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2014-01-13 1:22:15 PM  
FTFA: "The uproar prompted at least nine prominent musical acts - from contemporary folks group Barenaked Ladies to country star Trace Adkins - to pull out of concerts that had been scheduled to begin next month at SeaWorld Orlando."

That's what it would take to make me want to go back to SeaWorld.
 
2014-01-13 1:50:46 PM  
It's like Fox News: people go to it who hate them just to see it with their own eyes.
 
2014-01-13 2:18:35 PM  
Come see Shamu now, before libs ban him forever!
 
2014-01-13 2:30:11 PM  
Everybody loves a train wreck.
 
2014-01-13 2:30:11 PM  
Who can refuse a free willy?
 
2014-01-13 2:31:20 PM  
Paula Deen appreciation night followed by feed your favorite dolphin Chic Fil A and then Duck Dynasty After Dark did fantastic. They have genius marketers.
 
2014-01-13 2:32:08 PM  
7th... dnrtfa  yet
 
2014-01-13 2:34:55 PM  
Like watching NASCAR for the wrecks!
 
2014-01-13 2:35:52 PM  
SeaWorld just filed an IPO back in April? I figured they would've had stock for decades now....
 
2014-01-13 2:36:56 PM  
goddammit.
 
2014-01-13 2:39:23 PM  
What me?  I didn't do nothin

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2014-01-13 2:42:32 PM  
Don't worry; I heard they hired the best defense attorney in the universe to get Orla Shipley acquitted, so that hit piece is woefully out-of-date.
 
2014-01-13 2:43:27 PM  
I haven't seen the documentary, and have no interest in it.  I'm sure that just like every other documentary of the type, it's full of innacuracies about how cruel it is to keep animals like this in captivity.

Under some circumstances, I'm sure that this is true.  But it's not like Sea World goes on yearly hunts to capture these animals from the wild.  They are rescues, or born in captivity.  These are animals that could not survive on their own in the wild.

Does that mean it's just spiffy to teach them tricks that make humans clap in amusement?  Well, maybe not exactly.  But it does pay the extraordinary cost of housing and caring for them.  And the training is not cruel.  Not to mention that there is a lot of really good solid science coming from it.

Sorry that a couple of handlers have recently gotten killed by some unfortunate mishap.  But these people go into that profession knowing the danger.
 
2014-01-13 2:46:55 PM  

durbnpoisn: I haven't seen the documentary, and have no interest in it.  I'm sure that just like every other documentary of the type, it's full of innacuracies about how cruel it is to keep animals like this in captivity.

Under some circumstances, I'm sure that this is true.  But it's not like Sea World goes on yearly hunts to capture these animals from the wild.  They are rescues, or born in captivity.  These are animals that could not survive on their own in the wild.

Does that mean it's just spiffy to teach them tricks that make humans clap in amusement?  Well, maybe not exactly.  But it does pay the extraordinary cost of housing and caring for them.  And the training is not cruel.  Not to mention that there is a lot of really good solid science coming from it.

Sorry that a couple of handlers have recently gotten killed by some unfortunate mishap.  But these people go into that profession knowing the danger.


It's not a bad flick, lots of very entertaining marine mammal acrobatics, those were my favorite parts.  Then all these stupid bipedal land mammals get on there talking all this derp derpy or whatever, that part was really boring.  But the parts with the whales was really good.
 
2014-01-13 2:47:44 PM  

durbnpoisn: But it's not like Sea World goes on yearly hunts to capture these animals from the wild.


You know how they used to get the animals? You know how they got a hold of the one particular whale that caused the latest round of issues?

durbnpoisn: But these people go into that profession knowing the danger.


Maybe you should watch the documentary where they discuss this. These people aren't marine biologists, or animal behaviorists, etc. They don't have degrees in this sort of thing. They are performers that work with whales.

Also, "knowing the danger" is one of those things that SeaWorld has been trying to downplay. OSHA recently handed down some regulations that states the performers can't be in the water with the whales because of said danger. OSHA said that SeaWorld "had violated the general duty clause of the Occupational Safety and Health Act, saying it exposed its workers to a known hazard in the workplace."
http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/12/us/seaworld-court-challenge/
 
2014-01-13 2:47:54 PM  

ShawnDoc: Come see Shamu now, before libs ban him forever!


Why do you hate freedom?
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2014-01-13 2:53:38 PM  
I find it entertaining that whenever libs get their collective panties in a bunch over something, that particular thing suddenly becomes more profitable or popular.
 
2014-01-13 2:55:47 PM  
While I am no tree-hugging-eco-freak I think that Blackfish had some very valid observations about the issue.
 
2014-01-13 2:57:53 PM  

Whodat: While I am no tree-hugging-eco-freak I think that Blackfish had some very valid observations about the issue.


They didn't go over the top with it, either.
 
2014-01-13 2:58:43 PM  
The ocean's very own vicious godless killing machines trained to do circus tricks for a bunch of hooting hairless apes in America's most specialest state.
 
2014-01-13 2:59:54 PM  
That's farked up, actually. And I'm no tree hugger either but until you see the doc, STFU about the hippies who are protesting the place.
 
2014-01-13 3:03:28 PM  

MilesTeg: I find it entertaining that whenever libs get their collective panties in a bunch over something, that particular thing suddenly becomes more profitable or popular.


Yes, because so many Americans are overgrown selfish children who have kneejerk reactions when someone suggests they are doing something that is wrong.

Tell a bully child they shoudn't kick their puppy and they'll break its neck in front of you just to assert they can do what they want and take pleasure in your dismay.
 
2014-01-13 3:03:32 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: It's like Fox News: people go to it who hate them just to see it with their own eyes.


It's really amazing.  You wouldn't believe what I've seen and heard lately over there.

Full disclosure: I practically live across the street from SeaWorld, and I have an annual pass.  I have not yet seen the documentary.

Due to a surgery I had this year I need to do alot of walking.  I'll often go over to the park just do take my walks.  It's more interesting than my neighborhood.  So whether I go for events, rides, exhibits, or just a nice long walk, I'm there quite often.

I can't respond to the movie since I haven't seen it.  But since it was released, I've witnessed a surprising number of incidents of hostility toward the park workers.

During their Christmas stuff, I was getting a beer and burger in the Christmas Village and this lady walked right up to the booth and started screaming at the beer wench.  "How could you work at a place that tortures animals?!  You should be ashamed of yourself!"

Um...this screaming lady just paid $80 plus to subsidize this so-called torture of animals.  WTF?

All I can say until I can respond directly to the movie is that I don't think an absolutist position is helpful either way.  For as much as they need to make improvements in the care of the animals, they do do much good in terms of rescue (and rehabilitation where possible).  Hell, they used to let kids on the Killer Whales in the beginning.  They continue to evolve.  And I think if the choice is between dying in the wild or living in captivity, captivity is preferable.  Some rescued animals cannot be returned to the wild.

In general, I don't agree with capturing the mammals.  I guess I'm on the fence of mating them and only keeping ones who have always lived in captivity.

And while improvements need to be made, you can't deny the service they provide in rescuing animals.  After big Gulf oil spill, they had acres of kiddie pools set up to care for the sea turtles.  There was literally no other place that could accommodate them.  That's just one example.

I was kind of looking forward to the Blues and BBQ thing.  I've never been.  I wonder what it will be like now.  The park people I speak to are all mum.
 
2014-01-13 3:09:13 PM  

durbnpoisn: I haven't seen the documentary, and have no interest in it.  I'm sure that just like every other documentary of the type, it's full of innacuracies about how cruel it is to keep animals like this in captivity.

Under some circumstances, I'm sure that this is true.  But it's not like Sea World goes on yearly hunts to capture these animals from the wild.  They are rescues, or born in captivity.  These are animals that could not survive on their own in the wild.

Does that mean it's just spiffy to teach them tricks that make humans clap in amusement?  Well, maybe not exactly.  But it does pay the extraordinary cost of housing and caring for them.  And the training is not cruel.  Not to mention that there is a lot of really good solid science coming from it.

Sorry that a couple of handlers have recently gotten killed by some unfortunate mishap.  But these people go into that profession knowing the danger.


You should really watch this before you assume its contents. One whale in particular that killed a couple of trainers was not rescued, nor born in captivity. Seaworld also specifically did not tell the trainers about this whale's past, so they in fact did not know the danger when they went into that profession.

/good jorb.
 
2014-01-13 3:09:31 PM  

Diogenes: And while improvements need to be made, you can't deny the service they provide in rescuing animals.


You're thinking of Busch Gardens, which is admittedly owned by the same company but they're the ones who help the animals and give them habitats where they don't have to do tricks and they don't torture them.

I'm not going to go into the doc, most of which is confirmed by people I know who worked there. Mostly because I'm eating but I'll just say don't watch it if you don't want to feel like an asshole for ever going there again.
 
2014-01-13 3:12:05 PM  

Diogenes: Um...this screaming lady just paid $80 plus to subsidize this so-called torture of animals. WTF?


exactly, WTF.

You can't picket outside?!
 
2014-01-13 3:16:09 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Diogenes: Um...this screaming lady just paid $80 plus to subsidize this so-called torture of animals. WTF?

exactly, WTF.

You can't picket outside?!


Yeah,  I don't agree with farking with the poor girl working at the concession stand. Nor is it effective to pay the ticket price just to go in and protest. Still, the place is farked up and they outright torture animals that are extremely intelligent an emotional.
 
2014-01-13 3:18:36 PM  

Diogenes: PC LOAD LETTER: It's like Fox News: people go to it who hate them just to see it with their own eyes.

It's really amazing.  You wouldn't believe what I've seen and heard lately over there.

Full disclosure:  I practically live across the street from SeaWorld, and I have an annual pass.  I have not yet seen the documentary.

Due to a surgery I had this year I need to do alot of walking.  I'll often go over to the park just do take my walks.  It's more interesting than my neighborhood.  So whether I go for events, rides, exhibits, or just a nice long walk, I'm there quite often.

I can't respond to the movie since I haven't seen it.  But since it was released, I've witnessed a surprising number of incidents of hostility toward the park workers.

During their Christmas stuff, I was getting a beer and burger in the Christmas Village and this lady walked right up to the booth and started screaming at the beer wench.  "How could you work at a place that tortures animals?!  You should be ashamed of yourself!"

Um...this screaming lady just paid $80 plus to subsidize this so-called torture of animals.  WTF?

All I can say until I can respond directly to the movie is that I don't think an absolutist position is helpful either way.  For as much as they need to make improvements in the care of the animals, they do do much good in terms of rescue (and rehabilitation where possible).  Hell, they used to let kids on the Killer Whales in the beginning.  They continue to evolve.  And I think if the choice is between dying in the wild or living in captivity, captivity is preferable.  Some rescued animals cannot be returned to the wild.

In general, I don't agree with capturing the mammals.  I guess I'm on the fence of mating them and only keeping ones who have always lived in captivity.

And while improvements need to be made, you can't deny the service they provide in rescuing animals.  After big Gulf oil spill, they had acres of kiddie pools set up to care for the sea turtles.  T ...


My family and I maintain funcards every year, the Blues and BBQ event is fun if you like the performers they bring in, but the BBQ teams that come are only alright in my experience. But I'm pretty particular about my Q.
 
2014-01-13 3:27:05 PM  
I thought about going when Joan Jett cancelled, but Barenaked ladies canceling is what really sold me on it. Bought my tickets for next weekend, can't wait to see all the rescued marine life and not have to deal with horrible has-been bands on the fair circuit.
 
2014-01-13 3:29:39 PM  

SpectroBoy: Like watching NASCAR for the wrecks!


This. You can say, "How horrible!" all you want, but when there's a car crash, everyone wants a look.
 
2014-01-13 3:30:40 PM  

Mugato: You're thinking of Busch Gardens, which is admittedly owned by the same company but they're the ones who help the animals and give them habitats where they don't have to do tricks and they don't torture them.


I'm not really arguing here, but is that really the case?  Anheuser-Busch sold it to Blackstone.  And according to Wiki, the rehab, rescue and conservation efforts are ongoing regardless of ownership.

I also wonder why the other parks (Busch Gardens Tampa, Disney Animal Kingdom) don't face the same flack.  Sure, the trainer death was huge - but the core criticisms should apply to all.  I know Disney anticipated it and proactively got people like Jane Goodall to speak on their behalf.

I do intend to watch it.  Selfishly, I've been waiting until my annual pass runs out :-(  But I've been burned by too many of these expose documentaries so I do intend to watch it with a critical eye and research what I can when I do.

I'm a huge animal lover.  And it doesn't take a documentary to tell me the Polar Bear at SeaWorld is farking depressed.
 
2014-01-13 3:31:42 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Diogenes: Um...this screaming lady just paid $80 plus to subsidize this so-called torture of animals. WTF?

exactly, WTF.

You can't picket outside?!


They can and do.  And fark with my traffic.
 
2014-01-13 3:32:53 PM  

Diogenes: I also wonder why the other parks (Busch Gardens Tampa, Disney Animal Kingdom) don't face the same flack.


It's because killer whales and dolphins are much more intelligent than let's say, bears or your average middle american.
 
2014-01-13 3:37:31 PM  

Diogenes: Mugato: You're thinking of Busch Gardens, which is admittedly owned by the same company but they're the ones who help the animals and give them habitats where they don't have to do tricks and they don't torture them.

I'm not really arguing here, but is that really the case?  Anheuser-Busch sold it to Blackstone.  And according to Wiki, the rehab, rescue and conservation efforts are ongoing regardless of ownership.

I also wonder why the other parks (Busch Gardens Tampa, Disney Animal Kingdom) don't face the same flack.  Sure, the trainer death was huge - but the core criticisms should apply to all.  I know Disney anticipated it and proactively got people like Jane Goodall to speak on their behalf.

I do intend to watch it.  Selfishly, I've been waiting until my annual pass runs out :-(  But I've been burned by too many of these expose documentaries so I do intend to watch it with a critical eye and research what I can when I do.

I'm a huge animal lover.  And it doesn't take a documentary to tell me the Polar Bear at SeaWorld is farking depressed.


I'm not convinced he's not an animatronic, I've never seen it move.
 
2014-01-13 3:37:40 PM  

Diogenes: I also wonder why the other parks (Busch Gardens Tampa, Disney Animal Kingdom) don't face the same flack.


They don't, not even close. This isn't like, "well all zoos"...No. You'll understand if you just watch it.
 
2014-01-13 3:39:31 PM  

AgentPothead: Diogenes: I also wonder why the other parks (Busch Gardens Tampa, Disney Animal Kingdom) don't face the same flack.

It's because killer whales and dolphins are much more intelligent than let's say, bears or your average middle american.


Fun fact - killer whales are dolphins.

But yeah, their superior intelligence is evident when I see some of the people at the parks.  Dumbasses constantly putting crap in the water at the dolphin area despite being told otherwise 1000 times (and despite common farking sense).

Mugato -- serious question.  You had said, " give them habitats where they don't have to do tricks and they don't torture them."

Would your opinion change if they canned the live performances?  If so, what would be a good way to keep them stimulated?

I will say I am rather impressed with the penguin exhibit.  Those things are mating like crazy, which was totally unexpected (at least to this degree).  You get to see them up close, but they're not used for performances.
 
2014-01-13 3:41:00 PM  

Mugato: Diogenes: I also wonder why the other parks (Busch Gardens Tampa, Disney Animal Kingdom) don't face the same flack.

They don't, not even close. This isn't like, "well all zoos"...No. You'll understand if you just watch it.


Fair enough.  Some people are de facto 100% against any animals in captivity.  I wasn't sure precisely which angle you were coming from.
 
2014-01-13 3:42:57 PM  

AgentPothead: Diogenes: I also wonder why the other parks (Busch Gardens Tampa, Disney Animal Kingdom) don't face the same flack.



It's because killer whales and dolphins are much more intelligent than let's say, bears or your average middle american.Fark troll.



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2014-01-13 3:47:44 PM  

durbnpoisn: I haven't seen the documentary, and have no interest in it.  
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Sorry that a couple of handlers have recently gotten killed by some unfortunate mishap.  But these people go into that profession knowing the danger.


You should watch the documentary, otherwise you wouldn't sound so blatantly stupid in your last paragraph.
 
2014-01-13 3:48:37 PM  

Diogenes: Mugato -- serious question.  You had said, " give them habitats where they don't have to do tricks and they don't torture them."

Would your opinion change if they canned the live performances?  If so, what would be a good way to keep them stimulated?


Well like with the "safari" ride at Animal Kingdom, you ride through a large Serengeti- like environment and the animals will be there to see or they won't. They never know what animals are going to show up. Now obviously ultimately they are somewhat confined as far as the perimeter of the park but then again, they're not being poached, like they would be if they were in Africa.

It's a false equivalency to compare that to what goes on with the whales at Seaworld. But I don't know anything about the penguins.
 
2014-01-13 3:49:33 PM  
Funny how Seaworld says revenues are up, but they don't reveal attendance numbers.

Says to me they probably jacked up the cost of parking, souvenirs and/or food at the park to fewer people.
 
2014-01-13 3:59:45 PM  

LessO2: Funny how Seaworld says revenues are up, but they don't reveal attendance numbers.

Says to me they probably jacked up the cost of parking, souvenirs and/or food at the park to fewer people.


First year I had the pass so I can't really gauge the attendance.

Parking is farking insane though.  The pass has paid for itself 10 times over just on parking alone.

Might be a moot point, soon!  Might have to just stick to Universal.   Mugato's making me fear my inevitable reaction to Blackfish ;-)
 
2014-01-13 4:00:33 PM  
Say what you want about the treatment of animals.  Everyone has an opinion on it.  The thing that I don't think gets enough talk is the roll of outreach these parks play in getting the general public to get off their butts to do something about conservationism.  It's sad, but without zoos and marine parks, the general public probably wouldn't give a fark about animals and conservationism.

If you think about it, how many people would have cared about dolphin safe tuna had not seen flipper at Sea World last year with their family.  How many people would give a rats about the plight of rhinos or elephants in Africa had they not seen the one at the zoo or circus?  How many kids who went to a zoo or marine park who have been taught about protecting the species and care of their habitat?  Where else would they have learned that?

As much as people hate zoos and marine parks, there has been no better outreach campaign to strike a chord in the general public to do something about the larger picture than to put these animals on display.  Now, can they do it in a more tasteful way?  Sure.  Parks have certainly evolved over the past 30 years and will continue to do so.  But it's a fact of life that zoos and marine parks bring in the money, and without that money, the outreach campaign for the care and survival of species would be essentially reduced to Alyssa Milano save the animals ads.  It's one tough pill for these advocates to face and I don't think it's something they care to admit.
 
2014-01-13 4:05:40 PM  

Diogenes: Might be a moot point, soon!  Might have to just stick to Universal.   Mugato's making me fear my inevitable reaction to Blackfish ;-)


At Universal they don't mistreat the dinosaurs at Jurassic Park or the dragon at Harry Potter. They did blow the shark up at Jaws but they closed that for more Harry Potter.
 
2014-01-13 4:05:53 PM  

gizmo22: Say what you want about the treatment of animals.  Everyone has an opinion on it.  The thing that I don't think gets enough talk is the roll of outreach these parks play in getting the general public to get off their butts to do something about conservationism.  It's sad, but without zoos and marine parks, the general public probably wouldn't give a fark about animals and conservationism.

If you think about it, how many people would have cared about dolphin safe tuna had not seen flipper at Sea World last year with their family.  How many people would give a rats about the plight of rhinos or elephants in Africa had they not seen the one at the zoo or circus?  How many kids who went to a zoo or marine park who have been taught about protecting the species and care of their habitat?  Where else would they have learned that?

As much as people hate zoos and marine parks, there has been no better outreach campaign to strike a chord in the general public to do something about the larger picture than to put these animals on display.  Now, can they do it in a more tasteful way?  Sure.  Parks have certainly evolved over the past 30 years and will continue to do so.  But it's a fact of life that zoos and marine parks bring in the money, and without that money, the outreach campaign for the care and survival of species would be essentially reduced to Alyssa Milano save the animals ads.  It's one tough pill for these advocates to face and I don't think it's something they care to admit.


Well said.  It certainly is a double-edged sword.

Maybe the answer is to ditch the trained-animal stunt show extravaganza stuff and go the passive participation route.

Their Turtle Trek exhibit is rather nice.  And it is educational and achieves the goals you stated.  And as I said, the penguin thing is top notch.
 
2014-01-13 4:07:16 PM  

Mugato: Diogenes: Might be a moot point, soon!  Might have to just stick to Universal.   Mugato's making me fear my inevitable reaction to Blackfish ;-)

At Universal they don't mistreat the dinosaurs at Jurassic Park or the dragon at Harry Potter. They did blow the shark up at Jaws but they closed that for more Harry Potter.


Oh, sure.  Give King Kong a pass!  That exhibit just disappeared and was never spoken of again.

I didn't eat a burger there for years after that.
 
2014-01-13 4:12:23 PM  

gizmo22: How many kids who went to a zoo or marine park who have been taught about protecting the species and care of their habitat? Where else would they have learned that?


Books. Television. Netflix.

It's not 1909 anymore. You don't need to put a killer whale in a pen to convince me it exists.
 
2014-01-13 4:12:58 PM  

gizmo22: As much as people hate zoos and marine parks, there has been no better outreach campaign to strike a chord in the general public to do something about the larger picture than to put these animals on display.  Now, can they do it in a more tasteful way?  Sure.  Parks have certainly evolved over the past 30 years and will continue to do so.  But it's a fact of life that zoos and marine parks bring in the money, and without that money, the outreach campaign for the care and survival of species would be essentially reduced to Alyssa Milano save the animals ads.  It's one tough pill for these advocates to face and I don't think it's something they care to admit.


My wife isn't a big fan of zoos, etc. I've explained a lot to her that zoos have advanced quite a bit in their habitats for the animals, the breeding, preservation, etc. What I think is different between a place that says "here's some animals in a half-way appropriate environment to what they experience in the wild", SeaWorld is more about putting the animals on display and almost exploiting them. Dolphins and killer whales don't have people riding around on/with them multiple times a day. They don't exhibit these behaviors in the wild in exchange for treats. There is a bit more exploitative nature to the dolphin/orca stuff at SeaWorld.
 
2014-01-13 4:14:42 PM  

gizmo22: If you think about it, how many people would have cared about dolphin safe tuna had not seen flipper at Sea World last year with their family.  How many people would give a rats about the plight of rhinos or elephants in Africa had they not seen the one at the zoo or circus?  How many kids who went to a zoo or marine park who have been taught about protecting the species and care of their habitat?  Where else would they have learned that?


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2014-01-13 4:19:50 PM  

impaler: gizmo22: If you think about it, how many people would have cared about dolphin safe tuna had not seen flipper at Sea World last year with their family.  How many people would give a rats about the plight of rhinos or elephants in Africa had they not seen the one at the zoo or circus?  How many kids who went to a zoo or marine park who have been taught about protecting the species and care of their habitat?  Where else would they have learned that?

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CSB.  My mother's cat watches Meerkat Manor.  He comes running when she puts it on, gets right up on the coffee table, and sits there and stares at it.

She called me the other day to say she put on that sled dog movie "Eight Below" - and the same thing.  Cat gets weirder by the minute.
 
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