Mikey1969: Even the poorest of the poor in the United States live far better than the rest of the world because capitalism works.Really? The "poorest of the poor live far better than the entire "rest of the world"? So the US has a median income of $51,000, so let's say the poor live off a third of that. NOBODY on the planet makes MORE than $17,000 a year?Hell that's the farthest I've gotten to this point, came up for air and a pair of hip waders...
Serious Black: I love how people are all but calling Francis a heretic and blasphemer.
BojanglesPaladin: Weaver95: The evangelicals are cool with the pro life thing but they really hate the thought of helping the poor.Through the government. They really hate the thought of government help for the poor.I can't personally stand most of the evengelicals, but they do quite a bit of charity work. (Not as much as the catholic church, mind you, but then, who does?)I understand that you may not like them, but it's disingenuous to say they hate helping the poor.
Sergeant Grumbles: ikanreed: Well, Jesus wouldn't have endorsed this "poor people are people too" thing.I've seen a disturbing number quoting Jesus as saying "The poor will always be with us." as evidence that we should end all social programs because none of them will ever help, or that Jesus was seriously insisting hat the poor will never take responsibility for themselves.Was that a Glenn Beck quote I missed or something?Because I don't know how you twist something that much without direction.
meat0918: More evidence in the "American's do not worship the God of the New Testament" column.Just leave the jackboots at home when you come for the non-believers please. They are so unflattering to the full waisted figures that are the epitome of American Christianity.
BojanglesPaladin: how many people have even heard of Joel Osteen?
BojanglesPaladin: machodonkeywrestler: Private charities might be contributing, but they are FAILING. That is why the government needs to step inYou might not have noticed, but government HAS stepped in. Would you say they are succeeding?
BojanglesPaladin: Felgraf: You haven't encountered the prosperity gospel?Which denomination is that again?
BojanglesPaladin: I can't speak to your experience, but I notice you simultaneously say you've never found them in charity work where you were at the same time you say you have found them doing charity work in a way you don't like.
offmymeds: FTA: "Trickle-down" theories do promote economic growth when encouraged by a free market with less government regulations, and do bring about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world.[ct.fra.bz image 770x976]
jake_lex: The Republicans just don't want that Catholic vote, do they.
Rev. Skarekroe: They're actually scared of this guy, aren't they?
MrBallou: I've been hearing about this "Pope is a Marxist" thing, so I decided to make an exception to my no-WND click rule, just to catch up on exactly what they're saying.Only got through a few paragraphs before everything went gray. Now my head hurts, my vision is blurred and I can't feel my feet. Please. Someone call a doctor.
jake_lex: meat0918: More evidence in the "American's do not worship the God of the New Testament" column.Just leave the jackboots at home when you come for the non-believers please. They are so unflattering to the full waisted figures that are the epitome of American Christianity.Yeah, that's the thing that strikes me here. What Pope Francis is proposing here is not radical in any sense: he's just saying "Let's refocus our energy on what is important and vital in Christianity and not so much on gays and/or abortion." It just shows how many people would rather just derp about the gays than actually have to do something that might require them to help out the poors.
guestguy: BojanglesPaladin: how many people have even heard of Joel Osteen?How many people have heard of Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, James Dobson, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum, Michelle Bachmann, etc? Maybe they don't all strictly follow the prosperity doctrine in particular, but they are/were powerful media voices representing themselves as espousing Christian ideals. These are examples of some of the most visible Christians in our country right now...they are acting as the public face of the religion. Do the majority of Christians share the views of these people? Because that's who they will be lumped in with if they don't publicly differentiate themselves from them.
skullkrusher: We call those Episcopalians.Catholic Lite.
DeaH: Looking at the Fundamentalists, not turning the Bible into a graven image to worship above God's Creations seems sort of smart.
BojanglesPaladin: technicolor-misfit: So, while there are a lot of good Christians who don't believe that bullshiat, maybe they ought to take issue with the ones who are preaching it and creating the perception, rather than other people who take note and criticize it.I'm not sure where to go with your weird view of the obligations of one group of Christians to squelch another group who thinks differently, or how you think that would be a good idea, and I have no idea how you think Joel Osteen trumps the Vatican for instance, but I don't see any point fighting about it.
BojanglesPaladin: technicolor-misfit: A 2006 poll by Time reported that 17 percent of Christians in America said they identified with the movement.Which means that 83% (the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of Christians) are NOT Prosperity doctrine.technicolor-misfit: In the late 2000s, proponents claimed that tens of millions of Christians had accepted prosperity theology.I wonder if you likewise accept it as proven fact when people like Rush Limbaugh claim that most Americans are right-wing conservatives?I do not.
unexplained bacon: Today's GOP is so full of the worst kind of people that even something so obvious as the pope calling for his followers to be generous and forgiving is seen as an attack on them.think about that..../sociopaths, liars, the mentally ill, and the ultra-rich//looking forward to hearing all about it during your primaries. Speak up patriots, make sure everyone can hear you.
YoungSwedishBlonde: EVERYTHING I DONT LIKE IS MARXIST
BojanglesPaladin: Serious Black: If your moral philosophy suggests that poor people are that way because God is punishing them for being sinful wretches, then you might hate the poor just a little bit.I am not aware of any religious denomination that teaches that. Nor have I ever encountered anyone who has said that. (I have, however, seen a lot of people who say that OTHER people believe that.)Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Private charities, while certainly better than nothing, cannot solve the structural causes of poverty.Nor, clearly, can government.
Felgraf: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Felgraf: BojanglesPaladin: Serious Black: If your moral philosophy suggests that poor people are that way because God is punishing them for being sinful wretches, then you might hate the poor just a little bit.I am not aware of any religious denomination that teaches that. Nor have I ever encountered anyone who has said that. (I have, however, seen a lot of people who say that OTHER people believe that.)You haven't encountered the prosperity gospel?ARe you living under a rock?/Hint: It god makes you rich because you are faithful/good, that kind of implies that if you're poor, you're just not being faithful/good enough.I'm surprised he hasn't encountered it either; it stems logically from Calvin's ideas and is a non-fringe idea in mainstream Protestantism.It also makes me frothingly *angry*. I'm not really sure I even count as a Christian anymore (I'm... not really sure WHAT I count as. Pratchettist?), but the prosperity gospel is such a perversion of the original work and message it just... really, really makes me angry. I think it in part has to do with the *willful* ignorance that must be part and parcel of it, since the bible rather explicitly states, repeatedly, *THAT IT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY*.
BojanglesPaladin: Serious Black: If your moral philosophy suggests that poor people are that way because God is punishing them for being sinful wretches, then you might hate the poor just a little bit.I am not aware of any religious denomination that teaches that. Nor have I ever encountered anyone who has said that. (I have, however, seen a lot of people who say that OTHER people believe that.)
BojanglesPaladin: technicolor-misfit: Okay, they hate helping the poor in ways in which they can't put personal strings on it.True. FSM knows there are no strings whatsoever when the government helps the poor.
BojanglesPaladin: Weaver95: The evangelicals are cool with the pro life thing but they really hate the thought of helping the poor.Through the government. They really hate the thought of government help for the poor.
A Dark Evil Omen: Of course not. AMERICA AND CAPITALISM = FREEDOM, LIBTARD.
Mikey1969: According to Lt. Gen. Ion Pacepa, the Soviet communist-led idea of "social justice" was infiltrated successfully by the KGB into Latin America's Catholic Church as a religious movement called "liberation theology." The goal was to "incite Latin America's poor to rebel against the 'institutionalized violence of poverty' generated by the United States." (Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa, "Disinformation," WND Books, 2013)Look, the reference they cite is one of their OWN books...
bmongar: It's sad that it is scary when the Pope preaches the philosophy of Jesus.
simplicimus: Serious Black: I love how people are all but calling Francis a heretic and blasphemer.It's going to be fun when the CINOs in the Congress have to rationalize their way around the new Pope.
coyo: Obama's Reptiloid Master: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: If the Pope is a Marxist and Obama is a Marxist, then OBAMA IS THE POPEMind. Blown.Muslims can be pope now? The caliphate is upon us. Bi-lal kaifa!That's the balaclaliphate to you. Maybe the baklavaphate?
Weaver95: Serious Black: I love how people are all but calling Francis a heretic and blasphemer.Well, to the prosperity gospel types Francis is a very real threat to their ideology.
Hagbardr: Obama's Reptiloid Master: I would run New Pope's Marxopapist Inquisition. Just saying.Nobody expects the Marxopapist Inquisition!
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