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(Arizona Sports)   You can have the game winning hit in the bottom of the ninth in the seventh game of one of the most memorable World Series ever and still only get .9% of the votes needed to go into the Hall of Fame   ( arizonasports.com) divider line
    More: Sad, Luis Gonzalez, World Series, Diamondbacks, Tom Glavine, Greg Maddux, Silver Slugger, Baseball Writers Association of America, Major League Baseball  
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2014-01-09 07:26:05 AM  
4 votes:
Because if he hadn't been juiced to the eyeballs that year, Rivera sends him and a couple of busted-ass bats back to the dugout.

Luis Gonzalez is Brady Anderson on a team with a better pitching staff.
2014-01-09 06:57:30 AM  
3 votes:
I've been a D-backs fan since it was announced we got a team (previously the Cubs but that's because I grew up 1 mile from Hohokam Stadium), but seriously, Gonzo isn't a HoFer.
2014-01-09 02:32:13 PM  
2 votes:
Let them all 'roid out... enhance the players with cybernetics. Breed players with custom genetics.

Embrace the future - Baseball, basketball, football (not Hockey, those guys already play at an insane physical level anyway) - let's see how far a human being can be pushed. Let them sign waivers and let the games begin!!

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2014-01-09 10:37:47 AM  
2 votes:

Gunderson: McGuire

desertgeek: McGuire

JusticeandIndependence: McGuire

steamingpile: McGuire

This is my reason why he shouldn't be in. Half the internet can't spell his name.
2014-01-09 04:13:52 PM  
1 vote:

desertgeek: Pre-roids, McGuire and Sosa were average players. They don't belong.

What?  McGwire was an All-Star 8 or 9 times (not to mention Rooke of the Year) before he started to juice.  He helped the A's to 3 World Series appearances in 3 years.  Are you sure about that?

Not saying he deserves to be HoF now, but he had a pretty good chance before he went boneheaded with juicing.
2014-01-09 01:54:25 PM  
1 vote:

Rex_Banner: All those great diving catches that Jim Edmunds made? Andruw Jones also caught those balls. He just got there a couple steps quicker and either camped out under them or caught them on the run

This is precisely why Jeter is not nearly as good defensively as every layman thinks. All those amazing dives, and catch-and-spin throws? Even an average shortstop makes that as a routine play.

Jeter turned routine plays into highlight reel dives and stops.
2014-01-09 12:40:03 PM  
1 vote:

Slow To Return: Makes me wonder why players even bother with steroids ... sounds like they're useless.

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I know, right?

/too soon?
2014-01-09 12:25:48 PM  
1 vote:

yakmans_dad: yakmans_dad: Arkanaut: yakmans_dad: Who was also the best fielding 2nd baseman ever. By a large margin.

Gulper Eel: Who was also one of the best defensive second basemen ever.

Yeah, and it took the Veterans Committee to get him in.  The BBWAA doesn't care about fielding, they care about offense.

Brooks Robinson batted .267 for his career and is one of a handful of players to get into the Hall on the first ballot.

I just checked. The other contender for greatest fielding 3rd baseman ever also batted .267 for his career and also made it into the Hall of Fame on his first try. Interesting, yes?

Michael Jack Schmidt? Are you seriously going to argue he was a poor hitter?

Maybe it's time to leave, I don't even know who's trolling whom anymore.
2014-01-09 12:22:40 PM  
1 vote:
The difference between the current batch of dopers is that it is and was expressly forbidden by the rules of baseball.  The use of performance enhancing drugs was against the written rules of baseball.  You can thank the players' union for not allowing that rule to be enforced, but it doesn't mean it didn't exist.  What Mantle and Ruth are accused of was not against the rules of baseball at the time
2014-01-09 11:38:48 AM  
1 vote:

machoprogrammer: He even sharpened his spikes to injure guys when he slid into bases; intentionally trying to injure coworkers is certainly not cool.

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...who just put you on your ass with a little something near your adams-apple.

The Cobb spikes thing is apocryphal at best - and old-time ballplayers were as a rule some hard-ass bastards.
2014-01-09 11:11:33 AM  
1 vote:

steamingpile: ladodger34: steamingpile: JusticeandIndependence: Gunny Highway: JusticeandIndependence: So?

Don;t act like it isnt an issue for some people.

It is.  I know that.  But it's stupid to cherry pick who they think did juice and who didn't and then vote for HOF.  My take is that they knew players were juicing at that time and rode the wave of fun that home runs and record smashing that went with it.  Now they are being very hypocritical about it.

Sorry some were obvious and would never have gotten in or been a superstar without using, Clemens career would have been over 5-6 years earlier if he didn't use. McGuire and Sosa wouldn't even be mentioned without using and hitting all those HRs. Bonds would have gotten in with his pre steroid stats but most feel his ego farked up his chances then his sanctimonious denials when its obvious he was using pisses a lot of people off and rightly so.

Oh and whoever said it earlier, biggio is good but not even close to a first ballot HoF player, he's average in almost every way.

I can assure you, a .363 lifetime OBP is well, well above average.

When only 20 guys who have played baseball have more hits than Biggio, that isn't average. If you are ranked 15 on the runs scored list, you aren't average. When only 17 guys have been on bases more often than him, that isn't average. My goodness, he hit 291 HR for a guy that was essentially a table setter.

When you start getting into top 20 all time lists for things like hits, runs scored, and being on base you aren't even close to be average. You are an all time great.

All of his stats are related to his longevity, except his obp and that mainly has to do with him always getting hit by pitches.

He was good but the earlier guy was saying he's automatic first ballot HoFer and that's just not true. And his longevity could be suspect since one of his good friends was a known user, I don't think there is much proof but he went an awful long time at a physical position without being injured.

Biggio was a compiler. So be it. Too often, people discount compilers. They forget that to be a compiler, you have to be good for a very long time to pile up all of those stats and there is a ton of value for teams to have a guy that puts up consistently good/great numbers for 20 years.

Holy hell, a guy with a career .363 obp for 5 years would nice to have.

Again, you start creeping into top 20 lists for getting on base and scoring runs you are pretty great and it shouldn't even be a debate.
2014-01-09 10:15:27 AM  
1 vote:

EyeballKid: R.E.D DAD: Hell, the guy even went an entire season without hitting into a double play.

That would have required somebody else on the Astros to get on base, wouldn't it?

Well played sir.
2014-01-09 10:04:58 AM  
1 vote:

R.E.D DAD: Hell, the guy even went an entire season without hitting into a double play.

That would have required somebody else on the Astros to get on base, wouldn't it?
2014-01-09 09:49:10 AM  
1 vote:
I like how the BBWAA now gets to pretend that they weren't complicit with the steroid era.

http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/wilbur/2011/01/you_know_what _a .html
2014-01-09 09:37:36 AM  
1 vote:
Joe Carter got less than 4% in his year on the ballot and he hit one of the most dramatic home runs in World Series history. He also didn't have a suspiciously huge one-year boost in home run production.

And the headline is slightly off. Gonzo didn't get .9% of the votes needed, he got .9% of the votes, so it was more like 1.2% of the 75% needed. TFA is a little misleading too. They called it his first attempt, but you need 5% just to stay on the ballot, so it was really his only shot. I wouldn't count on the Veterans Committee.
2014-01-09 09:32:48 AM  
1 vote:
He and Don Larsen should have a beer together. Maybe invite Joe Carter along.
2014-01-09 09:27:42 AM  
1 vote:
As a general rule, if I, as a casual fan, have no idea who you are, you don't belong in the hall of fame
2014-01-09 09:26:36 AM  
1 vote:
It doesn't help if the best years of your career were spent in Arizona
2014-01-09 09:22:59 AM  
1 vote:
Being clutch in one at-bat does not a Hall of Famer make
2014-01-09 09:13:42 AM  
1 vote:
His best year he was the fourth best player (by WAR) and the three ahead of him aren't in either
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