kasmel: Of course there are fewer accidents. The camera's are there to cause accidents. When people are so pants-shiatting afraid of getting a ticket from the camera they're more likely to do stupid shiat like slam on their brakes when they could make it through, or put the pedal to the floor to race it.Accidents were really the goal in the first place, accidents make cops jobs easier. They get to inspect your shiat w/o a warrant cause it's all over the road.
Cybernetic: Way back around 2000, when San Diego first set up red light cameras at a few intersections (such as Grape & Harbor), the incidence of rear-end crashes at those intersections went way, way up. Drivers would stand on the brakes the moment the light turned yellow./Predictable consequence is predictable.
skozlaw: Sure I can explain it. People drive like blind retards with their hair on fire whether the cameras are there or not. So they race toward the intersection too fast, not paying attention, slam on the brakes when it goes yellow, and the moron behind them who was following too closely rear-ends them. The only thing that changes when the cameras aren't there is that the retard in front blows the red light now and the retard in back doesn't hit him.Using red light cameras to try and reduce accidents is not wise. You can't fix people's stupid driving habits with technology, you can only punish them for those habits, which should be the real point if you're going to put the cameras up.If you want to reduce light-related crashes at intersections make the delay between one side going red and the other going green longer and just occasionally sit some cops out there to collect some easy money off the dumbasses who still blow through the red.
skozlaw: you can only punish them for those habits, which should be the real point if you're going to put the cameras up.
skozlaw: If you want to reduce light-related crashes at intersections make the delay between one side going red and the other going green longer and just occasionally sit some cops out there to collect some easy money off the dumbasses who still blow through the red.
Dinjiin: skozlaw: If you want to reduce light-related crashes at intersections make the delay between one side going red and the other going green longer and just occasionally sit some cops out there to collect some easy money off the dumbasses who still blow through the red.Or just turn every intersection into a roundabout.
wesmon: Red light cameras are a huge racket and have nothing to do with safety. A company came in and lobbied our city council to put them in a couple years ago. They had a guy come up and tearfully testify about his daughter that was killed by someone running a red light. sad story until the local newspaper revealed the next day that this guy never had a daughter and just happened to be a majority stockholder in the company installing the cameras.Needless to say, by throwing money at the local politicians they got their red light cameras installed. Now with each $150 ticket, half of the money goes to this private company located in a different state and half the money the city keeps.Meanwhile, accidents at red lights have not gone down.BTW, what I find most disgusting about the cameras is that they make the majority of their money on people who are turning right on red but don't come to a complete stop. That has nothing to do with safety.
tarkin1: The problem is not "hard stops" to avoid a ticket.The real problem is that the ticket companies intentionally shorten the yellow light and/or refuse to lengthen it.You see, if the yellow light is too short, they get more tickets, which means more profit.If you don't have a red light camera, then the police lengthen the light if their are issues, and the corners become safe.But once you put up a red light camera, this doesn't happen anymore. Instead, they just let it ticket away.The problem is compounded in that with more traffic at an intersection, you need a longer yellow light, allowing people waiting to turn to actually turn.The honest truth is that red light cameras are NOT profitable if the timing of the light is set appropriately for the intersection. So when you have them there, they either go broke, or create an unsafe situation.
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