WTFDYW: Elegy: Also not surprised hardinparamedic wants people to keep smoking. If he doesn't have sick people to help, where will his smug sense of self-importance and superiority come from?It runs naturally with his type. Have an ex sister in law and her husband who do what Hardonparamedic does. You can't farking stand to be around them for more than a few minutes. The smugness, the superiority and general disdain for us unwashed masses make you want to punch them both right in the mouth.
hardinparamedic: Because, in the end, that's what it is
hardinparamedic: All snark aside, can you link to those studies? I'd be genuinely interested in their quality, impact, and source publication.
Elegy: Ecigs are just another way for big tobacco to hook you
hardinparamedic: sjcousins: He's more of a fedora-wearing, brony, nurse but yeah, probably the best course of action.I'm not your mother last night.Men have been murdered for less horrendous accusations, Sir. The Holocaust was established on less offensive pretenses.
wavion: sjcousins: wavion: I honestly don't give a fark what other people put in their own bodies. But, as a PSA, the vast majority of smoking-related illness/death isn't lung cancer/emphysema/etc. It's heart disease caused from years of stimulant use (nicotine). e-cigs won't prevent your heart attack. On the other hand, as a non-smoker, I love e-cigs, since I don't have to breathe other people's smoke - I really appreciate the courtesy. So, yeah, good luck with that.The studies that claim nicotine damages the heart do so based on observation of a symptom linked to a disease. E.g. nicotine causes increased blood pressure which is linked to cardiovascular damage therefore nicotine use over long periods could increase risk of heart disease. Meanwhile, long term studies on users of nrt, snus, snuff etc have found no difference in cardiovascular problems between users and non users. Your ecig may not prevent your heart attack, but I'll bet it won't contribute to it.Overworking your heart over a long period of time by whatever means (obesity, stimulants, etc) leads to premature heart failure/heart attacks/etc. This is basic science and common sense.
hjy6: Enigmamf: hjy6: That "oil" (which is used in hospitals) is FDA approved so there's thatFDA approved for nebulized inhalation?yes and used in smoke machines at the Disco
vygramul: Eddy Gurge: [CSB]Smoked 1-2 packs a day for 35 years. Had my last Marlboro on January 30'th of this year after a scare with pneumonia from some strange bacterial infection. I love(d) smoking and knew I'd never quit. While in the hospital (for a week) I had my wife bring me a couple of the Blu cigs from 7-11 (used them in the bathroom in my room). I was pleased enough with them that I had her get me a Halo starter kit for my return home. There's been no looking back. Currently puffing on an iTaste 134 mini with a Kanger Aero Tank. I'm not going back, and I don't hack and cough any more. Oh, and I can breath, smell and taste. Screw the ALA.[/CSB]I'd be fine if eCigs would let people know what chemicals they're using. DEG causes kidney failure and was found in some eCigs. I'm all for people putting things in their bodies... so long as they know what they're putting in their bodies. The Free Market can only work with information available to everyone in the transaction.
hjy6: That "oil" (which is used in hospitals) is FDA approved so there's that
log_jammin: rbuzby: Is E-Cigs just vaping tobacco? That would be better than smoking it.No I do not want to do any research. I have my own crap to deal with.no tobacco. just nicotine.
Cagey B: Adolf Oliver Nipples: So I guess we should just ban them.I like how anyone saying anything negative about Our Sainted e-Cigs is in favor of banning them, even though no one has said that. You're one of those people who think being criticized is a violation of your right to free speech, aren't you?
vygramul: I'd be fine if eCigs would let people know what chemicals they're using. DEG causes kidney failure and was found in some eCigs. I'm all for people putting things in their bodies... so long as they know what they're putting in their bodies. The Free Market can only work with information available to everyone in the transaction.
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