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2014-02-01 12:07:57 PM  
Makes sense... their fandom draws them to the industry but doesn't necessarily mean they have the talent needed.
 
2014-02-01 03:28:44 PM  
Comic books have the same problems.

Undertalented fanboys are running he two biggest companies in the industry, writing and drawing material that would barely be passable as fanfiction.
 
2014-02-01 03:37:23 PM  
老人は雲を叫ぶ
 
2014-02-01 03:38:24 PM  
Uh. Yeah. Otaku doesn't mean the same thing in Japan as it means in the US. Article's author is dumb.
 
2014-02-01 03:39:02 PM  
That might be a wrong final particle.
 
2014-02-01 03:43:58 PM  
To clarify, because the author noted it as a  possible definition, rather than the  only operativedefinition in use. Otaku, in Japan, refers to an obsessive shut-in who is thought to be antisocial. The reason, as Miyazaki clearly states and the author ignores because he's dumb, why this is a bad thing is because those people who don't get out cannot observe people and thus their craft at drawing good characters cannot improve the way it should, in his opinion.

But the author is dumb, so he missed that. He really shouldn't be working on a site claiming to be a cultural authority when he's ascribing American definitions to Japanese terms.
 
2014-02-01 03:49:28 PM  

Leishu: To clarify, because the author noted it as a  possible definition, rather than the  only operativedefinition in use. Otaku, in Japan, refers to an obsessive shut-in who is thought to be antisocial. The reason, as Miyazaki clearly states and the author ignores because he's dumb, why this is a bad thing is because those people who don't get out cannot observe people and thus their craft at drawing good characters cannot improve the way it should, in his opinion.

But the author is dumb, so he missed that. He really shouldn't be working on a site claiming to be a cultural authority when he's ascribing American definitions to Japanese terms.


This. He's not talking about "fans of anime" or "people who like anime". Obviously people who work on anime, like anime. He's talking about the socially awkward obsessive meganerds. And not just any socially awkward obsessive meganerd, but the ones who define themselves by their "love" for anime and use it to project all their weird fetishes. farking moe and lolicon makes me sick.
 
2014-02-01 03:54:38 PM  
I'm not even that big on anime and I'm sad at how moe is destroying it.
 
2014-02-01 03:59:15 PM  
Hayao Myazaki is the alpha and omega of anime, there are none that compare. After he's gone, there will never again be good anime films.

The thing about Miyazaki's films is that they're full of heart. Sadly none of the other anime filmmakers ever figured that out...
 
2014-02-01 04:01:05 PM  
Aren't overly obsessive fans a problem in every fandom?
 
2014-02-01 04:03:48 PM  
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2014-02-01 04:15:19 PM  

Glitchwerks: Aren't overly obsessive fans a problem in every fandom?


Yes, but anime fans are extra yucky.
 
2014-02-01 04:24:10 PM  

Glitchwerks: Aren't overly obsessive fans a problem in every fandom?


To a degree. But the real danger is when a fandom lasts for too long, because eventually the industry creating the object of desire becomes full of members of the fandom. Whether it's comic books or anime, when these industries began they were naturally propelled by bright sparks of imagination. That drew consumers to them and made them successful. But they've been around for so long the people who developed and fostered these things died, and now a small subset of the consumers buying these goods, members of the fandom, are in charge. Since they're mindless fans they've enshrined the past practices and ideas and what they make is just a poor imitation of it. All they add to these industries is their own adolescent fanfiction ideas and fetishes. "I want Batman and Wonder Woman to make out. No I don't care if that doesn't make sense. I'll retcon everything." And no one gives a shiat about that crap so these things slowly die as the fandom circlejerks its way out of existence.
 
2014-02-01 04:58:43 PM  

StopLurkListen: Hayao Myazaki is the alpha and omega of anime, there are none that compare. After he's gone, there will never again be good anime films.

The thing about Miyazaki's films is that they're full of heart. Sadly none of the other anime filmmakers ever figured that out...


His movies are trite, heavy-handed, and often nonsensical. He's not the worst out there, but nowhere near the best.
 
2014-02-01 04:58:56 PM  
Well, no, that's not at all what he says, subby.

He means that the people drawing anime these days aren't aiming for a general audience...they are making it for people like themselves, and don't branch out beyond that.  I've translated anime and manga before, but I didn't particularly care for most of it, because it's clichéd and grotesquely overly exaggerated.  It has no appeal for anyone who doesn't already like that sort of thing and that's what kills something's popularity.  That's why people love Miyazaki's films...they are universal and are nothing like the genre itself.
 
2014-02-01 05:08:48 PM  

1. Put snakes on plane: StopLurkListen: Hayao Myazaki is the alpha and omega of anime, there are none that compare. After he's gone, there will never again be good anime films.

The thing about Miyazaki's films is that they're full of heart. Sadly none of the other anime filmmakers ever figured that out...

His movies are trite, heavy-handed, and often nonsensical. He's not the worst out there, but nowhere near the best.


"I come to Fark to feel better about myself."

Indeed.
 
2014-02-01 05:11:18 PM  

Foxxinnia: Glitchwerks: Aren't overly obsessive fans a problem in every fandom?

To a degree. But the real danger is when a fandom lasts for too long, because eventually the industry creating the object of desire becomes full of members of the fandom. Whether it's comic books or anime, when these industries began they were naturally propelled by bright sparks of imagination. That drew consumers to them and made them successful. But they've been around for so long the people who developed and fostered these things died, and now a small subset of the consumers buying these goods, members of the fandom, are in charge. Since they're mindless fans they've enshrined the past practices and ideas and what they make is just a poor imitation of it. All they add to these industries is their own adolescent fanfiction ideas and fetishes. "I want Batman and Wonder Woman to make out. No I don't care if that doesn't make sense. I'll retcon everything." And no one gives a shiat about that crap so these things slowly die as the fandom circlejerks its way out of existence.


90% of anything is crap, so you are always going to see terrible reimaginings of old characters and genres. New blood can always come in a put a fresh new spin on old stories, however. For example, Sherlock Holmes has recently had one brilliant moder update, one very good one with a gender flipped Watson, and a least past one entertaining new movie. Even in comics, there are classics like Batman: Year One, All-Star Superman, and Sandman that were created by fans of the original works and which provided new, fresh spins on the characters and ideas. He'll just look at how many times Shakespeare's stories have been updated, reimagined, or borrowed from by fans.
 
2014-02-01 05:19:17 PM  

optional: I'm not even that big on anime and I'm sad at how moe is destroying it.


Larry and Curly aren't doing it any favors either.
 
2014-02-01 05:34:51 PM  

Mister Peejay: optional: I'm not even that big on anime and I'm sad at how moe is destroying it.

Larry and Curly aren't doing it any favors either.


And Joe? Joe is worst of all.
 
2014-02-01 05:38:03 PM  

optional: I'm not even that big on anime and I'm sad at how moe is destroying it.


It seems like more and more stuff is about less and less. The whole "girls sit around and drink tea while being cute" thing was okay once, after that it just gets old. Penguindrum is one of the few series that seemed to break the trend.

("moe" anime for non-anime fans: Imagine Joss Whedon series with all River Tams and Dawns, but no Zoes or Buffys, and certainly no Cordelias.)
 
2014-02-01 05:43:35 PM  

optional: I'm not even that big on anime and I'm sad at how moe is destroying it.


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Not impressed.
 
2014-02-01 05:47:00 PM  
I've heard his films described as "feminist", which would be a more compelling argument if his films didn't have quite so many little girl panties, frankly. I wonder if he listened to the collected works of R. Kelly when he sketched? Kiki's Delivery Service seemed to be about children's underwear in spots. But not spotted underwear.

/yes, I may be trollin'
 
2014-02-01 05:47:50 PM  
Meanwhile in Southern Texas, we have another problem.

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Crow: "Texans!"
 
2014-02-01 05:48:19 PM  

Glitchwerks: Aren't overly obsessive fans a problem in every fandom?


Do bronies hijack threads that have nothing to do with them?
 
2014-02-01 05:49:05 PM  
A series of screen captures from an interview given by Miyazaki was recently posted on  Japanese website Golden Times.


It's a website about pee and sex, isn't it? I mean, come on... this is a Japanese website we're talking about here, so don't pretend it's out of the question!
 
2014-02-01 05:50:38 PM  

bborchar: Well, no, that's not at all what he says, subby.

He means that the people drawing anime these days aren't aiming for a general audience...they are making it for people like themselves, and don't branch out beyond that.  I've translated anime and manga before, but I didn't particularly care for most of it, because it's clichéd and grotesquely overly exaggerated.  It has no appeal for anyone who doesn't already like that sort of thing and that's what kills something's popularity.  That's why people love Miyazaki's films...they are universal and are nothing like the genre itself.


I imagine a good deal of the problem is the way anime is priced in Japan. Anime studios make no money from TV broadcasts, so all of their income comes from DVDs/BDs. Each disk typically contain 2 episodes, and costs about $80. For a 13 episode series, you're going to get 6/7 disks, for a total of about $560. The only people who are going to pay that price are the crazy otaku, so there's no point in catering towards others.
 
2014-02-01 05:52:53 PM  

Oysterman: Glitchwerks: Aren't overly obsessive fans a problem in every fandom?

Do bronies hijack threads that have nothing to do with them?


Not really, unless you consider one picture "hijacking".

In which case, I am now hijacking this thread and making it about Captain Picard

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2014-02-01 05:54:12 PM  

Valiente: I've heard his films described as "feminist", which would be a more compelling argument if his films didn't have quite so many little girl panties, frankly. I wonder if he listened to the collected works of R. Kelly when he sketched? Kiki's Delivery Service seemed to be about children's underwear in spots. But not spotted underwear.

/yes, I may be trollin'


It's not Japanese unless you see some panties. The thing is, it's not that Myazaki  showcase panties, they just admit they exist. And they're usually puffy bloomers. Compare that to western animation where you will never see underpants outside of a porno cartoon, or your more typical anime like "Strike Witches" which has a deliberate panty shot every 90 seconds.
 
2014-02-01 05:59:08 PM  

optional: I'm not even that big on anime and I'm sad at how moe is destroying it.


There's still good stuff being made. You just have to wade through a lot of crap to get there. I was really happy with Attack on Titan. I'm hoping it gets another season since the series didn't really wrap up in any meaningful way. I'm also still enjoying Hajime no Ippo. Plus there's the current Ghost in the Shell movie series still going.

I don't expect every season to be wall-to-wall classics. I'm content with one or two really good shows at a time.

/still not sure what to think of Space Dandy
 
2014-02-01 06:03:26 PM  
I'm going to take this opportunity to say that Outbreak Company is freaking awesome.

/don't play a "call out the reference" drinking game with this one
//you WILL die of alcohol poisoning
///third slashie for my fellow anime fans
 
2014-02-01 06:05:53 PM  

Oysterman: Glitchwerks: Aren't overly obsessive fans a problem in every fandom?

Do bronies hijack threads that have nothing to do with them?


Is that a serious question? Or is it one of those "Does the Pope wear a funny hat?" questions.
 
2014-02-01 06:50:33 PM  

baconbeard: Oysterman: Glitchwerks: Aren't overly obsessive fans a problem in every fandom?

Do bronies hijack threads that have nothing to do with them?

Is that a serious question? Or is it one of those "Does the Pope wear a funny hat?" questions.


Is the Space Pope a lizard?
 
2014-02-01 07:02:21 PM  
I had an anime phase a little over a decade ago; Cowboy Bebop, Berserk, and Hellsing pulled me in. After that I had a hard time finding a series I could take seriously, the over the top reactions by characters and kiddie themes became absurd and were a big turn off. I'm sure there is something out there now worth seeing, I'm just not going to dig through it all to find something I like.
 
2014-02-01 07:10:12 PM  

MayoSlather: I had an anime phase a little over a decade ago; Cowboy Bebop, Berserk, and Hellsing pulled me in. After that I had a hard time finding a series I could take seriously, the over the top reactions by characters and kiddie themes became absurd and were a big turn off. I'm sure there is something out there now worth seeing, I'm just not going to dig through it all to find something I like.


Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood
Monster
 
2014-02-01 07:32:05 PM  

Leishu: To clarify, because the author noted it as a  possible definition, rather than the  only operativedefinition in use. Otaku, in Japan, refers to an obsessive shut-in who is thought to be antisocial. The reason, as Miyazaki clearly states and the author ignores because he's dumb, why this is a bad thing is because those people who don't get out cannot observe people and thus their craft at drawing good characters cannot improve the way it should, in his opinion.

But the author is dumb, so he missed that. He really shouldn't be working on a site claiming to be a cultural authority when he's ascribing American definitions to Japanese terms.


Uhhhh...

So if your dream is to be the next big thing in the anime industry, it might be in your best interest to get out of the house a little more.  Feel free to take your sketchbook with you.

What part of that is different from what you said?
 
2014-02-01 07:39:21 PM  
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2014-02-01 07:53:48 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: Leishu: To clarify, because the author noted it as a  possible definition, rather than the  only operativedefinition in use. Otaku, in Japan, refers to an obsessive shut-in who is thought to be antisocial. The reason, as Miyazaki clearly states and the author ignores because he's dumb, why this is a bad thing is because those people who don't get out cannot observe people and thus their craft at drawing good characters cannot improve the way it should, in his opinion.

But the author is dumb, so he missed that. He really shouldn't be working on a site claiming to be a cultural authority when he's ascribing American definitions to Japanese terms.

Uhhhh...

So if your dream is to be the next big thing in the anime industry, it might be in your best interest to get out of the house a little more.  Feel free to take your sketchbook with you.

What part of that is different from what you said?


The added stuff and the headline, mostly, where he says that this has anything to do with them being Anime fans, which it does not.
 
2014-02-01 07:54:41 PM  

Leishu: Otaku doesn't mean the same thing in Japan as it means in the US.


To those of us in the US who don't self-identify as otaku it does.
 
2014-02-01 07:57:48 PM  

poot_rootbeer: Leishu: Otaku doesn't mean the same thing in Japan as it means in the US.

To those of us in the US who don't self-identify as otaku it does.


... maybe because you aren't in Japan, or Japanese. Let me rephrase:

Otaku doesn't mean the same thing in Japan as it means in the US.
 
2014-02-01 07:59:06 PM  
(If you are a person in the US for whom Otaku DOES signify a "Shut-in," then you are the exception, not the rule)
 
2014-02-01 08:36:20 PM  

gnosis301: 老人は雲を叫ぶ


It can't be を since 叫ぶ is intransitive. It should really be に, and I think we need to change the verb out (not 100% sure on that part; it does mean shout, but I don't think it carries the nuance wanted).

おじいさんは雲に怒鳴りまし(or maybe 叫びました).
 
2014-02-01 08:49:05 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Comic books have the same problems.

Undertalented fanboys are running he two biggest companies in the industry, writing and drawing material that would barely be passable as fanfiction.


Dan Slot. Dan Slot. Dan Slot.
 
2014-02-01 08:57:21 PM  

angstycoder: gnosis301: 老人は雲を叫ぶ

It can't be を since 叫ぶ is intransitive. It should really be に, and I think we need to change the verb out (not 100% sure on that part; it does mean shout, but I don't think it carries the nuance wanted).

おじいさんは雲に怒鳴ります(or maybe 叫びます).


FTFM (wrong tense, accidentally deleted a syllable. I shouldn't post immediately upon waking from a nap).
 
2014-02-01 09:03:16 PM  
as a non-anime watcher, can anyone suggest quality anime similar to cowboy bebop? i found it fantastic...but tried naruto/bleach/one piece and found them obviously geared towards children and disinteresting.
 
2014-02-01 09:38:57 PM  

optional: I'm not even that big on anime and I'm sad at how moe is destroying it.


People have been complaining about that since the late 80's/early 90's. It's nothing new.

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2014-02-01 09:41:41 PM  

sn0wblind: as a non-anime watcher, can anyone suggest quality anime similar to cowboy bebop? i found it fantastic...but tried naruto/bleach/one piece and found them obviously geared towards children and disinteresting.

Samurai Champloo

is made by the same guy, and is just as good.  Death Note is also incredible, and had me binge-watching against my will like it was Breaking Bad or something.  As for movies, don't miss Paprika.  It's the most amazing piece of animation i've seen in my life.
 
2014-02-01 09:45:18 PM  

sn0wblind: as a non-anime watcher, can anyone suggest quality anime similar to cowboy bebop? i found it fantastic...but tried naruto/bleach/one piece and found them obviously geared towards children and disinteresting.


Give Legend of the Galactic Heroes a shot. It tells its story in a mature (though some would say slow paced) manner.
 
2014-02-01 09:48:09 PM  
If there's one group of online fans who can rival anime fans in terms of obnoxiousness, it would be Joss Whedon fans.  I'm sure you've all seen them: the guys who think everything Joss touches turns to gold, the guys who still biatch about Firefly being cancelled even though it happened over a decade ago, the ones who constantly say things like "shiny" and "I'll be in my bunk", the guys who get boners every time they see Summer Glau or Felecia Day.  I remember one Cracked article said something like "Whedonites are to Trekkies as the Nation of Islam was to the Civil Rights movement."

Fun fact: the show Dollhouse was renewed for a second season despite low ratings because Fox executives were afraid that their inboxes would be flooded by angry letters from Joss Whedon fans if they canceled it.
 
2014-02-01 09:51:03 PM  

angstycoder: angstycoder: gnosis301: 老人は雲を叫ぶ

It can't be を since 叫ぶ is intransitive. It should really be に, and I think we need to change the verb out (not 100% sure on that part; it does mean shout, but I don't think it carries the nuance wanted).

おじいさんは雲に怒鳴ります(or maybe 叫びます).

FTFM (wrong tense, accidentally deleted a syllable. I shouldn't post immediately upon waking from a nap).


(⋆ˋ⑉ˊ)൭൭⁼³₌₃  小さいにぎりこぶしを振るています。
 
2014-02-01 09:51:59 PM  
sn0wblind:
as a non-anime watcher, can anyone suggest quality anime similar to cowboy bebop? i found it fantastic...but tried naruto/bleach/one piece and found them obviously geared towards children and disinteresting.

Similar in plot, or similar in style?

A lot of people who like Cowboy Bebop also like Trigun.

Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex is very good. Near-future sci-fi exploring the question of "what is human, anyway?"

Other styles and types, but still good:

A Certain Scientific Railgun is a favorite (you might want to start with its parallel show, "A Certain Magical Index"). Gets kinda dark in the "Sisters" arc, though.

If you want to explore a bit, try Crunchyroll. They have some great stuff, from pretty much any subgenre you'd like.

Hulu has a huge selection, but a lot of it needs a Hulu subscription to access.
 
2014-02-01 09:56:31 PM  
So... The quality drops because the artists work with their non-dominant hand.
 
2014-02-01 09:58:59 PM  

sn0wblind: as a non-anime watcher, can anyone suggest quality anime similar to cowboy bebop? i found it fantastic...but tried naruto/bleach/one piece and found them obviously geared towards children and disinteresting.


Samurai Champloo - directed by Shinichiro Watanabe after Cowboy Bebop. It's very good.
 
2014-02-01 10:03:41 PM  

darkjezter: guys who get boners every time they see Summer Glau


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I'll be in my bunk.
 
2014-02-01 10:15:02 PM  

sn0wblind: as a non-anime watcher, can anyone suggest quality anime similar to cowboy bebop? i found it fantastic...but tried naruto/bleach/one piece and found them obviously geared towards children and disinteresting.


It's an older series, but you might want to check out Outlaw Star.  It's somewhat similar to Cowboy Bebop, but with a bit more of a Star Wars flavor (aliens and magic added).
 
2014-02-01 10:15:19 PM  

cirby: sn0wblind:
as a non-anime watcher, can anyone suggest quality anime similar to cowboy bebop? i found it fantastic...but tried naruto/bleach/one piece and found them obviously geared towards children and disinteresting.

Similar in plot, or similar in style?

A lot of people who like Cowboy Bebop also like Trigun.

Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex is very good. Near-future sci-fi exploring the question of "what is human, anyway?"

Other styles and types, but still good:

A Certain Scientific Railgun is a favorite (you might want to start with its parallel show, "A Certain Magical Index"). Gets kinda dark in the "Sisters" arc, though.

If you want to explore a bit, try Crunchyroll. They have some great stuff, from pretty much any subgenre you'd like.

Hulu has a huge selection, but a lot of it needs a Hulu subscription to access.



I second Trigun and Ghost in the Shell.

However I'd highly recommend for your next anime to be either Attack on Titan (Shingeki no Kyojin) or Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood.

*Note - there are two Fullmetal Alchemist series. The first Fullmetal Alchemist series was being made while the manga was still coming out, so at some point they just deviate off and make an entirely different story. Brotherhood was made after the manga was finished and stays close to the manga's story and the animation is better. They're both good in their own ways, but I think Brotherhood is better.

Attack on Titan is brand new, and finished the first season a few months ago. It's farking fantastic. I was hooked from the very first episode.
 
2014-02-01 10:15:19 PM  
Why does this shiat website keep getting linked lately?
 
2014-02-01 10:16:25 PM  

Arumat: sn0wblind: as a non-anime watcher, can anyone suggest quality anime similar to cowboy bebop? i found it fantastic...but tried naruto/bleach/one piece and found them obviously geared towards children and disinteresting.

It's an older series, but you might want to check out Outlaw Star.  It's somewhat similar to Cowboy Bebop, but with a bit more of a Star Wars flavor (aliens and magic added).



Oh yeah, almost forgot Outlaw Star... That's a great older series too.
 
2014-02-01 10:44:03 PM  

BafflerMeal: MayoSlather: I had an anime phase a little over a decade ago; Cowboy Bebop, Berserk, and Hellsing pulled me in. After that I had a hard time finding a series I could take seriously, the over the top reactions by characters and kiddie themes became absurd and were a big turn off. I'm sure there is something out there now worth seeing, I'm just not going to dig through it all to find something I like.

Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood
Monster


Anything from Satoshi Kon (RIP)
 
2014-02-01 10:48:55 PM  

Mister Peejay: optional: I'm not even that big on anime and I'm sad at how moe is destroying it.

Larry and Curly aren't doing it any favors either.


Bring out the Shemp
 
2014-02-01 10:54:04 PM  

mongbiohazard: Attack on Titan is brand new, and finished the first season a few months ago. It's farking fantastic. I was hooked from the very first episode


Has there been any word on another series for it?  I know the manga is still ongoing, but there seems to still be a lot of un-adapted material out there.

mongbiohazard: Oh yeah, almost forgot Outlaw Star... That's a great older series too.


It's certainly an interesting take on Treasure Island.  I really liked liked it when it first came out, but haven't watched it in years.  I'm not sure if it aged nearly as well as Bebop did.

/Outlaw Star caused me to have the same reaction to the name 'MacDougal' that MST3K caused with 'Mitchell'


I'll also second Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood.  Ideally, you should watch both series.  The first series did a much better job fleshing out the characters early on.  Brotherhood really skimmed through the beginning stuff since it was repeating a lot of notes from the first series at that point.

Other series worth checking out: Full Metal Panic (second series is entirely comedic, so skippable if it's not your cup of tea), Last Exile, R.O.D. (The 3-part OVA and then the full TV series).
 
2014-02-01 11:07:38 PM  
I was trying to make a dumb Naruto joke, but this shiat's too good not to share.

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2014-02-01 11:14:23 PM  

1. Put snakes on plane: StopLurkListen: Hayao Myazaki is the alpha and omega of anime, there are none that compare. After he's gone, there will never again be good anime films.

The thing about Miyazaki's films is that they're full of heart. Sadly none of the other anime filmmakers ever figured that out...

His movies are trite, heavy-handed, and often nonsensical. He's not the worst out there, but nowhere near the best.


So who do you like?
 
2014-02-01 11:29:12 PM  

NeoCortex42: Has there been any word on another series for it?  I know the manga is still ongoing, but there seems to still be a lot of un-adapted material out there.


I haven't seen any official word, and I was actually looking for confirmation earlier this week. But the series was hugely popular, even outside of Japan, so I think it's all but guaranteed that they're going to continue it. I have absolutely no doubt, it's just a question of when, really. That no one is saying yet. There's a live action movie coming out in 2015....... but I'll bet good money that's going to be horribad.

There is another OVA coming out in April.

NeoCortex42: It's certainly an interesting take on Treasure Island.  I really liked liked it when it first came out, but haven't watched it in years.  I'm not sure if it aged nearly as well as Bebop did.

/Outlaw Star caused me to have the same reaction to the name 'MacDougal' that MST3K caused with 'Mitchell'



Outlaw Star didn't age too badly really, but not quite as well as Cowboy Bebop (but then again, few things age as well as Cowboy Bebop). It's good... A little cheese here and there, but overall still one of the best series out there IMHO. Wish I could find digital copies of the translated manga... I've only ever found the first four issues.
 
2014-02-01 11:39:54 PM  
Ummm, if the industry were "filled" with anime fans, then half the stuff that came out would never see the light of day OR...be classified as "hentai".

For example: "Queen's Blade".  That was thisclose to being full blown hentai with the egregious fan service involved.  Add guys bedding almost all the female characters and you've got hentai.
 
2014-02-01 11:40:44 PM  

StopLurkListen: Hayao Myazaki is the alpha and omega of anime, there are none that compare. After he's gone, there will never again be good anime films.

The thing about Miyazaki's films is that they're full of heart. Sadly none of the other anime filmmakers ever figured that out...


This; Miyazaki-sensei's films are high art.
 
2014-02-01 11:42:57 PM  

Rwa2play: StopLurkListen: Hayao Myazaki is the alpha and omega of anime, there are none that compare. After he's gone, there will never again be good anime films.

The thing about Miyazaki's films is that they're full of heart. Sadly none of the other anime filmmakers ever figured that out...

This; Miyazaki-sensei's films are high art.


Pretty much this.  Also, do NOT FARK WITH THINGS YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

/especially forest guardians...
 
2014-02-01 11:43:12 PM  

1. Put snakes on plane: StopLurkListen: Hayao Myazaki is the alpha and omega of anime, there are none that compare. After he's gone, there will never again be good anime films.

The thing about Miyazaki's films is that they're full of heart. Sadly none of the other anime filmmakers ever figured that out...

His movies are trite, heavy-handed, and often nonsensical. He's not the worst out there, but nowhere near the best.


8/10 and a

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/that right there was excellent
 
2014-02-01 11:44:16 PM  

AntonChigger: Rwa2play: StopLurkListen: Hayao Myazaki is the alpha and omega of anime, there are none that compare. After he's gone, there will never again be good anime films.

The thing about Miyazaki's films is that they're full of heart. Sadly none of the other anime filmmakers ever figured that out...

This; Miyazaki-sensei's films are high art.

Pretty much this.  Also, do NOT FARK WITH THINGS YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

/especially forest guardians...


...or science...or the Wu-Tang Clan
 
2014-02-01 11:46:22 PM  

sn0wblind: as a non-anime watcher, can anyone suggest quality anime similar to cowboy bebop? i found it fantastic...but tried naruto/bleach/one piece and found them obviously geared towards children and disinteresting.


"Samural Champloo" is one you MUST watch.  One can say it's "Cowboy Bebop in feudal-era Japan", but it's quite different yet hits on a lot of the themes that Bebop nailed.
 
2014-02-01 11:52:09 PM  

cirby: sn0wblind:
as a non-anime watcher, can anyone suggest quality anime similar to cowboy bebop? i found it fantastic...but tried naruto/bleach/one piece and found them obviously geared towards children and disinteresting.

Similar in plot, or similar in style?

A lot of people who like Cowboy Bebop also like Trigun.

Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex is very good. Near-future sci-fi exploring the question of "what is human, anyway?"


*ahem* By contractual obligation, I must mention the following whenver "GiTS:SAC" is mentioned:

"Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex" is better than 85-90% of US primetime programming today.  It stands majestically at the summit of Mt. Fuji while reality shows stand at its base; most primetime shows couldn't hold a candle to the depth of storytelling and high-level of animation at "SAC" had.
 
2014-02-02 12:00:02 AM  

mongbiohazard: Arumat: sn0wblind: as a non-anime watcher, can anyone suggest quality anime similar to cowboy bebop? i found it fantastic...but tried naruto/bleach/one piece and found them obviously geared towards children and disinteresting.

It's an older series, but you might want to check out Outlaw Star.  It's somewhat similar to Cowboy Bebop, but with a bit more of a Star Wars flavor (aliens and magic added).


Oh yeah, almost forgot Outlaw Star... That's a great older series too.


I've been dying to watch "Gundam Wing" again; not a real fan of the Gundam series by that series stuck out brilliantly for me.  I should watch "Outlaw Star" again as well to see if it's aged well.

NeoCortex42: /Outlaw Star caused me to have the same reaction to the name 'MacDougal' that MST3K caused with 'Mitchell'

I'll also second Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood.  Ideally, you should watch both series.  The first series did a much better job fleshing out the characters early on.  Brotherhood really skimmed through the beginning stuff since it was repeating a lot of notes from the first series at that point.

Other series worth checking out: Full Metal Panic (second series is entirely comedic, so skippable if it's not your cup of tea),


FMP was farking brilliant; FMP: FUMOFFU was hi-lar-i-ous (it really makes no sense in terms of FMP and it's sequel FMP: 2nd Raid, but it's a great side story nonetheless).

R.O.D. (The 3-part OVA and then the full TV series).

This; kinda important to watch the R.O.D. OVA first because a lot of the references/callbacks in R.O.D the TV will go over your ahead if you didn't watch the OVA.
 
2014-02-02 12:02:53 AM  

Trocadero: I was trying to make a dumb Naruto joke, but this shiat's too good not to share.

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HAH!

I was thinking of recommending Naruto, but I ultimately decided not to. By the time someone new to the anime thing would be ready to watch it they'll probably already know about it. And the thing about Naruto is there's soooooooooo many goddamn episodes, it's been being made for so long, and so many of them are completely worthless filler arc garbage.

When Naruto sticks to the manga it's quite good, particularly the recent Shippuuden episodes (ep. 322 with Madara was freakin' awesome). But for long stretches when they're giving the manga time to put out more issues it can be brutally bad. When I know it's a filler episode I pretty much just skip it every time. Few are worth your time. It's a great series when you skip the filler though.
 
2014-02-02 12:05:35 AM  

mongbiohazard: Trocadero: I was trying to make a dumb Naruto joke, but this shiat's too good not to share.

[fc02.deviantart.net image 850x479]


HAH!

I was thinking of recommending Naruto, but I ultimately decided not to. By the time someone new to the anime thing would be ready to watch it they'll probably already know about it. And the thing about Naruto is there's soooooooooo many goddamn episodes, it's been being made for so long, and so many of them are completely worthless filler arc garbage.

When Naruto sticks to the manga it's quite good, particularly the recent Shippuuden episodes (ep. 322 with Madara was freakin' awesome). But for long stretches when they're giving the manga time to put out more issues it can be brutally bad. When I know it's a filler episode I pretty much just skip it every time. Few are worth your time. It's a great series when you skip the filler though.


Seriously, I can't get into Naruto and I stopped watching Bleach because they got too damn long AND started going with filler.

Highly recommend "Fairy Tail". HIGHLY.  If you loved "The Slayers", you will love "Fairy Tail"; it's a little more serious by the funny parts are awesome and you'll love everyone involved in the story.
 
2014-02-02 12:14:29 AM  

cirby: sn0wblind:
as a non-anime watcher, can anyone suggest quality anime similar to cowboy bebop? i found it fantastic...but tried naruto/bleach/one piece and found them obviously geared towards children and disinteresting.

Similar in plot, or similar in style?

A lot of people who like Cowboy Bebop also like Trigun.

Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex is very good. Near-future sci-fi exploring the question of "what is human, anyway?"

Other styles and types, but still good:

A Certain Scientific Railgun is a favorite (you might want to start with its parallel show, "A Certain Magical Index"). Gets kinda dark in the "Sisters" arc, though.

If you want to explore a bit, try Crunchyroll. They have some great stuff, from pretty much any subgenre you'd like.

Hulu has a huge selection, but a lot of it needs a Hulu subscription to access.


Ghost in the Shell is crap because of inconsistent characters. The person who completely sold her body to the government to be a cyborg/indentured servant of the state waxes philosophical in the middle of the story, to drag everything to a halt? Please bull shiat.  Quit spewing your bastard, post-nuked junk on us and passing it off as the character's voice. You're worse than the writers of the Matrix.
 
2014-02-02 12:15:06 AM  

Rwa2play: Highly recommend "Fairy Tail". HIGHLY.  If you loved "The Slayers", you will love "Fairy Tail"; it's a little more serious by the funny parts are awesome and you'll love everyone involved in the story.


I have to disagree with this part.  There are people that you're supposed to hate, and it'll be pretty easy most of the time.  In these cases you'll love watching them get the snot beat out of them.
 
2014-02-02 12:19:04 AM  
Call me crazy, but while I enjoy Miyazaki movies, I don't see the animation as something where I think "Somebody must've studied the reference material for ages to get this moment right." The stories yeah, they resonate, but I'd be hard pressed to differentiate the animation itself from some otaku's fever dream.
 
2014-02-02 12:35:01 AM  
a lot of good replies.  thanks. checking them out now.
kind of funny looking at all the top mainstream, younger-targeted anime.  they all share the same formula, in the way your typical laugh-track cbs sitcom does.
 
2014-02-02 01:02:03 AM  
I like some anime, I got kind of into it in the late 90's. Really like Ninja Scroll, Gulag 13, Ghost in the Shell, Blood the Last Vampire, etc... But the people I knew who also liked anime sort of only liked anime, and they kind of fetishized Japanese culture in general. They seemed kind of resentful that I liked stuff other than anime and all things Japan.
 
2014-02-02 05:51:26 AM  

mongbiohazard: cirby: sn0wblind:
as a non-anime watcher, can anyone suggest quality anime similar to cowboy bebop? i found it fantastic...but tried naruto/bleach/one piece and found them obviously geared towards children and disinteresting.

Similar in plot, or similar in style?

A lot of people who like Cowboy Bebop also like Trigun.

Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex is very good. Near-future sci-fi exploring the question of "what is human, anyway?"

Other styles and types, but still good:

A Certain Scientific Railgun is a favorite (you might want to start with its parallel show, "A Certain Magical Index"). Gets kinda dark in the "Sisters" arc, though.

If you want to explore a bit, try Crunchyroll. They have some great stuff, from pretty much any subgenre you'd like.

Hulu has a huge selection, but a lot of it needs a Hulu subscription to access.


I second Trigun and Ghost in the Shell.

However I'd highly recommend for your next anime to be either Attack on Titan (Shingeki no Kyojin) or Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood.

*Note - there are two Fullmetal Alchemist series. The first Fullmetal Alchemist series was being made while the manga was still coming out, so at some point they just deviate off and make an entirely different story. Brotherhood was made after the manga was finished and stays close to the manga's story and the animation is better. They're both good in their own ways, but I think Brotherhood is better.

Attack on Titan is brand new, and finished the first season a few months ago. It's farking fantastic. I was hooked from the very first episode.


I'm not a big fan of Trigun, but everything else in this post is spot on.  Also, the previous recommendation for Samurai Champloo is good.  Haven't finished Attack on Titan yet, or Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood, but so far so good.

Trigun though...  I couldn't make it through the 'humorous' parts.  When they stay serious, it's pretty good, but then they seem to go full retard every damn episode I've seen.  Couldn't finish the first five episodes or so.
 
2014-02-02 07:35:54 AM  

somemoron: mongbiohazard: cirby: sn0wblind:
as a non-anime watcher, can anyone suggest quality anime similar to cowboy bebop? i found it fantastic...but tried naruto/bleach/one piece and found them obviously geared towards children and disinteresting.

Similar in plot, or similar in style?

A lot of people who like Cowboy Bebop also like Trigun.

Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex is very good. Near-future sci-fi exploring the question of "what is human, anyway?"

Other styles and types, but still good:

A Certain Scientific Railgun is a favorite (you might want to start with its parallel show, "A Certain Magical Index"). Gets kinda dark in the "Sisters" arc, though.

If you want to explore a bit, try Crunchyroll. They have some great stuff, from pretty much any subgenre you'd like.

Hulu has a huge selection, but a lot of it needs a Hulu subscription to access.


I second Trigun and Ghost in the Shell.

However I'd highly recommend for your next anime to be either Attack on Titan (Shingeki no Kyojin) or Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood.

*Note - there are two Fullmetal Alchemist series. The first Fullmetal Alchemist series was being made while the manga was still coming out, so at some point they just deviate off and make an entirely different story. Brotherhood was made after the manga was finished and stays close to the manga's story and the animation is better. They're both good in their own ways, but I think Brotherhood is better.

Attack on Titan is brand new, and finished the first season a few months ago. It's farking fantastic. I was hooked from the very first episode.

I'm not a big fan of Trigun, but everything else in this post is spot on.  Also, the previous recommendation for Samurai Champloo is good.  Haven't finished Attack on Titan yet, or Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood, but so far so good.

Trigun though...  I couldn't make it through the 'humorous' parts.  When they stay serious, it's pretty good, but then they seem to go full retard every damn episod ...


Funny you mention that you could only do 5 eps of Trigun.... it pretty much spent the first disk (6 eps) in that beginning phase of just establishing the world and is totally understandable that you can find it unwatchable. If you're ever looking for something to watch again and want to give it a shot just go straight to the half-way mark because:

1. The protaganist goes into a more 'rogue' character rather than a jester.
2. They bring in the character Wolfwood, to basically keep Vash in line.
3. The antagonist appears and sends 12 assassins after him, thus being ep after ep of build up and action scenes.
 
2014-02-02 08:57:09 AM  
cirby:

A Certain Scientific Railgun is a favorite (you might want to start with its parallel show, "A Certain Magical Index"). Gets kinda dark in the "Sisters" arc, though.

That reminds me of the "Machete Order" I have developed for watching that series.

Index season 1 episodes 10-14
Railgun season 2 episodes 2-16
 This cuts out most of the cruft, all of the crap with FUSE Kazakiri, and pretty much all of Kuroko's antics.  Downside is that it also cuts out most of Accelerator's story arcs, which is a shame because he is pretty much the only character to undergo any significant development, all of the others are more or less static.


Yes, it's just the Sisters story arc.  IMO it's better to see it in succession like that instead of trying to piece it together into a purely chronological order, because it sets you up to more truly understand Misaka's desperation and drive.   Plus, it bookends nicely.
 
2014-02-02 09:17:06 AM  
mongbiohazard:
However I'd highly recommend for your next anime to be either Attack on Titan (Shingeki no Kyojin) or Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood.

All of my friends rave about Attack on Titan.  From what little I've read of it, I'm not sure I want to watch it yet.  I'm still recovering from Puella Magi Madoka Magica.

(If you're not familiar with it, don't let the cute art and designs fool you.  It's a pretty dark and disturbing show.  The art is there to throw the horrible themes into sharp relief, and it works.  Without giving too much away, it's more or less twelve episodes of tragedy, despair, and unwinnable situations.  Over and over again.  Everybody dies, and not in the "Oops, they died, oh well!" way like in so many movies (Hello, The Matrix?), but in unexpected ways and everybody broods about it in shock, dragging out the pain and angst they are going through.  Over and over again.)

/then you get to the 10th episode
 
2014-02-02 09:26:58 AM  
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2014-02-02 12:06:19 PM  

Arumat: Rwa2play: Highly recommend "Fairy Tail". HIGHLY.  If you loved "The Slayers", you will love "Fairy Tail"; it's a little more serious by the funny parts are awesome and you'll love everyone involved in the story.

I have to disagree with this part.  There are people that you're supposed to hate, and it'll be pretty easy most of the time.  In these cases you'll love watching them get the snot beat out of them.


True, true.
 
2014-02-02 01:27:24 PM  

darkjezter: If there's one group of online fans who can rival anime fans in terms of obnoxiousness, it would be Joss Whedon fans.  I'm sure you've all seen them: the guys who think everything Joss touches turns to gold, the guys who still biatch about Firefly being cancelled even though it happened over a decade ago, the ones who constantly say things like "shiny" and "I'll be in my bunk", the guys who get boners every time they see Summer Glau or Felecia Day.  I remember one Cracked article said something like "Whedonites are to Trekkies as the Nation of Islam was to the Civil Rights movement."

Fun fact: the show Dollhouse was renewed for a second season despite low ratings because Fox executives were afraid that their inboxes would be flooded by angry letters from Joss Whedon fans if they canceled it.


There's Nintendo fans, Apple fans, Android fans, Bieber fans, Twilight fans, Harry Potter fans... Anyone that displays fervent unreasonable bias without accepting criticism is equally obnoxious.
 
2014-02-02 02:54:13 PM  

Rwa2play: mongbiohazard: Trocadero: I was trying to make a dumb Naruto joke, but this shiat's too good not to share.

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HAH!

I was thinking of recommending Naruto, but I ultimately decided not to. By the time someone new to the anime thing would be ready to watch it they'll probably already know about it. And the thing about Naruto is there's soooooooooo many goddamn episodes, it's been being made for so long, and so many of them are completely worthless filler arc garbage.

When Naruto sticks to the manga it's quite good, particularly the recent Shippuuden episodes (ep. 322 with Madara was freakin' awesome). But for long stretches when they're giving the manga time to put out more issues it can be brutally bad. When I know it's a filler episode I pretty much just skip it every time. Few are worth your time. It's a great series when you skip the filler though.

Seriously, I can't get into Naruto and I stopped watching Bleach because they got too damn long AND started going with filler.

Highly recommend "Fairy Tail". HIGHLY.  If you loved "The Slayers", you will love "Fairy Tail"; it's a little more serious by the funny parts are awesome and you'll love everyone involved in the story.


Never seen Slayers, but I'm streaming the episodes of Fairy Tail on Netflix now, and it's hilarious.  Thanks for the recommendation.
 
2014-02-02 05:11:15 PM  

Marc L'Hommedieu: Samurai Champloo is made by the same guy, and is just as good.  Death Note is also incredible, and had me binge-watching against my will like it was Breaking Bad or something.  As for movies, don't miss Paprika.  It's the most amazing piece of animation i've seen in my life.


If you like Death Note, then Code Geass is another you'd probably enjoy - the protagonist is very similar (Byronic anti-hero fond of elaborate gambits willing to sacrifice almost anyone and anything in order to achieve his goals).

For general good anime, there's a weird but very enjoyable "series" in the nitroplus/5pb shows: chaos;head, steins;gate, and robotics;notes.  Although they nominally all take place in the same universe, they deal with different characters (okay, some crossover of minor characters) and themes, and any can be watched standalone as well.  steins;gate is my favorite of the series, with an interesting look on the consequences of time travel.

If you don't like the typical magical girl genre, there is also Puella Magi Madoka Magica, which seems for two episodes to be your typical cutesy magical girl show, and then proceeds to completely deconstruct the genre in a gory and very, very dark way.
 
2014-02-02 05:43:09 PM  
Sum Dum Gai:
For general good anime, there's a weird but very enjoyable "series" in the nitroplus/5pb shows: chaos;head, steins;gate, and robotics;notes.  Although they nominally all take place in the same universe, they deal with different characters (okay, some crossover of minor characters) and themes, and any can be watched standalone as well.  steins;gate is my favorite of the series, with an interesting look on the consequences of time travel.

Chaos:Head was... weird.  At first it looks like a sendup of hikkikomori otaku (the creepy body pillow owner kind) and then they start throwing a bunch of stuff in where you REALLY aren't sure if it's reality or if the guy is just delusional.  When I was told that the two sister series were even stranger than that, I decided to give them a miss until I felt in the mood for a brainfark.

If you don't like the typical magical girl genre, there is also Puella Magi Madoka Magica, which seems for two episodes to be your typical cutesy magical girl show, and then proceeds to completely deconstruct the genre in a gory and very, very dark way.

Yah, and tell me you wouldn't buy this USB drive.

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2014-02-02 06:12:03 PM  
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2014-02-02 08:30:15 PM  

Mister Peejay: When I was told that the two sister series were even stranger than that, I decided to give them a miss until I felt in the mood for a brainfark.


I wouldn't agree about them being stranger.  chaos;head was straight up the most bizarre in my book.  There are certainly bizarre and surreal elements in the others, but there's nothing in them that is as weird as some of the "gigalomaniac" powers of chaos;head.
 
2014-02-02 08:33:21 PM  
Also that it's creepy and borderline pedophilia.
 
2014-02-03 01:25:43 AM  

gnosis301: 老人は雲を叫ぶ


Old person yells clouds?


Fabric_Man: 「スコットランドの問題点は、スコットランドの完全であるということです」


Scotland's problem is that it is the epitome of Scotland?
 
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