NeoAnderthal: This reminds me of Bill Clinton constantly wagging his impotent finger at Saddam Hussein. we all saw what that got us. This is exactly why liberals have the deserved reputation for being pussies on the world stage.
clancifer: NeoAnderthal: This reminds me of Bill Clinton constantly wagging his impotent finger at Saddam Hussein. we all saw what that got us. This is exactly why liberals have the deserved reputation for being pussies on the world stage.It got us not having a trillion+ spent on an unnecessary war? It got us not having 4k dead soldiers and tens of thousands wounded?
jchuffyman: My facebook has been lighting up with some more conservative friends shouting "ROMNEY WAS RIGHT" and linking that debate video where Obama laughs off Romney's idea that Russia is that greatest enemy ever of all time!!! This still hardly affects the US, especially in terms of actively threatening us, which makes this attempted reclaiming of a failed GOP candidate even more hilarious
mistrmind: He's more concerned on how he looks than on what the correct course of action should be.
qorkfiend: mistrmind: pup.socket: Actually, there is a lot Obama and the US can do about it that doesn't involve military action.Thank you for the biggest laugh I've had all day.You believe the only options are "Invade now" or "do nothing"?
QU!RK1019: Zeppelininthesky: Consult with one another if questions arise regarding these commitments.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assuran ce sThis is what we are doing right now. Doing anything other than this would be stupid. I am glad Obama is the adult in the room and people like you are not in charge.ongbok: hat is not a treaty, and read my post earlier where I posted our obligations under that agreement. Obligations that we are now honoring.Good job FARKERS! You are FARKERS!/it's times like these when you wished assholes like SunsetLamenthad a soul, would ponder the facts presented to him, and adjust his worldview accordingly.
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Tyee: Obama has all but made the US irrelevant on the world stage in only five years. He commands such little respect internationally theses days. The silver lining is we don't need to be involved, that is, other than our NATO obligations...
DamnYankees: Skleenar: DamnYankees: There are interesting NATO implications given Putin's actions. Putin has made it clear that he considers it his right to use military force to defend "Russiasn", as he sees them. That's what happened in Georgia, its whats happening in Ukraine. Neither of those countries are in NATO. But there are countries in NATO which have Russian minorities - Poland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania most obviously. What happens if he starts to push there?I am pretty sure that the Kremlin arithmetic changes for those countries. Nor do they seem as important to the Russians in an economic and defense sense as Ukraine.Changes, sure. I mean, I would imagine Russia is less likely to attach Latvia than Ukraine. But that doesn't mean the chances move to 0.
Tyee: ongbok: Tyee: Obama has all but made the US irrelevant on the world stage in only five years. He commands such little respect internationally theses days. The silver lining is we don't need to be involved, that is, other than our NATO obligations...There isn't any NATO obligations because Ukraine isn't a NATO member, And with that being said there is no need to address the rest of your post, because your whole NATO obligations.....http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/02/28/ukraine-appeals-us-uk- so vereigntyYour right it's the UK and USA obligations. Now feel free to address the rendering of irrelevance Obama has bestowed on the USA. Don't bother, please just continue to defend his ineptitude, it suits you better ignoring the obvious.
mistrmind: Have you ever formed an opinion on your own? Or do you just have it spoon fed?
Tyee: grumpfuff: Yes, tell us about your extensive travelsEurope last year, S. America this year. You basing your opinion on what the party tells you or are you just oblivious?
QU!RK1019: Isitoveryet:No lash batter can withstand the Putin baby batter.
Skleenar: danknerd: Because Ukraine gave up their nukes for protection by the U.S. (and others), if the U.S. doesn't honor the treaty, the U.S.It's not a treaty.[www.palmtalk.org image 602x375]According to the memorandum, Russia, the US, and the UK confirmed, in recognition of Ukraine becoming party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and in effect abandoning its nuclear arsenal to Russia, that they would:Respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty within its existing borders. Refrain from the threat or use of force against Ukraine.Refrain from using economic pressure on Ukraine in order to influence its politics.Seek United Nations Security Council action if nuclear weapons are used against Ukraine.Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against Ukraine.Consult with one another if questions arise regarding these commitments.
DamnYankees: Back to the actual point at hand, I think TFA is being a little too glib about what kind of consequences the West can impose. The economic damage to Russia can be substantial if the West decides to impose actual trade restrictions or sanctions. Look at the Russian stock market today - they are already being hurt quite badly.
danknerd: Because Ukraine gave up their nukes for protection by the U.S. (and others), if the U.S. doesn't honor the treaty, the U.S.
Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: pup.socket: Actually, there is a lot Obama and the US can do about it that doesn't involve military action.I'm astonished at the American media, to be honest. They're so blinkered, at this point, they really don't know what they're talking about. Military response seems to be the only thing possible, and it has to happen yesterday.
manbart: Why should the United States be obligated to intervene? If anything, the US should formerly exit NATO, what is the point of being a member anyway?Why should I care if Russia invades Crimea?
mistrmind: Superjew: Nothing brings out the freeper retard brigade like a rainy monday morning.Awwww, is your precious President just not doing it for you. Awwww. Poor baby.
mistrmind: pup.socket: Actually, there is a lot Obama and the US can do about it that doesn't involve military action.Thank you for the biggest laugh I've had all day.
WTF Indeed: The Russian economy, and therefore all of Putin's power, is based around the Oligarchs. If the West was the freeze their funds outside of the country and make it extremely hard for them to do business outside of the country, the Russian economy would crumble.
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