demaL-demaL-yeH: ArmednHammered: Wait a minute, so Obama can change the law at will, but if anyone else wants to change it it's terrorism?
http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite


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  Really fark? Screw you, the link is good, fix it in your browser and take a look.

Because the assholes in charge of 26 states went full derple straightjacket and turned down the federal money to insure 5.2 million Americans.
Or were you talking about the idiots who were grossly underinsured biatching about the price of minimum coverage?

Harry_Seldon: ArmednHammered: Wait a minute, so Obama can change the law at will, but if anyone else wants to change it it's terrorism?

The President often has wide latitude in a law's implementation details. Congress did not pass a law that says "You must do these exact things at these exact times, or Sarah Palin is automatically the President."

Notabunny: ArmednHammered: demaL-demaL-yeH: ArmednHammered: Wait a minute, so Obama can change the law at will, but if anyone else wants to change it it's terrorism?
http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite


Throwing away unfetchable URL http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance%3Flite:
  Really fark? Screw you, the link is good, fix it in your browser and take a look.

Because the assholes in charge of 26 states went full derple straightjacket and turned down the federal money to insure 5.2 million Americans.
Or were you talking about the idiots who were grossly underinsured biatching about the price of minimum coverage?

I don't see any of that in the story I linked. I see people who had good plans getting farked by having to pay 3x or more for coverage under the ACA. I had a good plan, it's taken care of me for 20 years and now I'm going to lose it thanks to the ACA because my insurance company is bailing out of the state. What part of that don't you understand farkwad?

Unless they know of an ACA-free state, your insurance company is lying to you,

garron: This law is like using one of your 3 wishes to make infinite wishes.  Obama gets to rewrite this law on the fly.  Amazing.  It has deadlines set by law, but Obama can arbitrarily change the deadlines as he pleases.  It has requirements that ALL Americans must must be forced to buy Insurance through the Obamacare exchanges, but Obama gets to make exemptions to that rule for whoever he pleases (including himself, his buddies in congress, unions, big corporations, etc).

Why not skip the pretense of the 2000+ pages of the original law and just write:  "This is a law.  Obama can change whatever the law says whenever he wants.  Oh - and you can't call it tyranny".  ; )

Gyrfalcon: Fart_Machine: ArmednHammered: Wait a minute, so Obama can change the law at will, but if anyone else wants to change it it's terrorism?
http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite


Throwing away unfetchable URL http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance%3Flite:
  Really fark? Screw you, the link is good, fix it in your browser and take a look.

So catastrophic plans that offered no real coverage are being phased out.  What exactly is the problem here?

IT'S SOSHULIZM THAT'S WHAT!!!

timujin: garron: It has requirements that ALL Americans must must be forced to buy Insurance through the Obamacare exchanges,

Really? I'm not getting my healthcare insurance through an exchange.  Weird that, I had no idea Obama made exceptions just for little ol' me.

demaL-demaL-yeH: ArmednHammered: I don't see any of that in the story I linked. I see people who had good plans getting farked by having to pay 3x or more for coverage under the ACA. I had a good plan, it's taken care of me for 20 years and now I'm going to lose it thanks to the ACA because my insurance company is bailing out of the state. What part of that don't you understand farkwad?

As a matter of fact, I don't understand farkwad. Try using plain ol' 'Mercan in the future.

Your insurance company is bailing out of your state. Let's see.
UnitedHealthcare said:
"Our individual business in California has always been relatively small and we currently serve less than 8,000 individual customers across the state," the company said in a statement. "Over the years, it has become more difficult to administer these plans in a cost-effective way for our members in California."
Aetna:
"Aetna says it has about 58,000 individual enrollees in the state and expects to have about 49,000 by the end of the year. It plans to withdraw from the state at the end of the year but will continue to offer small and large group plans, as well as Medicare, dental and life insurance products."

Here's what you couldn't see in the article you failed to iink:
"Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC NEWS that 50 to 714 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a "cancellation" letter5 percent of the  or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don't meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience "sticker shock.""

When you have adequate insurance, maybe you could have your eyes checked.

And all we have is your bare assertion that your coverage met the federal minimums. (We won't even talk about the fact that California runs its own state exchange.)

/Also won't discuss ho ...

StopLurkListen: ArmednHammered: Tell that to the 500,000 people in California that just lost their insurance.

Before I go all "you're a moron" I have to do due diligence and look up any news relating to "California", "lost", and "insurance".

And here we go:
Thousands Of Consumers Get Insurance Cancellation Notices Due To Health Law Changes

"The main reason insurers offer is that the policies fall short of what the Affordable Care Act requires starting Jan. 1.
[...]
By all accounts, the new policies will offer consumers better coverage, in some cases, for comparable cost -- especially after the inclusion of federal subsidies for those who qualify."

You're a moron.

timujin: ArmednHammered: timujin: garron: It has requirements that ALL Americans must must be forced to buy Insurance through the Obamacare exchanges,

Really? I'm not getting my healthcare insurance through an exchange.  Weird that, I had no idea Obama made exceptions just for little ol' me.

Really? There are lots of exemptions. http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/obamacare-exemptions-individual - mandate-98297.html

Yes, I know there are lots of exemptions, I was countering garron's assertion that "ALL Americans must must be forced to buy Insurance through the Obamacare exchanges" except for Obama's besties.  You aren't required to go through the exchange, you're simply required to have insurance.  You can still shop for insurance directly from a provider, if that's what floats your boat.  You can go through an insurance co-op, like many of my coworkers who are 10-99 contractors have done.