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(Philly.com)   New Jersey has been colluding with insurance companies to import coyotes in order to reduce the deer population. What a wily idea   ( philly.com) divider line
    More: Unlikely, New Jersey, Pennsylvania Game Commission, deer population, David Swarter, Leo Deiter, Perry County, conspiracy, Western Pennsylvania  
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2014-01-19 02:31:04 PM  
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Oldiron_79: If you want to reduce deer you probably want a bigger predator like wolves or cougars.

Why not just expand hunting season?
2014-01-19 02:26:38 PM  
2 votes:
Next they'll be importing road runners to control the coyote population.
2014-01-19 02:25:50 PM  
2 votes:
Predator population increases as prey population increases?  Who'd have thunk it?
2014-01-19 02:24:56 PM  
2 votes:
If you want to reduce deer you probably want a bigger predator like wolves or cougars.
2014-01-19 06:39:01 PM  
1 vote:

boinkingbill: Coyotes are killing and eating those nasty, annoying little yappy dogs?

I'm okay with this.

This was in my old building a few years ago.

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2014-01-19 05:17:03 PM  
1 vote:
Reading the article and the  comments on this article, I am literally astounded at the ignorance of some people who do not understand two things:

1--the population of predators will increase proportionally to the population of prey

2--the necessity of hunting to keep the population of prey (in this case, deer) from overwhelming rural areas.

As someone who has lived in rural areas most of my life, let me spell this out for those of you who don't understand the concept of hunting as it pertains to keeping a balance: if you do not hunt Bambi, Bambi will take the fark over because in some areas, there are not enough wolves and coyotes to prevent Bambi from breeding like Thumper. Bambi can do significant damage to crops in rural/farmland areas because Bambi is a farking vegetarian. We are not strict herbivores like Bambi, we are omnivores (or, if you prefer, om nom nom-ivores). Nature designed us this way for balance--so that in areas where Bambi doesn't have predators like the big bad wolf and Wile Coyote, he has a natural predator called Man. Man preys on Bambi so that plants and crops continue to grow so the remaining Bambis and Thumpers and men have food besides Bambi and Thumper to eat. And spaying/neutering Bambi isn't gonna cut it because then all those spayed/neutered Bambis are still gonna eat all the food and grain.

It's second-grade science. Emotion has nothing to farking do with it, nor does "ZOMG, GUN NUTS!" Get a farking grip.

*Disclaimer: nothing in the above is necessarily directed at any Farker. But holy shiat, those comments on the article just about gave me an aneurysm. So much stupid, all in one place.
2014-01-19 04:37:17 PM  
1 vote:

redmid17: redmid17: Stone Meadow: Slappajo: Stone Meadow: In California "coyote season" starts at 12:01AM on January first and goes to midnight on 21 December. No tag. No bag limit.

Was there ever a "reintroduction" effort?  The experience I was talking about was that they were all but absent in the area but it was decided to reintroduce them and restrictions were put on killing them.  Now it's pretty much shoot 'em if you see 'em.

No, but now you have me curious...was there a formal coyote reintroduction effort in Iowa?

If I remember correctly, there wasn't really one. With the switch of a lot of forest to agricultural use, decline in larger predators, and increase in food supply they pretty just migrated from the West. Apparently they were a lot less common in the eastern part of the US before the 1900s.

Old Times article on it:  http://www.nytimes.com/1981/03/03/science/coyotes-arrive-in-the-north e ast-after-an-evolutionary-trek-across-the.html

So...long story short, coyotes had naturally migrated back into every eastern state by 30 years ago, but this yokel concludes it was collusion between the NJ State Gov't and insurance companies. Double-facepalm^∞... ;^)

/great article, btw...thanks!
2014-01-19 04:06:08 PM  
1 vote:
There are at least a few, and often more anti-predator hate propagandist dimbulbs in all the lower 48 states who are under the impression every state has a covert predator importation team with a secret budget and exceptions from ordinary wildlife and/or endangered species interstate transfer rules, dedicated to creating local populations of predators of kinds exotic to the local varieties, larger, and with the intention of them causing damage to livestock and danger to humans.

These people come in the same category as the Rainbows too Close to the Ground lady.  Unfortunately, they, and some politicians who listen to them, seem to think that their fantasies should be used to determine the local hunting regulations instead of actual scientists.
2014-01-19 03:02:47 PM  
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big pig peaches: Silentbob768768: There's mountain lions too but not very many it seems

NJ historically had cougars, grizzly bears, wolves, even jaguars I've heard. They were wiped out by man. The northeast was mostly forest once, and probably had every large predator present in North America.

With hunting less popular than ever it makes sense that anything that can adapt to suburban /urban areas will come back, and coyotes do quite well in other urban parts of the country. Personally, their howls would be a welcome sound.

Hunting has actually seen a resurgence over the last few years. Total number of hunting licenses has jumped over a million since 2010, to around 15 million. This is a good thing. Most of the hunting money goes to wildlife management/conservation program. Coyotes and black bears in NJ specifically are already spread out to a lot of urban areas. Also the northeast is still mostly forest. It's around 80% forested land.
2014-01-19 02:54:11 PM  
1 vote:
Cougars tend to go after young bucks, ignoring the bitter old ones.
2014-01-19 02:36:36 PM  
1 vote:

Silentbob768768: We used to have coyotes up in north jersey at least but they gradually disappeared with commercial and residential development.

That actually surprises me. We have a ton of them in downtown Chicago. Heck I used to see a small pack/couple roll around Lincoln Park late at night when I lived over there. They loved getting themselves some of the thousands of rabbits per square yard there during the spring.
2014-01-19 02:35:53 PM  
1 vote:
There's mountain lions too but not very many it seems
2014-01-19 02:35:42 PM  
1 vote:

ArcadianRefugee: Oldiron_79: If you want to reduce deer you probably want a bigger predator like wolves or cougars.

Why not just expand hunting season?

The problem areas with over population is in the burbs where most property owners are probably not gonna allow hunting in thier back yard.
2014-01-19 02:35:39 PM  
1 vote:
That the insurance companies and the government have not copped to coyote trafficking hasn't swayed his belief.

"I don't expect them to admit it," he said. "Why would they? There's no smoking gun. It's just a philosophy. But when enough people believe in the philosophy, it becomes more than that."

2014-01-19 02:32:11 PM  
1 vote:
Also, Road Runner / Wile E Coyote trifecta in play?
2014-01-19 02:31:49 PM  
1 vote:
At last a brewing scandal which Governor Chris Christie had nothing to do with.

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Or, didn't he?
2014-01-19 02:23:12 PM  
1 vote:
"So if you have 45 minutes I'd like to tell you about our lord Jesus Christ."

/or something like that
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