man sorcerer and clear a dungeon.


Damn, I started playing D&D back in '81. I feel ANCIENT. The game mechanics always kind of annoyed me, though, especially because once you got to a certain level you were just too powerful to have any fun anymore.

We're at that stage now.  Our DM hands out additional powers like Halloween candy, and hasn't grappled with the issue of the 3.5 mechanics themselves making characters overpowered at high levels anyway.  Party tactics have gone right out the window; we just walk on things.  The guy works like a madman on his game; he really loves DMing and does a great job on several levels, but this is a little bit of a failing.  Is anyone aware of a persuasive and math-light argument that's not behind a paywall that might help him tweak things a bit?


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