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(Baltimore Sun)   The newest battleground of school discipline -- suspending kids in pre-K   ( baltimoresun.com) divider line
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sendtodave
2013-11-16 12:50:41 PM  
Rules are rules, little Timmy.
 
Superjew
2013-11-16 12:51:14 PM  
If your kid can't restrain himself from stabbing other kids, you're damn right he can't come to school again until it's worked out.

How is that controversial?
 
melewen
2013-11-16 12:55:18 PM  
If a 4-year-old is already showing that kind of aggression, I sure hope Social Services and/or CPS is keeping a very close eye on him and his family.
 
Richard C Stanford
2013-11-16 12:55:28 PM  

Superjew: If your kid can't restrain himself from stabbing other kids, you're damn right he can't come to school again until it's worked out.

How is that controversial?


Because Tater Jr is a precious snowflake.
 
r1niceboy
2013-11-16 12:57:11 PM  
HOAs and school administrations, the acme of the art of douchebaggery.
 
theyipper
2013-11-16 12:57:34 PM  
"The first suspension came when the student brought a pocket-knife to school that extended to 6 to 8 inches long. The second came a few weeks later when the same student embedded a fully sharpened pencil between the knuckle of his classmate.

The student acknowledged that his classmate had not done anything to provoke him and that he wanted to go home, Japzon said."

That's a stabbin.
Don't see the 'stupid' in suspensions here.
 
FrancoFile [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2013-11-16 12:59:08 PM  

Superjew: If your kid can't restrain himself from stabbing other kids, you're damn right he can't come to school again until it's worked out.

How is that controversial?


Happened all the time in pre-school.  It was called "being sent home", not "suspended", but it amounted to the same thing.
 
gfid
2013-11-16 01:04:18 PM  

Superjew: If your kid can't restrain himself from stabbing other kids, you're damn right he can't come to school again until it's worked out.

How is that controversial?


Stabbing is fairly extreme, but the fact that he did it just to be sent home is exactly why this might not be a good idea.  It probably depends on the parents though.  If he gets to watch TV and play video games on his suspension, that's a problem.

My parents would have made me wish I were still in school if I had pulled that shiat.
 
r1niceboy
2013-11-16 01:08:38 PM  

melewen: If a 4-year-old is already showing that kind of aggression, I sure hope Social Services and/or CPS is keeping a very close eye on him and his family.


Not really, CPS are too busy answering complaints that children didn't leave the house wearing enough bubble wrap, leading to them being endangered by bumping into things. Seriously, my wife once was sent to investigate a toddler who fell onto their ass, and started crying because they got a fright. Reported anonymously, of course. That was common. My wife actually went through her cases and calculated the number of substantiated reports. They totaled less than twenty percent of public reports where the name was disclosed, but less than 2% of anonymous reports (which were the majority).
 
Vector R
2013-11-16 01:09:28 PM  
"WTF is this shiat now, suspending little kids! I can understand the middle school+ little arseholes in the city, but..."

The second came a few weeks later when the same student embedded a fully sharpened pencil between the knuckle of his classmate. The student acknowledged that his classmate had not done anything to provoke him and that he wanted to go home, Japzon said.

Oooooooooh, they got a hillside child that no one will let them do away with.
 
Lee Jackson Beauregard
2013-11-16 01:11:01 PM  
FTFA: "This is not something that we do arbitrarily; this is a last resort," Japzon said. "But there are certain non-negotiables, and I think that's what we're talking about in this situation. Someone comes to school with a weapon, not a toy shaped liked a weapon, not a piece of food shaped like a weapon, but an actual weapon, that's non-negotiable. An act of violence, also non-negotiable."

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here is that subby DNRTFA.  Your precious snowflake shows up with a knife, he should be sent home.  Not to punish him, but to prevent him from sticking knives into the other precious snowflakes.
 
FloydA
2013-11-16 01:14:34 PM  
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What suspending a kid might look like.
 
iheartscotch
2013-11-16 01:26:44 PM  
I'm sorry; if some child is sharpening a pencil into a weapon and stabbing people with it so the stabber can go home; we've got bigger fish to fry. It sounds like someone's little flake needs some psych meds.
 
Day_Old_Dutchie
2013-11-16 01:28:36 PM  
You will never find a more wretched hive of stubborness and stupidity than in your average School Board.

Unfortunately, most non-public schools either have some sort of questionable agenda (religious, social etc) that nullifies their right to provide education, or their tuition is insanely expensive.

Better not have kids at all.
 
SamFlagg [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2013-11-16 01:29:40 PM  
Read headline: "Oh come on, what did he do? Stab a kid?

Read story: "Oh, apparently the answer is yes, yes he did stab a kid."  Now yes with a pencil, but still.
 
Vlad_the_Inaner
2013-11-16 01:31:39 PM  
"spurring a local and national debate about how young is too young for students to receive the ultimate penalty in school discipline. "

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Vangor
2013-11-16 01:39:50 PM  
Suspensions should occur for singular but significant events. Any long-term issues which may be resolved via discipline should be resolved in school; suspensions for bullies and fights and similar do nothing but reward students who hate school as is. Even referrals and other trips to administration are often temporary breaks from class work and the teacher.

However, the child in the story will not have his issues resolved via discipline but with psychiatric help and developmental interventions.
 
OtherLittleGuy [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2013-11-16 01:47:51 PM  
I've seen this movie series.

Cardinal Wolsey becomes the Satanic President of the United States.
 
bibli0phile
2013-11-16 01:48:56 PM  
I am not normally prone to the "what is wrong with this generation" idea, but seriously, WTF?

What is wrong with a child that at the age of 4-5 they bring an 8 inch knife to school, when corrected, take a sharpened pencil and stab it, and embed it, in the knuckle of a classmate because they "want to go home".

I would like to see the records on these 33 kids, because if there are even 4 more like this one, it is a warning sign something is really farked up. An incident like that should be 1 in a million.
 
FriarReb98 [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2013-11-16 01:49:08 PM  
Yeah, lack of outrage on the details of this one.

CSB: When I was a substitute teacher in a charter school, on my 2nd day ever I covered in-school suspension for a kindergartener.  Mostly because he he put the "ja;skdjf;oaisdhgqi;wher.jsdlkae" in ADHD and swore like a bastard.  I think it took a year and a half, but not only he, but all four of the brothers, were kicked out of the school for being contemptible little pricks.  Trying to remember what brother #2 did, but I believe it wasn't far off from the stabbing-a-kid-with-a-pencil bit.
 
Brittabot
2013-11-16 01:51:53 PM  
In general, I think suspensions for kids in pre K should not be done. My kid just turned 4 and he's had a few scuffles at school already. Once he scratched a kid in the face who had taken his toy, another time he was pushed into a brick wall and scraped up the side of his face. Both times I was notified and when he was the aggressor he got a time out/talking to at school and a consequence when he got home, and when he was the one hurt I was informed that the other kid was going to have his parents called. I don't think making a bigger deal out of either incident would have served any purpose.

Four year olds have a hard time controlling impulses and meting out harsh punishment will do more harm than good. Plus giving a kid a few days at home isn't really going to teach him anything at that age.

That said, suspending the kid from TFA was absolutely the right farking call. Kid needs more help than can be reasonably provided at school and poses a legitimate risk to the safety of other kids in the class.
 
Metaluna Mutant
2013-11-16 01:55:04 PM  
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theflatline [TotalFark]
2013-11-16 02:00:33 PM  
It is the lack of discipline that parents are choosing to raise these kids.  I am always amazed when  I go to a public place and kids are riding roughshod over their parents.  I never did anything wrong because I knew better.

I went through a biting stage when I was five, so I bit one of my dads friends who came over for dinner.  farker bit me back,  I never bit anyone after that.

My mother has a friend who brings their grand daughter every year to our house to take xmas pictures to make family cards out of.

This year the photographer brought her 5 year old daughter. The kid was up and down the stairs, opening doors, and pushed a chair over to the china cabinet and was trying to get a a few hundred year old china cat.  The grandmother did nothing.

My father is an invalid and when strangers come over we have an 85 lb black chow that we put in the room with him and close the door.

The little girl was repeatedly not to go up the stores, she runs up the stairs opens my fathers door "I want to see puppy"  She saw the puppy and ran off screaming.

The grandmother tells me "You shouldnt have that dog around children."

People these days.
 
apoptotic
2013-11-16 02:14:10 PM  
If kids are misbehaving because they want to go home, sending them home is just giving them what they wanted, and showing the other kids what to do if they want to go home too.
 
QueenMamaBee
2013-11-16 02:26:06 PM  
So obviously these kids have horrible parents, so the solution is to send them back to the shiatty parents?

Bust their asses, then call CPS.  Normal kids don't stab.
 
Daraymann
2013-11-16 02:37:51 PM  
Y'all remember, back in the day, when most boys in school carried pocket knives?  Was not a big deal and nobody got stabbed.

Now we have this.  Suspend a kid for having a pocket knife and a week later, he stabs someone with a pencil because he wanted to go home (again) and it makes the news.

Lesson learned:  Potato!
 
ArmanTanzarian
2013-11-16 02:51:30 PM  
"Fear will keep the local systems in line. Fear of this battle station." ―Grand Moff Tarkin
 
ArmanTanzarian
2013-11-16 02:56:50 PM  
Something given has no basis in value. When you vote, you are exercising political authority, you're using force. And force my friends is violence. The supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived.
 
Hobodeluxe [recently expired TotalFark]
2013-11-16 03:14:18 PM  
this is from a lack of discipline at home. also it is probably the result of being an only child.
you have to nip aggressive behavior in the bud early. as soon as it shows itself. be firm and consistent in your boundaries.
don't let them get away with it ever.
and it doesn't hurt them to smack their little hands or butt to get the idea across that bad action or disobeying commands = consequence.
it could save their life one day.
or save you from a lawsuit.

my parents were old school. (I'm 54)
you were told once.
that's it
after that came the pain :)
 
Apos
2013-11-16 03:15:44 PM  
The City That Reads Despises Fourth Graders
 
Hobodeluxe [recently expired TotalFark]
2013-11-16 03:17:12 PM  

iheartscotch: I'm sorry; if some child is sharpening a pencil into a weapon and stabbing people with it so the stabber can go home; we've got bigger fish to fry. It sounds like someone's little flake needs some psych meds.


no, just parents who will do their job
 
Apos
2013-11-16 03:17:54 PM  

Apos: The City That Reads Despises Fourth First Graders


ftfm
 
OnlyM3
2013-11-16 03:27:36 PM  

bibli0phile


I am not normally prone to the "what is wrong with this generation" idea, but seriously, WTF?

Take a look at the self entitled douche bag parents and all your questions will be answered.
 
mbillips
2013-11-16 03:50:19 PM  
Yeah, that kid should be sent home. I didn't start carrying a full-sized pocket knife until third or fourth grade (and carried one all the way through college, as did most of the other boys). And I don't recall how I got stabbed in the hand with a pencil, but I carried a little graphite-colored reminder for nearly 10 years (I may have done it to myself accidentally).

/Most knives aren't weapons; they're tools. What else are you supposed to use to clean your nails and pick the tarter out from between your teeth?
//Give a kid a wood carving, and he'll look at you funny and throw it away. Teach a kid to whittle, and he'll wind up owning his own toothpick factory.
 
notyomama
2013-11-16 04:45:55 PM  
FTFA: "Advocates and experts decried the practice of suspending toddlers"

2 year olds are toddlers - 4 year olds are not.  If they are ready to go to school, they are ready for age appropriate discipline.  You can call it suspension or you can call it time out from school - doesn't make any difference.  But if a kid stabs another kid with a pencil, then hell yes, he should be sent home.
 
tillerman35
2013-11-16 05:18:28 PM  
But remember- these rules only apply to kids whose parents aren't employees of the school system, members of the school board, or powerful members of the community.  Good luck trying to get one of THOSE kids suspended for anything less than premeditated murder.
 
Mirandized
2013-11-16 05:19:21 PM  
I have to disagree with most of what I have read here. When the kid brought the knife to school he should not have been sent home, they should have just taken the knife. He learned that when he did something that got their attention he got sent home. Smart kid, A couple of weeks later he wants to go home so he gets their attention -- by stabbing another kid. Hell it worked when he had the knife surely it would work if he jabs another kid with a pencil. It wouldn't have happened if they hadn't sent him home the first time. Since he did stab the kid, he should have been made to apologize to the kid and then sent to the office or the psychologist. Most kids get the idea if they know you aren't going to let that behavior pass. I don't see from the article that the kid was incorrigible. I get the impression that he just doesn't know better. Some kids at four don't know better. The school has to teach them because the parents haven't.
When the parents of the kid that was stabbed sue, well that is what insurance is for.
 
pancakeface
2013-11-16 05:45:33 PM  

tillerman35: But remember- these rules only apply to kids whose parents aren't employees of the school system, members of the school board, or powerful members of the community.  Good luck trying to get one of THOSE kids suspended for anything less than premeditated murder.


/CSB

I was in 4th grade when a kid, who's mother was on the school board, yell, "fark you, I'm going to kill you!" to the teacher over some disagreement. He storms out, cries to mommy, nothing happens. That kid was insane, continually threatened kids lives all throughout middle school and nothing ever happened to him.
 
redhook
2013-11-16 07:41:06 PM  

iheartscotch: I'm sorry; if some child is sharpening a pencil into a weapon and stabbing people with it so the stabber can go home; we've got bigger fish to fry. It sounds like someone's little flake needs some psych meds.


I don't see the problem here. Obviously his parents have been preparing him for a harsh life in one of Maryland's fine correctional facilities.
 
Vangor
2013-11-16 08:03:52 PM  

pancakeface: I was in 4th grade when a kid, who's mother was on the school board, yell, "fark you, I'm going to kill you!" to the teacher over some disagreement. He storms out, cries to mommy, nothing happens. That kid was insane, continually threatened kids lives all throughout middle school and nothing ever happened to him.


One of the issues I have encountered as a teacher is my colleagues have this extensive concern over keeping the position. Teachers will make themselves miserable for students, parents, and administration if only to remain in a particular grade or set of courses. Could not give a damn about someone on school board.
 
Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf
2013-11-17 05:49:29 AM  
If pencils were banned, that stabbing would not have happened.
 
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