SkyFlyer: brimed03: SkyFlyer: Students, "at-will" or not, do not forfeit some of their constitutional rights."Students in school as well as out of school are 'persons' under our Constitution. " -- Justice Fortas, Tinker v. Des MoinesSigh. OK, here's why secondary ed law and higher ed law are not comparable: you are required by law to attend high school.You are not required to attend higher ed. You can opt to retain your constitutional freedoms by not enrolling. Again, Tinker v. DesMoines only applies to high school, and has subsequently and very specifically been ruled by the courts to have little or no application to universities.Stop citing Tinker v. DesMoines. It's like pressing the wrong keystroke over and over again: it just makes you look baqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqYou make a lot of good points. I'll try to hit them all tomorrow. For now, time to sleep. I think I still have the right to sleep as a college student per Tinker v. DesMoines, right?
worlddan: TuteTibiImperes: I think the law may not allow the school to demand guest lists for events held off campus and not run by affiliated student organizations.Sure but that is not what is at stake in this case. What is pissing the OP off is precisely the fact the the school is demanding this information in order to become an affiliated organization.BTW, here is the actual policy.http://www.scribd.com/doc/206830577/Cal-Poly-Party-Registration-Poli cyIt clearly only applies to university affiliated organizations.
TuteTibiImperes: Ikam: Also, as a public institution, this will prove problematic. Private schools can be as weird and despotic as they want depending on whether or not accept federal funding for financial aid, etc. (for frightening examples, see those weird right-wing Christian 'colleges'), but public schools? Not so much.If you read the rules, they specifically target parties thrown fraternities/sororities affiliated with the school. In exchange for being a registered student organization, they agree to abide by the school's policies.The rules apply to Kappa Alpha having a party at their frat house, not Tim and Eric throwing a shindig at their off-campus apartment.There's nothing in the rules that remotely violates federal law.
sprgrss: and 4th amendment have nothing to do with this, dudebro.
udhq: Subby needs to read the part of the first amendment about freedom of association. No students are forced to attend this college, but when they do, they choose to abide by its rules. It's no different than choosing to join a church that restricts behavior in such a way that it would be unconstitutional if the government did it.
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