assjuice: If you're not an MD you shouldn't be called 'doctor'. And in this day and age you shouldn't expect much respect from any student you aren't providing an assistantship to.
HotWingAgenda: I don't blame Dr. Gulliver for being annoyed; I myself feel rankled when someone who knows full well I have an earned doctorate refers to my male peers as "Professor" or "Doctor" yet calls me "Ms. Schuman." It happens all the time, and I often hear a sneer in the "izzzzz."Oh, for f*ck's sake.
August11: I really think Slate is just trolling us. I read half the article. At that point I realized that it was discussing a group of people who need therapy for what happened to them early in life.When a student calls me "Mister," I do not correct the student because I am focused on his or her concern or idea or question. Maybe those teachers in the article would have a better position at university if they focused on the important things./professor//tenured///you can call me Steve if you like
Langdon_777: Pretty sure most of her students are over 18 and no one should call an adult anything but their first name.Unless if they are in an inferior position to them, eg. military, etc. I would never call my boss's by anything but their first name, I am not their servant.She complains too much.
van1ty: If you aren't a medical doctor, you aren't a farking doctor.
Lsherm: A few months ago I started a new job at a large university and I continually have to look up email signatures or titles in our directory to get things right, and it's almost absurd because I'm not anyone's student. However, it did lead to an amusing exchange with one of my staff members who recently got his PhD. We've been trying to get a 1,200 node grid off the ground and the research chair who is first in line to use it spends most of his days harassing the staff about when it's going to be set up. My lead engineer, who I'll call Thomas, has been butting heads with the chair, who I'll call Dr. Richard Antsypants.All three of us were in the data center last week troubleshooting. I've been on a first name basis with Richard since the beginning and we're talking like we usually do. Thomas is explaining that no one can submit jobs yet because the Qlogic cards aren't working correctly and he calls Dr. Antsypants 'Richard', at which point Richard says "I'm a doctor." Without missing a beat, Thomas said "So am I, but it doesn't seem to help for this particular issue."I waited for a pissing contest to break out, but Richard laughed and now everyone is on a first name basis. Students should defer to their instructors, but outside of that relationship you have to be a real jerk to start throwing titles around. I don't make people call me Director LSherm at work and Thomas sure as hell doesn't make anyone call him Dr. Thomas. In a formal setting, like during first introductions? Sure, the title is appropriate. If you're going to be working with someone who isn't your student for an extended period of time? Be reasonable.
hardinparamedic: namatad: What's wrong with HEY F*CK HEAD?Because the moment you call your collage instructor that to your face, you'll end up hearing "I told you I wanted fries with that, asshole." for the rest of your life?
misanthropologist: August11: I really think Slate is just trolling us. I read half the article. At that point I realized that it was discussing a group of people who need therapy for what happened to them early in life.When a student calls me "Mister," I do not correct the student because I am focused on his or her concern or idea or question. Maybe those teachers in the article would have a better position at university if they focused on the important things./professor//tenured///you can call me Steve if you likeSteve,congratulations on being a tenured professor.As a non-tenure track (overworked, underpaid) faculty member at a respectable state university, I'm calling you on your sassy, privilege-filled "if they were better teachers/researchers/people, they'd be in a secure position like me." It makes you sound like that Wall Street elite who argue that anyone could have become CEO or hedge fund manager and made multi-millions per year, but most people are lazy, ignorant, farks who just want to play video games and smoke crack and that why there's wealth inequality in the world. That attitude emboldens and facilitates the administrative legions who are taking over universities and reducing (even further!) the number of tenure-track positions available for the increasing numbers of hard-working, smart, hopeful grad students who succeed in completing a PhD and dare to dream of enjoying both job security and academic freedom.Regards,misanthropologist, Ph.D.
bralanko: Take another look. The author does not advocate the elimination of PowerPoint, or addition, or hammers, or any other potentially useful tool. She recommends not misusing it.
bralanko: draypresct: bralanko: Check out the recent one about the use of PowerPoint in college classrooms (sorry I don't know how to link to it), which is clever, humorous, and right on target.She tries to show that a tool is bad by mis-using the tool. She supports her opinions with no data. It's as clever and on-target as someone who insists that hammers are bad by deliberately hammering their own thumb again and again.Her insisting that the slides should not make sense is particularly ludicrous. I shouldn't label the axes on my graph because I'll mention them during my presentation? That makes my talk a way to punish people for spending a few seconds thinking about what I'm saying, not a way to communicate.Thanks for the tip re: posting links. I think her article is clever and it made me smile. This sort of piece doesn't call for "data," but the reason I liked it so much is that I've seen firsthand so many examples of precisely the type of PowerPoint abuse she cites. You haven't, I guess?
MythDragon: Met someone at some Christmas party where I didn't know anyoneMe: Hi, Mr Lastname. Nice to meet you.Ass: Actualy it's 'Doctor'Me: Are you in internal medicine or surgery?Ass: I'm not that kind of doctor. I am a doctor of arts.Me: So...you like...heal paintings?Ass: ...No. I study them.Me: And I should call you doctor because...?Ass: I earned it.Me:Yeah? Well, tell you what. As soon as you start calling me Staff Sergeant, I'll call you by your title.Ass: You're not in uniform.Me: Neither are you.Then it was time to find a drink.
Danger Mouse: Langdon_777: Pretty sure most of her students are over 18 and no one should call an adult anything but their first name.Unless if they are in an inferior position to them, eg. military, etc. I would never call my boss's by anything but their first name, I am not their servant.She complains too much.Why do you consider that if you don't call someone by thier first name, that you're thier servant? If someone has a title, it's usually proper to address them by it unless they request you don't. The use of Sir, Miss, Ma'am is just common courtesy. I don't do it because I feel inferior to them. I do it because I try to be a gentleman. I find it strange that some people feel that showing common courtesy/respect for others is considered a sign of inferiority?
LemSkroob: "It's hard not to come off as uptight, and some students seem genuinely surprised. Other times it's clearly an attempt to rile me with some disrespect (typically coming from male students who like to undermine female authority)."Oh jesus christ. Its 2014. I doubt very much you get many males at college age that have a problem with women in charge (especially a teacher, since they've likely had female teachers since first grade).Stop looking for oppression that doesn't exist and try to not make yourself out the victim all the time. You only hurt your cause.
whizbangthedirtfarmer: As a college instructor ... but seriously, if she doesn't like them calling her something, she can establish it on the first day. I know, for some people, especially those new to teaching, that being "tough" is difficult, but starting strong and staying that way makes all of the difference. One of the newest trends I've noticed is that students are trying to call me just by my last name, with no Mr. or Dr. or anything associated with it. That got slapped down quickly."
OhioUGrad: Could just be me, but I was raised to always refer to someone by their title (if you know it, if you don't it's Mr. or Ms.), and that includes calling someone doctor ______ if they have a MD or PhD unless they ask you to address them otherwise. I had a few professors that said "you don't have to refer to me as doctor" and others that preferred to be referred to as doctor. It's up to the individual, but have respect for them and address them by their title and last name until they instruct you to do otherwise./dnrta
All Latest: "Today's first world problem"Wrong. It's a USA problem, because of their obsession with stupid titles and passive agressive "politeness". The rest of the world got rid of that crap several decades ago.
namatad: For the TA slaves?Whatever - who cares.Sucks to be them no matter what you call them.Buy them lunch and a beer and they will love you.
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