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(Pajiba)   Who is the Yellow King? True Detective has been telling us all along, and we just haven't noticed. Link goes to informed theory/speculation, no spoilers   ( pajiba.com) divider line
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2014-02-24 09:56:55 AM  
2 votes:
Hart is a scumbag and deserving of everything bad that happens to him in his relationships with women, period.

Maggie shouldn't have used Rust the way she did, but she not only wanted to make sure she hurt Hart as much as she possibly could, but also to make sure that Marty would see her as "tainted" and so would leave her and the girls alone, not try to win her back like the last time. I perfectly understand her motives, and she's right that the only way Hart could be stopped was to make him not want her, but she really shouldn't have involved Cohle.

I did like the way Cohle immediately went to Hart for punishment for his part of the "sin." He let Marty hit him to pay him back for his not being strong enough to resist Maggie. He expiated his guilt and he could move on.

I also liked Cohle's arrogance in the relationship with Hart now. He says "There's no you without me." After all, Cohle's the one who finds the clues, puts the cases together, and gets the confessions and Marty's career looks good. After a while, Cohle's just done with that, especially once he hears "Yellow King" again. Notice how he makes no attempt to bring Hart in to his extra-curricular work. He merely uses Hart as cover until Hart is too farked up to provide that cover anymore and then Maggie is the last straw. Cohle has to quit so he can pursue the case, but without the resources and authority of a cop, it's taken him years to get to where he is in 2012.

I'm interested in why Cohle's bringing Marty into the case now? Is it just to find out what Marty may have told the new detectives, or is it because he recently discovered the material on Audrey? Is showing Marty that stuff to motivate him? Or is it a bit of the "You should kill yourself" sadism he shows towards people he considers beneath consideration, like Lange (Yeah, you probably got Dora killed).

There's a couple of interpretations for Marty checking his gun at the end of the episode, too.

@Confabulat -- that scene right at the beginning of the pilot, I didn't take as being Hart and Cohle. It was the killer carrying Dora to the tree then setting a fire to draw attention. "This field wasn't due to be fired yet" is what caught the farmer's attention to discover Dora.
2014-02-24 06:05:36 AM  
2 votes:
This episode lost me a bit.  It had none of the dread, and relatively little of the tension, of the past episodes, except for two scenes.  It felt like they were tying up a bunch of loose ends, but I'm not sure it was necessary to waste the whole episode on it.  The whole Beth storyline?  The only way that ends up being worthwhile is if she's a plant.  I bet it's her on the screen in the preview of 7 (the daughter might be too obvious).  Then again, a lot that happened in this episode was a bit too obvious...

Hope they get 7 back on track.
2014-02-22 11:19:24 PM  
2 votes:
2014-02-22 09:43:26 PM  
2 votes:
I will say this show is a fine argument for watching a show as it is broadcast on TV and having to wait a week between installments.

If it had gone the Netflix route and all 8 episodes were immediately available, I'd have probably burned through them all in one sitting. Having to wait a week makes me think about the last episode, maybe rewatch it, come up with some silly theories and then debunk them, and just let it sit and marinate in my skull until the next one. It's very satisfying.
2014-02-22 09:03:53 PM  
2 votes:
I just watched all 5 episodes in the last 24 hours. This show is a farking masterpiece. It's creepy and interesting and brilliantly acted. But so, so creepy.

I will say I don't love this theory - its a little too Hot Fuzz for me. But I like the symbolism.
2014-02-24 11:08:52 AM  
1 vote:
Rust was mad because Maggie got him to show his demon, something that he works very hard to suppress.

Also, its very clear now that every character is an accomplished liar, so do we really know them at all?
2014-02-24 08:40:33 AM  
1 vote:
It's just a really, really good show. I'm not going to waste energy  trying to out think it, I'm just going to let it take me on the ride.
2014-02-24 04:51:50 AM  
1 vote:

RoyHobbs22: aiiee: ItchyMcDoogle: I think all signs lead to Hart. Even if he is not in on it there is someone in his inner circle who is ( Wife and/or Stepfather). I think when we find out why his oldest Daughter has been messed up in the head up since the get go we will find out who is the Yellow King. I think Harts wife knows more then she lets on.

I don't think Rust has anything to do with it and is just trying to find out what the heck is going on and who the killers are. But then agian Rust is majorly farked up( Hallucinations, Heavy Drug Use when undercover and pill popper in the early episodes, Very farked up former home life and work life when he worked narco),. Id be really surprised if it turns out Rust had anything to do with it. But still the guy has deep issues.

Im both bummed that there are only 3 episodes left but I want to see them dammit. But I agree its nice to have a week to chew on the episodes since they give you so much to think on

Great Show I hope it finishes off great that has me the most worried is how it will end

Holy crap, I forgot all about the daughter's Barbie/Ken dolls and the drawings.   That ties in with her behavior as a teen. She was raped as a child but somehow survived and didn't tell anyone about it, because it was Marty, her Dad, who she loved, who turned her over to the rapists.

No farking way.

Grandpa maybe?  I'm going to go back and watch the lake house scene.

The problem with it not being Marty is he's the only adult who sees the Barbie see and he just kind of shakes his head and walks away. When he addressed the pictures she drew at school it was at his wife's urging and she was aggravated because he was more interested in watching the game. As a cop -- even a 'murder cop' -- one would think he would jump in these as clues that something may have happened to his daughter.
2014-02-23 11:27:11 AM  
1 vote:
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You might go mad from the revelation

/for shame, Farkers.
2014-02-23 09:23:59 AM  
1 vote:

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: No, I wouldn't call it mainstream, not at all.  That average TV watchers are learning about it and you're getting articles in magazines?  That's entirely new for the Chalmers stuff.

Eh, everyone's familiar with the core elements -- sinister supernatural forces up every tree, things man was not meant to know, writings that drive the reader mad, etc.  It was a major plot or setting element in basically every third movie made in the '70s, and yes I'm including the porn.  Chalmers was mostly riffing on Bierce, too, and he's not exactly an obscure literary figure either.

The only reason you didn't see it in the 80s and 90s is that horror and pulp literature in general kinda got comics-coded out of existence in the '80s and the attempt to revive it in the 90s was so far up its own ass that the geometry qualified it as an outer god in itself until we got back into the swing of it (or rather picked up where we'd left off) in the early '00s.

// Requiring that everyone be able to list off individual Mythos writers and characters as a prerequisite for it being main-stream is a bit like saying War and Peace isn't a well-known and influential part of western literature because the average person cant' list all eleventy billion characters by heart.
2014-02-23 09:09:37 AM  
1 vote:
I like the theory presented in the link - but I'm very intrigued by the Marty speculations and supporting evidence into it.  Seems like it's just 'TOO' obvious for Chole to be YK - his oddness from everyone around him makes him an easy frame, but I just don't see it.

Random notes:

- HBO is taking an American Horror Story route with this series, and 1.) this is awesome, and 2.)  I just hope they don't go with the shiatty endings AHS seems intent on.  The story seems far to intricate for them to drop the ball with it like AHS does. (Can anyone explain the farking Aliens from AHS: Asylum....anyone?)  But I am wondering what happened to drive Cohle to the sad life he clearly seems to be living.

- McConaughey needs to give a big, giant fat raise to whoever is picking scripts for him:  He really has turned out phenomenal work over the past few years.  And unless the Dern 'deserves it for longevity' vote reigns supreme, The Oscar this year is MM's to lose (He really does blow the doors off - as does Leto.)

- TD should mop the floor for mini series Emmies:  Aside from acting - the makeup people have managed to make MM look....invisible. (Present day Chole looks so non-descript he's very 'ignorable':  Having seen MM in person....that guy is dropping your jaw with his physical perfection and billion dollar grin.)  Thank GOD it's an anthology, so should easily fit into the mini series like AHS does - because NOTHING will beat Cranston/BB in drama this year...and MM deserves every award they can throw at him for his stellar work.

- I heard the WoW Chest Thump was something MM does to get into character, Scorsese loved it, and it was added to that scene - and it was awesome!  (Honestly, MM's 5 minutes in WoW was 10 times more memorable and better than Cooper's work in American Hustle...but felating AH seems to be some weird bender Hollywood is on....but MM could have easily taken Cooper's supporting actor slot with his part in WoW and I wouldn't have been the least bit disappointed.  And, before anyone says it was too short - Dench did win for what...7 minutes of screen time in Shakespeare in Love?)
2014-02-23 08:59:45 AM  
1 vote:

Lsherm: Counties in Louisiana are called parishes.

true dat.  I want to say in a pull-back shot they showed the marquis for the schools and it was a "St. somethingsoranother" - an instantly identifiable catholic name.  but that could be my imagination.

also, here's a couple of pics I yanked off of Paste supporting marty being the killer:
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the spiral (flat circle) in the kitchen

here's the link  - worth a read

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2014/02/the-true-detective-wee k- five-nerd-out.html
2014-02-23 08:52:57 AM  
1 vote:

elvisaintdead: vygramul: I thought it was a Christian or Catholic school. Isn't that where they visited early on and a guy on a riding mower was there?

it was a Catholic school - the guy on the mower said he was sent by the parish to cut the grass

which also means he probably has a pretty good idea of what is going on in the building if he visits every few weeks and inspects the propery

I think it was a public school.   Counties in Louisiana are called parishes.
2014-02-23 08:46:30 AM  
1 vote:

MutantMotherMouse: vygramul: DamnYankees: vygramul: That was a great scene. I've never been a particular fan of McConaughey, but he's farking great in this and that scene is just an example of it.

You been watching him the last few years? He's turned into one of the best actors alive right now. Mud, Magic Mike, The Wolf of Wall Street are all farking great performances. He's also supposedly great in Killer Joe and Dallas Buyers Club but I haven't seen those.

Was Mud good? I was tempted by the reviews.

Mud is awesome. MM plays dark & tortured at its finest. The kid actors were surprising good too (take note kid who plays Carl).

I'm still thinking Marty but never picked up on the photo or the can men. The Barbie thing has always bothered me. Just frigging creepy. So now I'm thinking Marty and the boys get along better than they lead on. I don't know about Tuttle. But I think Marty is key and his daughter is actin out because of what she knows about her dad. She made a comment about not looking like he wants women to
look. Sounds like a jab at his affair but maybe it's more sinister.

See, I think Marty is clueless and that Maggie's dad is in the group, if not the King in Yellow. How many times has Marty said "the answer is right in front on me but I could not see it?" I think that he still has not figured it out but, to me, hints that it is close to him. That explains the Barbie rape scene and the dirty pictures drawn at school. Add in her acting out in high school and I feel she has to been exposed to the group but I just do not think it was Marty based on his reactions to both incidents.
2014-02-23 07:32:27 AM  
1 vote:

elguerodiablo: What do you guys think came out of this?

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another flat circle - like the beer can Rust crushes, and the spiral tattoos, and the new style lenses on the cameras they are being taped with in the interviews.
everything is repeating itself, even at the site of their 1st body, and not a damn thing can be done to stop it.
2014-02-23 02:03:49 AM  
1 vote:

DamnYankees: What do people make of the plot significance of the last scene of the most recent episode, with Rust going through the church and then finding all those devil catchers. What this supposed to be a plot twist? I was confused what we were supposed to think that meant, narratively.

Devil Traps can be used as wards or as spell amplifiers.  I just took it to show that a ritual had taken place there and to show Rust that the cult was still active.

http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/true-detective/232572/jinx-dawson-of-cove n- recognizes-devil-trap-from-hbo-s-true-detective
2014-02-23 01:38:30 AM  
1 vote:
I mentioned this in a thread about Ukraine the other day but it still amuses me so I'll type it again. The other day I was talking on the phone to my 78-year-old Ukrainian mother about the protests going on over there and she hadn't heard the first thing about it. This didn't surprise me cause my mom is 78 years old and doesn't really keep up with current events; even 30 years ago she pretty much only watched daytime soap operas and Quincy, so you know, that's my sweet old clueless mom. So I was telling her about what I knew about events in Ukraine and I said something about how history repeats itself. Mom immediately replies, "Well it's like Rust Chole said in True Detective last week, time is like a flat circle" and my mind was blown.

I was like Mom did you just drop a Rust Chole quote on me in a conversation about a completely unrelated matter? My hippest friends aren't that hippy hip!

It's made me reassess everything I thought I knew about the woman. Now I need to get her to make me a mix tape or something.
2014-02-23 01:14:44 AM  
1 vote:
2014-02-23 12:47:03 AM  
1 vote:
Is it me or has Matthew McConaughey really improved as an actor over the last few years? I used to see him as kind of a likeable but definitely one note performer but everything he's been in from Killer Joe on, he's been phenomenal.
2014-02-23 12:27:32 AM  
1 vote:

Blues_X: Blues_X: If anyone is interested, The King In Yellow for the kindle is free at Amazon.

Also, Project Gutenberg
2014-02-22 10:46:49 PM  
1 vote:

Confabulat: naughtyrev: I think we're being led to believe that Billy Lee Tuttle is the yellow king.

The detectives referenced one of the Tuttles last week when they were questioning Woody. I thought it was an odd thing to bring up.

The actor who played Billy Lee is too famous to be a bit role, so I figured early on that he was involved.
2014-02-22 10:30:04 PM  
1 vote:
My take: we're in for the ultimate setup. This isn't a police/mystery drama, this is a horror series. The spaghetti guy chasing the girl was real. Rust sees the beast and that's what changes him.
2014-02-22 10:05:33 PM  
1 vote:
You guys have it all wrong. The show is going for the ultimate twist.

The detectives know that Rust isn't the killer. In fact, they know who the killer is. That's not what they're after. This whole thing has been an investigation to get Rust and Marty on charges of filing a false police report in 1995. It ends with the two of them getting busted for that.
2014-02-22 09:57:47 PM  
1 vote:
I'm still amazed and grateful they somehow got these 2 incredible actors to do a show like this. It's just a pleasure. I worry though that this is not a replicable model for future seasons.
2014-02-22 09:51:48 PM  
1 vote:
One of the best scenes I've seen in a long time:  Rust and Dr girlfriend watching tv and all she does is go from channel to channel.  Not a word said but the scene spoke volumes.

Rust's nihilism seems to progress as the show goes on, him picking up bits and pieces from Ledoux and others along the way, "someone told me time is a flat circle".  Yeah Ledoux told him that.
2014-02-22 09:51:35 PM  
1 vote:
I love this farking show. I've been wondering about the beer can figures but the show is too crazy for me to speculate what they mean.
2014-02-22 09:25:29 PM  
1 vote:

vygramul: That was a great scene. I've never been a particular fan of McConaughey, but he's farking great in this and that scene is just an example of it.

You been watching him the last few years? He's turned into one of the best actors alive right now. Mud, Magic Mike, The Wolf of Wall Street are all farking great performances. He's also supposedly great in Killer Joe and Dallas Buyers Club but I haven't seen those.
2014-02-22 09:23:20 PM  
1 vote:

DamnYankees: Also, LOVE LOVE LOVE that they basically solved the crime so surprisingly soon, making me wonder "wait, what the fark are the next 4 episodes about if they already solved it?!"

And then the perp drops the name "Yellow King" and I got a chill down my spine.

That was a great scene. I've never been a particular fan of McConaughey, but he's farking great in this and that scene is just an example of it.
2014-02-22 09:06:16 PM  
1 vote:
Also, LOVE LOVE LOVE that they basically solved the crime so surprisingly soon, making me wonder "wait, what the fark are the next 4 episodes about if they already solved it?!"

And then the perp drops the name "Yellow King" and I got a chill down my spine.
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