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nmrsnr

2013-11-18 12:22:35 PM

God frowns upon killing Bambi:

Leviticus 22:28 - "However, no animal is to be slaughtered together with its young on the same day, neither cow nor ewe."

You've got to at least give Bambi a day's head start.

Sybarite

2013-11-18 12:33:05 PM

Research carried out on the Isle of Rum

Mmmm, Isle of Rum.

UberDave

2013-11-18 12:33:50 PM

"I am here, a Windsor stag...and the fattest, I think, in the forest! Send me a cool rut-time, Jove, or who can blame me to piss my tallow? Who comes here? My doe?"

(BLAM!!!!)

dittybopper

2013-11-18 12:46:17 PM

Sybarite: Research carried out on the Isle of Rum

Mmmm, Isle of Rum.

Who doesn't?

show me

2013-11-18 01:10:06 PM

Young deer were caught, sexed and tagged before being returned to their mothers and monitored.

So how YOU doin'?

jaylectricity

2013-11-18 01:29:06 PM

dittybopper: Sybarite: Research carried out on the Isle of Rum

Mmmm, Isle of Rum.

Who doesn't?

Isle of Bourbon.

Arkanaut

2013-11-18 01:29:41 PM

Sybarite: Research carried out on the Isle of Rum

Mmmm, Isle of Rum.

Well, it's no Whore Island, but it'll have to do.

Third Day Mark

2013-11-18 01:29:52 PM

show me: Young deer were caught, sexed and tagged before being returned to their mothers and monitored.

So how YOU doin'?

was hoping someone caught that little gem.

Sin_City_Superhero

2013-11-18 01:30:36 PM

Click Click D'oh

2013-11-18 01:30:49 PM

FTFA: "Males that lost their mother before weaning were also found to develop their first antlers more slowly. This is known to have knock on effects for antler growth later in life and reproductive success."

Bull droppings. A deers first set of antlers, and even it's second, is very rarely indicative of it's later life growth. That's why we wait until a deer is at least 3 1/2 to determine if it needs to be culled from the heard for inferior antler growth characteristics. Some of our best B&C deer started out as spikes and forks.

ElLoco

2013-11-18 01:31:23 PM

I've never had trouble with that. My .88 Magnum gets them both with the same shot.

Fano

2013-11-18 01:32:11 PM

Arkanaut: Sybarite: Research carried out on the Isle of Rum

Mmmm, Isle of Rum.

Well, it's no Whore Island, but it'll have to do.

there's a lake of stew on the island. you can paddle all around it in a big canoe

a_room_with_a_moose

2013-11-18 01:34:52 PM

Milk fed Bambi. The veal of the wild game world.

/I don't come from an illustrious line of poachers and would NEVER do that...

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich

2013-11-18 01:37:57 PM

Must kill whole families.

dittybopper

2013-11-18 01:38:45 PM

jaylectricity: dittybopper: Sybarite: Research carried out on the Isle of Rum

Mmmm, Isle of Rum.

Who doesn't?

Isle of Bourbon.

Isle of Pu-Say.

stupiddream

2013-11-18 01:38:51 PM

Fano: Arkanaut: Sybarite: Research carried out on the Isle of Rum

Mmmm, Isle of Rum.

Well, it's no Whore Island, but it'll have to do.

there's a lake of stew on the island. you can paddle all around it in a big canoe

Don't forget the cigarette trees. Gotta have cigarette trees if there's gonna be drinking.

Matthew Keene

2013-11-18 01:40:54 PM

Won't stop him.

Burr

2013-11-18 01:41:04 PM

gladly...

/hate the overpopulated disease ridden vermin

beezeltown

2013-11-18 01:41:39 PM

A little sad. A lot tender & succulent.

Responsible hunters pass on does with fawns. Or hinds with calves--whatever they call them there.

uncleacid

2013-11-18 01:42:22 PM

Hinds a deer a female deer. Terrible song.

pkellmey

2013-11-18 01:43:08 PM

Bambi shot first.

dryknife

2013-11-18 01:44:05 PM

Imagine you're a deer. You're prancing along, you get thirsty, you spot a little brook, you put your little deer lips down to the cool clear water... BAM! A farkin bullet rips off part of your head! Your brains are laying on the ground in little bloody pieces!

a_room_with_a_moose

2013-11-18 01:46:26 PM

beezeltown: A little sad. A lot tender & succulent.

Responsible hunters pass on does with fawns. Or hinds with calves--whatever they call them there.

Where I'm from, there is no need for responsible deer hunting. The outnumber the people, by a large margin. Cull the herd, shoot does.

Also, trophy hunters take the best bucks, leaving the runts, decreasing overall population fitness.

Son of Thunder

2013-11-18 01:47:55 PM

dryknife: Imagine you're a deer. You're prancing along, you get thirsty, you spot a little brook, you put your little deer lips down to the cool clear water... BAM! A farkin bullet rips off part of your head! Your brains are laying on the ground in little bloody pieces!

What is a yoot?

dittybopper

2013-11-18 01:48:15 PM

See, that's just wrong. You don't take head shots on deer, it farks up the antlers and it's too small a target.

You go for a heart/lung shot instead.

/Two yutes.

Sin_City_Superhero

2013-11-18 01:48:38 PM

Come on...finish the quote:

"Now I axe ya...Would you give a fark what color pants the sunofabiatch that shot you was wearing?"

GameSprocket

2013-11-18 01:49:31 PM

I can't wait to tell everyone at the shack that they are "deer stalkers".

Sounds like we are peeking into the deer's bedroom window and such.

mercator_psi

2013-11-18 01:56:58 PM

leonel

2013-11-18 02:04:29 PM

mercator_psi: [blogs.villagevoice.com image 287x400]

Gentle pretty thing, who only had one spring! You bravely faced the world, ready for anything!

Day_Old_Dutchie

2013-11-18 02:04:50 PM

pkellmey: Bambi shot first.

This time....it's PERSONAL!

a_room_with_a_moose

2013-11-18 02:04:56 PM

dittybopper: dryknife: Imagine you're a deer. You're prancing along, you get thirsty, you spot a little brook, you put your little deer lips down to the cool clear water... BAM! A farkin bullet rips off part of your head! Your brains are laying on the ground in little bloody pieces!

See, that's just wrong. You don't take head shots on deer, it farks up the antlers and it's too small a target.

You go for a heart/lung shot instead.

/Two yutes.

Ah! A trophy hunter. Heart/lung shots spoil at least some of the meat and don't always kill quickly.

Head shots? They drop like their strings have been cut and if you miss, you usually don't inflict a fatal wound.

If you can't make a decent headshot at 100 yards with a rifle or a slug, you have no business being in the woods with a gun.

Secret Master of All Flatulence

2013-11-18 02:19:09 PM

a_room_with_a_moose: If you can't make a decent headshot at 100 yards with a rifle or a slug, you have no business being in the woods with a gun.

Added bonus of being able to make a headshot: It'll still take them down even if Bambi splurged on a Level V vest.

HeadLever

2013-11-18 02:19:19 PM

dittybopper: You go for a heart/lung shot instead.

I like heart. When you aim for the head, you don't mess up any meat.

Ultimatly, head shots are clean and quick, but a smaller target. For me, it depends upon the range, rest and if the animial is moving.

/all breadbasket shots so far this year, though.

please

2013-11-18 02:20:06 PM

a_room_with_a_moose: dittybopper: dryknife: Imagine you're a deer. You're prancing along, you get thirsty, you spot a little brook, you put your little deer lips down to the cool clear water... BAM! A farkin bullet rips off part of your head! Your brains are laying on the ground in little bloody pieces!

See, that's just wrong. You don't take head shots on deer, it farks up the antlers and it's too small a target.

You go for a heart/lung shot instead.

/Two yutes.

Ah! A trophy hunter. Heart/lung shots spoil at least some of the meat and don't always kill quickly.

Head shots? They drop like their strings have been cut and if you miss, you usually don't inflict a fatal wound.

If you can't make a decent headshot at 100 yards with a rifle or a slug, you have no business being in the woods with a gun.

You know how I can tell you don't hunt?

HeadLever

2013-11-18 02:22:30 PM

a_room_with_a_moose: If you can't make a decent headshot at 100 yards with a rifle or a slug, you have no business being in the woods with a gun.

Maybe if they are standing perfectly still and you have your trust CF. Lobbing a slug at 100 yards on that size of target would be a challenge unless the conditions and your rest was just right. You can't always count on that.

beezeltown

2013-11-18 02:23:02 PM

a_room_with_a_moose: beezeltown: A little sad. A lot tender & succulent.

Responsible hunters pass on does with fawns. Or hinds with calves--whatever they call them there.

Where I'm from, there is no need for responsible deer hunting. The outnumber the people, by a large margin. Cull the herd, shoot does.

Also, trophy hunters take the best bucks, leaving the runts, decreasing overall population fitness.

I take bucks and does (family farm in South Central KY). There is ALWAYS a need to practice responsible deer hunting--culling a seriously overpopulated herd IS responsible deer hunting. To my knowledge, there is no place in the US where shooting every deer you see is really necessary--if that were actually the case, the season would be year-round and unlimited (like wild hogs, coyotes, groundhogs in much of the US).

Does (whitetails, anyway) usually run in family units, and it is pretty typical to find mother/fawn combinations running with yearling does. Take the yearling does. A mother raising a fawn will lead to a healthier deer next year. You seem to be concerned about "runts"; keeping mothers/fawns together should help this. There are plenty of "trophy" genetics to go around; wheteher or not a buck reaches the 3-5 year age to grow optimum antlers is another issue.

From a practical sense (and related to the article), in my experience, when you fire a shot at a group of deer, every single deer takes off running. The one you hit goes down fast (if you know how to shoot, another part of being a responsible hunter), but good luck tracking down the fawn to make the "mercy kill".

Thick-headed hunters piss me off.

dittybopper

2013-11-18 02:29:50 PM

If you use a scope, or a modern rifle or bow, you have no business being in the woods hunting deer.

dittybopper

2013-11-18 02:33:15 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: a_room_with_a_moose: If you can't make a decent headshot at 100 yards with a rifle or a slug, you have no business being in the woods with a gun.

Added bonus of being able to make a headshot: It'll still take them down even if Bambi splurged on a Level V vest.

When they start wearing vests, well, that's when I bring out the heavy artillery:

The blunt trauma alone will kill them.

BlackMtnMan

2013-11-18 02:33:56 PM

nomnomnom....baby deer steak. Tender

khyberkitsune

2013-11-18 02:34:35 PM

a_room_with_a_moose: If you can't make a decent headshot at 100 yards with a rifle or a slug, you have no business being in the woods with a gun.

If you can make a headshot at 100 yards, you're not in the farking woods, moran

a_room_with_a_moose

2013-11-18 02:39:25 PM

please: a_room_with_a_moose: dittybopper: dryknife: Imagine you're a deer. You're prancing along, you get thirsty, you spot a little brook, you put your little deer lips down to the cool clear water... BAM! A farkin bullet rips off part of your head! Your brains are laying on the ground in little bloody pieces!

See, that's just wrong. You don't take head shots on deer, it farks up the antlers and it's too small a target.

You go for a heart/lung shot instead.

/Two yutes.

Ah! A trophy hunter. Heart/lung shots spoil at least some of the meat and don't always kill quickly.

Head shots? They drop like their strings have been cut and if you miss, you usually don't inflict a fatal wound.

If you can't make a decent headshot at 100 yards with a rifle or a slug, you have no business being in the woods with a gun.

You know how I can tell you don't hunt?

You know how I know you know squat?

I feed my family largely on game.

a_room_with_a_moose

2013-11-18 02:45:30 PM

khyberkitsune: a_room_with_a_moose: If you can't make a decent headshot at 100 yards with a rifle or a slug, you have no business being in the woods with a gun.

If you can make a headshot at 100 yards, you're not in the farking woods, moran

Picky, picky. I usually hunt a reclaimed strip mine or my neighbor's wood lot which has some nice managed cuts.

Not all woods are alike. The difference between a managed forest and, say the forever wild sections of the Adirondacks are like night and day.

a_room_with_a_moose

2013-11-18 02:47:45 PM

dittybopper: a_room_with_a_moose: dittybopper: dryknife: Imagine you're a deer. You're prancing along, you get thirsty, you spot a little brook, you put your little deer lips down to the cool clear water... BAM! A farkin bullet rips off part of your head! Your brains are laying on the ground in little bloody pieces!

See, that's just wrong. You don't take head shots on deer, it farks up the antlers and it's too small a target.

You go for a heart/lung shot instead.

/Two yutes.

Ah! A trophy hunter. Heart/lung shots spoil at least some of the meat and don't always kill quickly.

Head shots? They drop like their strings have been cut and if you miss, you usually don't inflict a fatal wound.

If you can't make a decent headshot at 100 yards with a rifle or a slug, you have no business being in the woods with a gun.

If you use a scope, or a modern rifle or bow, you have no business being in the woods hunting deer.

I'm no sport hunter. In fact, I hate it. It is a matter of economics and a tight food budget.

I do use a rifle with a nice Weaver scope. If in thick brush, it it the old 12 ga.

Sin_City_Superhero

2013-11-18 02:47:48 PM

Am I the only one that deer-hunts with a trebuchet? Possibly. Am I the only one that squirrel-hunts with claymore mines? You betcha!

dittybopper

2013-11-18 02:53:14 PM

a_room_with_a_moose: I'm no sport hunter. In fact, I hate it. It is a matter of economics and a tight food budget.

You shouldn't hate sport hunting.

There are three main kinds of hunting: Sport, subsistence, and market hunting. Only sport hunting results in *INCREASES* in game populations. The others result in decreases.

a_room_with_a_moose

2013-11-18 02:57:35 PM

dittybopper: a_room_with_a_moose: I'm no sport hunter. In fact, I hate it. It is a matter of economics and a tight food budget.

You shouldn't hate sport hunting.

There are three main kinds of hunting: Sport, subsistence, and market hunting. Only sport hunting results in *INCREASES* in game populations. The others result in decreases.

I don't hate it in others. I just dislike killing things. I'll do it, I just feel bad about it for awhile.

We do not need deer populations to increase in WV. The amount of road kills would apall most people.

HeadLever

2013-11-18 02:57:45 PM

dittybopper: The others result in decreases

Sometimes, a decrease is a desired result. And while your generaizations are spot-on, the 3 can overlap in some very substantial ways.

khyberkitsune

2013-11-18 03:02:14 PM

Well, since this is about to turn into a hunting thread...

Hou-Shiueh Crossbow with a combo iron-sight and scope (sight under scope) firing tungsten-tipped triple-razor head on a graphite shaft and typical rubber fletching.

I barely have enough power to cock it (it needs about 150 lbs to draw back) and with the appropriate heads will easily make an engine block have a bad day.

orclover

2013-11-18 03:24:10 PM

dittybopper: If you use a scope, or a modern rifle or bow, you have no business being in the woods hunting deer.

I killed a deer with a motorcycle one time. Your move.

/I dont hunt critters with a crossbow, I shop.

Ivo Shandor

2013-11-18 03:32:30 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: [cdn.themetapicture.com image 540x362]

Never read it, but I did see the film version.

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