elvisaintdead: vygramul:

Another alternative is of course that Marty actually did it - he's more farked up than Cole is.

Marty would make a much better answer. He was all farked up before the first guy, and he started slipping when his daughter became my kind of woman.

Not that I'm fully buying Marty is the guy, but here's a couple of things to ponder -
- Marty's F-I-L seems to be rich and powerful man - just the type that would be part of the group in the swamp
           doing the killings with the Yellow King
- just before he aerates Ledoux's head, the camera hung for just a beat as the two shared a glance.  Did Ledoux
           recognize Marty?  Marty could have been brought along by FIL to one of those 'meetings' down in the
           swamp
- Marty is(was) a blonde, and the only really yellow blonde (if memory serves) in the cast
- the stars on the Lone Star cans are yellow and make the can figures' heads yellow as well

DamnYankees: elvisaintdead: - Marty's F-I-L seems to be rich and powerful man - just the type that would be part of the group in the swamp
           doing the killings with the Yellow King

This is one of the reasons I really don't like the theory in TFA; it just reminds me of Hot Fuzz. This theory basically lets us propose a conspiracy theory whereby every powerful person in the storyline is part of a mass conspiracy to be in a cult? I'm not saying it can't be true, just that I don't see evidence of it, and that doesn't seem like the show I've been watching.

DamnYankees: Snapper Carr: Is it me or has Matthew McConaughey really improved as an actor over the last few years? I used to see him as kind of a likeable but definitely one note performer but everything he's been in from Killer Joe on, he's been phenomenal.

I'm not sure if he's improved his acting (he's always been good, even in stupid or bad movies), so much as he seems to have decided to just take more interesting work. Maybe he got to a point where he said "I've made enough money, now I'm interested in exploring the art more".

DamnYankees: ItchyMcDoogle: I think all signs lead to Hart. Even if he is not in on it there is someone in his inner circle who is ( Wife and/or Stepfather). I think when we find out why his oldest Daughter has been messed up in the head up since the get go we will find out who is the Yellow King. I think Harts wife knows more then she lets on.

I don't think this is it. TD so far has not shown itself to be the kind of show where they do this kind of "gotcha" twist. The family stuff is pretty straight up character drama; there's no additional explanation needed for 'why' his daughter is screwed up. They have a screwed up family. To introduce some plot line where they are actually involved in the murders would actually undermine the themes of the show.

Confabulat: I mentioned this in a thread about Ukraine the other day but it still amuses me so I'll type it again. The other day I was talking on the phone to my 78-year-old Ukrainian mother about the protests going on over there and she hadn't heard the first thing about it. This didn't surprise me cause my mom is 78 years old and doesn't really keep up with current events; even 30 years ago she pretty much only watched daytime soap operas and Quincy, so you know, that's my sweet old clueless mom. So I was telling her about what I knew about events in Ukraine and I said something about how history repeats itself. Mom immediately replies, "Well it's like Rust Chole said in True Detective last week, time is like a flat circle" and my mind was blown.

I was like Mom did you just drop a Rust Chole quote on me in a conversation about a completely unrelated matter? My hippest friends aren't that hippy hip!

It's made me reassess everything I thought I knew about the woman. Now I need to get her to make me a mix tape or something.

Confabulat: DamnYankees: What do people make of the plot significance of the last scene of the most recent episode, with Rust going through the church and then finding all those devil catchers. What this supposed to be a plot twist? I was confused what we were supposed to think that meant, narratively.


I don't think was a church, it was a Sunday School-type place. All the more reason to suspect the reverend.

Occam's Disposable Razor: gilgigamesh: DamnYankees: vygramul: True, and that actually puts a damper on this 5-cops hypothesis. That seems too easy, too.

But I think there has to be a tie-in with that photo of 5 horseman. I remember they lingered on that for a while, and never talked about it. It's such a weird photo. It can't be random.

That actually may be a red herring. Iirc that was in Eunice, LA, and that was a depiction of how they celebrate Mardi Gras there. A photo like that, odd as it may seem out of context, would actually be fairly commonplace.

I am actually from Eunice (getting a kick), and that photo was not at all odd to me. They did their homework there, it's authentic.

The scene with the abandoned church was a bit off though, no way that was shot anywhere near Eunice. Still, it's clear the writers have spent some time in the area. It's very well done.

DamnYankees: elguerodiablo: DamnYankees: What do people make of the plot significance of the last scene of the most recent episode, with Rust going through the church and then finding all those devil catchers. What this supposed to be a plot twist? I was confused what we were supposed to think that meant, narratively.

Devil Traps can be used as wards or as spell amplifiers.  I just took it to show that a ritual had taken place there and to show Rust that the cult was still active.

http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/true-detective/232572/jinx-dawson-of-cove n- recognizes-devil-trap-from-hbo-s-true-detective

So we're assuming there is a real cult now? Not just 2-3 nut jobs?

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elvisaintdead: vygramul: I thought it was a Christian or Catholic school. Isn't that where they visited early on and a guy on a riding mower was there?

it was a Catholic school - the guy on the mower said he was sent by the parish to cut the grass

which also means he probably has a pretty good idea of what is going on in the building if he visits every few weeks and inspects the propery

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: I think the key here is madness. Everyone who gets too close to the heart of the mystery goes nuts---as it is with the fictional play "The King in Yellow"

So Rust and Marty might not have been in on it from the beginning but I'd put money on at least one of them going to the dark side by the end of the season.

Lsherm: elvisaintdead: vygramul: I thought it was a Christian or Catholic school. Isn't that where they visited early on and a guy on a riding mower was there?

it was a Catholic school - the guy on the mower said he was sent by the parish to cut the grass

which also means he probably has a pretty good idea of what is going on in the building if he visits every few weeks and inspects the propery

I think it was a public school.   Counties in Louisiana are called parishes.

MutantMotherMouse: vygramul: elvisaintdead: vygramul:

Another alternative is of course that Marty actually did it - he's more farked up than Cole is.

Marty would make a much better answer. He was all farked up before the first guy, and he started slipping when his daughter became my kind of woman.

Not that I'm fully buying Marty is the guy, but here's a couple of things to ponder -
- Marty's F-I-L seems to be rich and powerful man - just the type that would be part of the group in the swamp
           doing the killings with the Yellow King
- just before he aerates Ledoux's head, the camera hung for just a beat as the two shared a glance.  Did Ledoux
           recognize Marty?  Marty could have been brought along by FIL to one of those 'meetings' down in the
           swamp
- Marty is(was) a blonde, and the only really yellow blonde (if memory serves) in the cast
- the stars on the Lone Star cans are yellow and make the can figures' heads yellow as well

To your first point, Marty's also popular. He has a lot of influence - Rust was kept on largely because of Marty's vouching for him. Marty also got a promotion while Rust only got a commendation.

Then again, why would Marty want the most meticulous outsider? Maybe Marty's trying to figure out who's gone off the cult reservation?

I don't totally buy into that either, but it's a better fit and less dissatisfying a notion than Rust.

I wonder if Marty had hoped to groom Rust for their cult.

elvisaintdead: Lsherm: Counties in Louisiana are called parishes.

true dat.  I want to say in a pull-back shot they showed the marquis for the schools and it was a "St. somethingsoranother" - an instantly identifiable catholic name.  but that could be my imagination.

also, here's a couple of pics I yanked off of Paste supporting marty being the killer:
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the spiral (flat circle) in the kitchen


here's the link  - worth a read

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2014/02/the-true-detective-wee k- five-nerd-out.html

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Slow To Return: Am I mistaken in remembering that Hart shot Ledoux before Ledoux had a chance to lay eyes on him?

BeatrixK: vygramul: Slow To Return: Am I mistaken in remembering that Hart shot Ledoux before Ledoux had a chance to lay eyes on him?

I thought Ledoux turned his head to look at him and might have got a moment to see. But considering that Cohle was yelling, "MARTY!" and these were state cops, I'd bet if Ledoux knew him, he'd have a pretty good idea who it was even without seeing.

LeDoux was on 50 kinds of God knows what at the time:  Someone that high might have difficulty recognizing themselves.  lol