Firethorn: They've done it. The listing of ingredients found has generally been innocent enough that it's a non-news story.
Firethorn: Do you use an autopippetor when you're cooking dinner? That's 'making a product human beings are ingesting'.
Firethorn: Does he need 'hazmat books'? Isn't he handling precisely ONE potentially poisonous chemical? MSDS sheets are a standard requirement
Firethorn: if he's doing it right
Firethorn: Though if he cares about his product & customers the answer would be simple - don't use or sell contaminated product.
HeartBurnKid: I suppose, since you seem to think my arguing for home brewers to have the ability to mix their own juice
mccallcl: Have they tested for nicotine content and compared it against the label on the bottle? There is no way I'm believing the dosage is accurate to 1%, unless the mix is done in a chemical manufacturing setup with automated measuring tools. I'd bet a paycheck that if you buy 1000 bottles from reputable mixers, you're going to find many are way off. Especially if you buy at retail locations that mix-to-order.
mccallcl: Stretch this to the scale of millions of users using several times each day, and someone is gonna get sick eventually from PG stored on the floor where rats can get into it, or some other manufacturing foul-up or tampering and the tobacco lobby is going to capitalize and then party's over.
mccallcl: The bottles aren't even tamper-proof. We expect more from a bottle of saline solution or rubbing alcohol. Ever handle a bunch of plastic stuff you get from China? By the end of the day, your hands are filthy. That's going into peoples' bodies if you don't rinse the bottles. The list goes on and on, the profit margins are huge and the work can be done artisinally and domestically because there are no regulations in place and the product is not tested for contaminants or accuracy.
DisplacedTexan: Horrorshow: Pangea: Horrorshow: The patches and nasal stuff and gum and pills don't address a significant part of the habit, which is the rituals involved in smoking. This does.I don't want to be labeled as an activist ex-smoker, I merely want to offer my input related to my success quitting. The key for me was to break the ritual, more than the nicotine. I went on the patch and whenever I got a craving I relied on the fact that the patch was providing the nicotine I thought I wanted.The psychological connection between a behavior followed by an immediate result reinforced the behavior for me. That's why vaping, nasal spray, or even the gum wouldn't work for me. Having a craving? Pop a piece of gum and get the result. I became dependent on whatever thing gave me the result.The patch separated the weaning off nicotine from the oral-fixation and immediate response to an activity. Good luck in quitting.No worries and no offense. I've tried all the other methods over the last 30 years. Not saying it'll work for everyone, but I've had more success in two days with vaping than with any other attempt. Of course it's only day 2.... :)Good luck, sir! I finished my last pack of Marlboro Reds on Friday evening and have had nothing except for the eGo-CTwist (18mg) since then. I've never made it a full day without at least 1 cigarette in previous attempts so this is the first time I've actually thought that MAYBE there's a chance to eliminate a 23 year bad habit.At this point, I'm not worried about the fact that I'm REPLACING one habit with another. This one's cheaper...and less offensive to my wife and kids...and some of the juices are rather tasty...and I haven't killed anyone yet.
Firethorn: Make up your mind; accuracy within 1% is a different standard than 'way off'. In my mind
Firethorn: If I'm doing it hundreds of times a day I'd probably be getting the machine simply as a labor saving measure.
Firethorn: Tamper proof containers are mostly for product that is either a theft risk or there's fear of adulteration due to being on store shelves and what not.
Firethorn: Or do you mean child-resistant packaging?
Firethorn: By the way I think that once you move past 'Boutique' you need to take more complicated steps.
Firethorn: Do you have any evidence that the nicotine/PG would harm the sewer system?
mccallcl: So I am more interested in making sure that driving to get iced cream (easily more dangerous, selfish and anti-social than smoking)
LindenFark: mccallcl: So I am more interested in making sure that driving to get iced cream (easily more dangerous, selfish and anti-social than smoking)You could quibble with the CDCs methodology, but you would have to massage their numbers by over an order of magnitude to align with your world view:U.S. Deaths per year from driving accidents: 42,000 (includes alcohol-related)U.S. Deaths per year from smoking: 440,000 (includes second hand smoke)U.S. Deaths per year from second hand smoke: 49,000http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0908129.htmlhttp://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effect s/ tobacco_related_mortality/I would also say that sharing food is much more social than smoking tobacco, but that's a subjective opinion. One could theoretically come up with a way to measure that, but I don't have the data.
mccallcl: LindenFark: mccallcl: So I am more interested in making sure that driving to get iced cream (easily more dangerous, selfish and anti-social than smoking)You could quibble with the CDCs methodology, but you would have to massage their numbers by over an order of magnitude to align with your world view:U.S. Deaths per year from driving accidents: 42,000 (includes alcohol-related)U.S. Deaths per year from smoking: 440,000 (includes second hand smoke)U.S. Deaths per year from second hand smoke: 49,000http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0908129.htmlhttp://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effect s/ tobacco_related_mortality/I would also say that sharing food is much more social than smoking tobacco, but that's a subjective opinion. One could theoretically come up with a way to measure that, but I don't have the data.I said more dangerous not more deadly. 3,000,000 injured per year in car accidents:http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811552.pdfSorry you misunderstood thanks for the research though, good attempt.
mccallcl: But I'll entertain it: +- 1% is way off for dosage of a chemical with mood-altering effects that has a relatively low threshold for overdose or toxicity.
mccallcl: Out of curiosity, what's your angle here? Do you make e-liquids? Just an anti-regulation freak? Bored idiot?
mccallcl: Manage as a dangerous waste at a RCRA-permitted facility. It is a violation of the Dangerous Waste Regulations to dispose of these pharmaceuticals in the sewer, sharps container, or a regulated medical waste container.Under the Dangerous Waste Regulations, accumulating more than 2.2 pounds of any P-listed waste, including nicotine, will make you a large quantity generator. See the regulations for more information: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=173-303 Chapter 173-303 WAC.
stoli n coke: Incidentally, you also shouldn't let your kids take big ol' swigs of bleach, lighter fluid, drain cleaner, cough syrup, axle grease, lye, hair spray, Windex, diswashing soap, WD40, or silver polish.
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