Gyrfalcon: hardinparamedic: Truther: Almost as vile as abortion doctors and those who kill their unborn children.Awww, how cute.And whose little alt is this? And so late in the day, come to support a story that has no supportability at ALL.
zeio: SilentStrider: They only want to keep the fetus alive in the hopes that it will grow up to vote Republican.Well if its dead, it will end up a democrat registered voter. And if its brain dead, it will be a democrat registered voter that votes several times in one election being bussed from polling station to polling station.
TV's Vinnie: What are these fundie sickos going to do? Stand around a wheezing ball of twisted flesh after it's born from an artificially-animated corpse and sing "Yes, Jesus loves me" while it gurgles and yowls itself to death?
hardinparamedic: Oh god farking damnit.This lawyer is human scum. THERE IS NO FETUS. It is grossly deformed and it's brain is a bag of fluid. It is DEAD. She is DEAD. Let them go in peace and the family mourn.
Gergesa: I take it the pro lifers aren't jumping at the bit to take responsibility for this non viable fetus if it is born?
TV's Vinnie: What are these fundie sickos going to do? Stand around a wheezing ball of twisted flesh after it's born from an artificially-animated corpse and sing "Yes, Jesus loves me" while it gurgles and yowls itself to death?I just don't see the slightest thing holy about this at all.Religion that is used to dominate people instead of comfort them shouldn't be a Constitutional right.
hardinparamedic: vpb: I'm guessing that they aren't volunteering to pick up the tab for the hospital stay.As I understand it, the chief legal counsel for the hospital is actually a prominent Anti-abortion attorney, and one of the people who helped draft the law in Texas that they are referring to when refusing to remove this poor woman's body from the ventilator. So they're basically using this woman as a "pro-life" martyr.The thing about it is, if they are found to have misapplied or even blatantly lied to the family in the application of this law, the county is liable on the tune of millions of dollars to the family for negligence, malpractice, and even illegal human experimentation for what they have done here.
Amberleia: UseLessHuman: Hubris. They are so bound to the concept that they are special and that God has a special plan for THEM that to believe that every fetus may not be a God's special snowflake for whom miracles occur would force them to believe that perhaps THEY are not God's special snowflake for whom miracles will occur. The mind recoils and they start insisting on having dead women bear dead fetuses in a vain attempt to make the world fit their own preconceived notions allowing them to remain safe within their own ignorant certitude. Hubris.I'm actually an atheist, which is at least part of the reason I think that as long as there's a chance that a fetus is viable, then the mother should be kept alive by artificial means. Death of the fetus isn't going to result in a heavenly reunion where the mother can hold and cherish her baby, despite what people on some of the boards are saying.Also, I keep asking myself what I would want if it were me in that position. While under normal circumstances, I wouldn't choose life support, I would right now. I would want to give my unborn child every opportunity to have a life. It's odd in a way, as I had never planned on having biological children. I've provided foster care to hard-to-place kids and have hopes of adopting. I always figured that I could do more good taking in these unwanted kids and providing them a safe and loving home than I could by adding one more person to the mess that we call home. Now, though, and maybe it's the pregnancy hormones, I would fight tooth and nail to prevent any harm from coming to my baby. If I had to choose between my baby's life and a few months of being kept artificially alive, I'd choose him every time.
Amberleia: I am pro-choice. The well-being of a woman, mental, emotional, and physical, supercedes the rights of an unborn fetus. However, in this case, the mother's well-being is irrelevant, as she's no longer living. Therefore, I believe the rights of the living fetus supercede the rights of a dead woman. If there's any chance of a viable infant being born, then, in my opinion, life support should be continued.I haven't seen the evidence that the fetus isn't viable, though the reports state that the father's attorneys have such. If this is true, then by all means end everything, but if there's any doubt at all, then I believe the fetus should be maintained until it is either born or all doubt in removed.
SecretAgentWoman: "God" saw fit to kill this woman and the unborn, who are we to judge otherwise?NOW who is playing "God?"!!Farking religious people all to farking HELL.
hardinparamedic: cameroncrazy1984: letrole: No dear, all I care about is some fellow with trade-school qualifications making a unilateral decision to let me dieEMTs don't make that decision, dumbass.People still don't have him on ignore?
tiamet4: So which of the hospital employees is volunteering to pay the hospital bills and take financial responsibility for the "distinctly abnormal" fetus they care so much about?Anyone? Bueller?Okay then STFU.
SilentStrider: They only want to keep the fetus alive in the hopes that it will grow up to vote Republican.
mark12A: What happens next time when the mother gets brain damaged in an accident, and a perfectly healthy baby is inside her?A whole lot of people are not too eager about establishing a precedent for unplugging pregnant women.Seems like a whole lot MORE want this baby dead.
SilentStrider: grumpfuff: hardinparamedic: Oh god farking damnit.This lawyer is human scum. THERE IS NO FETUS. It is grossly deformed and it's brain is a bag of fluid. It is DEAD. She is DEAD. Let them go in peace and the family mourn.
wildcardjack: Their reason originally was to stay in line with state law. State Judge decrees that removal of life support should go forward. I don't see the problem here, unless there's some fantasy about being brought to some sort of trial for following a judge's orders. And then were in Kafka.
JasonOfOrillia: This is a horrifying abuse of authority. And an excellent example of the results of letting religious nutters apply their absolutism to the population at large. Hopefully this will backfire on them.
hardinparamedic: Nabb1: I don't see how they are on the hook for that if their assertion of that argument was not frivolous. Has the court sanctioned them or said it was a frivolous argument?As I understand the court ruling that was handed down instructing them to take her off life support, the court said the law was grossly misinterpreted.
vpb: SilentStrider: They only want to keep the fetus alive in the hopes that it will grow up to vote Republican.I don't think that's a requirement in Texas. They just need to get it an ID card.
vpb: hardinparamedic:The thing about it is, if they are found to have misapplied or even blatantly lied to the family in the application of this law, the county is liable on the tune of millions of dollars to the family for negligence, malpractice, and even illegal human experimentation for what they have done here.It's Texas, so I'm guessing that's not much of a worry.
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