Treygreen13: netweavr: How about: * The player must put the ball through the uprights during the course of the TD play for the extra point.Well isn't the play over immediately when you are standing in the end zone with the ball or gone all the way to the ground with the catch? If you threw it through the goal posts before you scored the TD it's not a TD.
netweavr: How about: * The player must put the ball through the uprights during the course of the TD play for the extra point.
netweavr: That would have to be amended along with "forward passing" rules (I'm randomly speculating). If you're downed in the end-zone, you only get 6. If you can get the ball through prior to being tackled, then you get the extra point. If you throw the ball threw prior to crossing the plane, then it's a touch-back and you're cut from the team.
jack_o_the_hills: Treygreen13: GregoryD: and now you knowNot sure the guys who come to every thread and brag about soccer really care about word etymology.Yes, because bragging about soccer is EXACTLY what I was doing there. Care to dazzle us with any other brilliant bits of enlightened observation from your endless pool of knowledge? Don't get your vagoo all sanded there Football Defender™.. I don't care for either game.
wheatpennyandaglock: 40 yards in = 340 -50 = 450 - 60= 560 plus = 6
SlothB77: wheatpennyandaglock: 40 yards in = 340 -50 = 450 - 60= 560 plus = 6now we are getting into fantasy football-type scoring with this.I've always liked the idea of a missed XP being -5 points. It doesn't happen often, but when it does happen, it will hurt like a biatch. The detroit/ philly game in the snow was fun to watch because they couldn't kick at all.
redmid17: Dr Dreidel: netweavr: ilikeracecars: As Peter King once wrote, there is nothing stopping you from going for two every time. He also says there are four downs, and no one is "forcing" you to punt on 4th down. He makes some suspicious statistical claims, but I would love to see Belicheck try it.2007 Patriots went for it on 4th nearly every time...Gregg Easterbrook HATES punting, and statistically (says he), going for every 4th down is a good move. I think there might be some obvious things, like only on 4th and less than 5, or only beyond your own 30 or something, but it'd be amazing if teams just stopped fielding full-time punters.What about moving a PAT to the 15 or 20, but keeping 2-point tries on the 5?Easterbrook and a few other stats guys I've read basically say the Expected Points (?) or whatever metric they were using tips in favor of going for it on 4th down every time it matched your criteria (4th and 5 or less, beyond your 40). They were using expected yards per point or something to gauge the improved field position. Basically any time you're at midfield at punt, you're only going to gain 20 yards. At that point it's more efficient to throw a deep pass near the endzone. Good chance you'll pin the opponent deep from an INT AND have a chance at scoring.
Treygreen13: SlothB77: wheatpennyandaglock: 40 yards in = 340 -50 = 450 - 60= 560 plus = 6now we are getting into fantasy football-type scoring with this.I've always liked the idea of a missed XP being -5 points. It doesn't happen often, but when it does happen, it will hurt like a biatch. The detroit/ philly game in the snow was fun to watch because they couldn't kick at all.Looks like this year, only 1 XP was legitimately shanked - the rest were blocked. The Vikings, of course, were the team to miss one.I've mentioned this before, but if you ever get a chance, try to kick an XP. It's astonishingly easy (at least when nobody is trying to block it). One of my teachers in high school was a kicker in college and we'd go out to the field on free days and kick from all over the field. As long as you're even slightly athletic extra points are basically automatic. You've got to really miss the ball to not put one through.Now, any further out and you see how the real kickers are really good. I couldn't hit a 40 yarder to save my life.
Treygreen13: It's astonishingly easy (at least when nobody is trying to block it).
IAmRight: Treygreen13: It's astonishingly easy (at least when nobody is trying to block it).Just about as easy as running for a TD when nobody's trying to tackle you./Also, I wanted to point out that Romo was holding on a FG attempt (though a really short one), not a PAT, so the earlier comment by the other person was even dumber than you'd given credit for
Nadie_AZ: Also, he should check himself. He has 3 rings because of a very good clutch kicker.
Pardon Me Sultan: Nadie_AZ: Also, he should check himself. He has 3 rings because of a very good clutch kicker.You do realize, I'm sure, that the "clutch kicking" you're talking about was hitting field goals and those are NOT was the article was about, yes?Personally, I like the idea of "whoever scores the touchdown has to make the kick" though the reality of that would be no different from eliminating the extra-point kick entirely since pretty much everyone would simply and automatically go for two.
Treygreen13: Well anyone on the planet who isn't handicapped in some way can run in a straight line. But approaching a target being held by someone and kicking it as hard as you can takes a *little* coordination.
IAmRight: All I'm saying is that the "when nobody is trying to block it" is a HUGE part of the process, as are the snap and hold. Saying it's super easy when there's no defense or rush to get the kick off is as silly as acting as though running backs don't do anything of significance because that's super easy if there's no defense; as is completing a pass.
IAmRight: /my only experience trying to kick is kicking on Arena uprights.
Treygreen13: Which is why there were 1,338 touchdowns this year (the vast majority of which were followed by XP attempts instead of conversion attempts) and only one extra point was missed. If there was so much stress and danger of the XP getting blocked more than 4 out of the 1000-something XPs would be blocked too.
Treygreen13: Well damn, no wonder! Those are tiny. I was all over the place when I did it on regular NFL-size uprights.
jake3988: I really really think we should do this. I've been in favor of this since Flutie performed that last one (and perhaps, even before then).
jake3988: Bring back the drop kick. Belichick didn't suggest replacing the extra point place kick with a drop kick, but he is the only coach in the last 70 years to have his team score with a drop kick, which is still legal under NFL rules but is almost never used (Belichick sent Doug Flutie out to drop kick an extra point eight years ago.) The drop kick, on which the ball is bounced off the ground before being kicked, is more difficult and wouldn't be as automatic as the current extra point.====================================================
pute kisses like a man: i don't think i would change much...if you move it back, then you decrease the 2 point conversion attempts. if you have an option of moving it back or going for 2, then you kill any option for a fake, you also hurt the possibility of recovering after a botched snap, which is pretty exciting to watch.if you give an automatic 7, with an option to go 6 or 8, you also kill the fake.maybe moving it forward one yard will encourage more 2 point conversions, but it also makes them easier, which could inflate the scores such that field goals are worth less. it would just upset the metrics that everyone considers at the moment. and i like field goals. a long 50 yard field goal is very exciting to watch, but if tds are now basically worth 8, that would make field goals less attractive.basically, i think the system works. it's fun to watch football.
T.rex: I love the author and armchair QB's in this thread saying they 'agree with Bellicheck"....really?!?? you agree with arguably the smartest man in the whole game... way to go out on a limb.
Treygreen13: T.rex: I love the author and armchair QB's in this thread saying they 'agree with Bellicheck"....really?!?? you agree with arguably the smartest man in the whole game... way to go out on a limb.It sounds like you don't love it at all.
netweavr: Dr Dreidel: What about moving a PAT to the 15 or 20, but keeping 2-point tries on the 5?Removes the surprise factor, making 2 points more difficult.
Publikwerks: I would say get rid of the extra point. No PAT or conversion.Why?Then 2 FG = TD. While you are removing one of the kicker's jobs, you then make FG more valuable.
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