biscuitsngravy: My pops used to chopper Gerald Ford around in Marine One back in the day and he tells me Ford was a nice guy who would come up and say howdy to the pilots and such. It was before his time so he never witnessed it first hand, but apparently LBJ used to take a dump on the Executive Helicopter with the door open./CSB
BolshyGreatYarblocks: The Navy names a small destroyer after FDR, and a giant carrier after stumblebum; tell me again how the US military is apolitical?
starsrift: So, how many $1m (or cheaper) torpedoes is it going to take to this $13B monstrosity?Two?
Alonjar: starsrift: So, how many $1m (or cheaper) torpedoes is it going to take to this $13B monstrosity?Two?Self sealing compartment technology is another area that has improved over the years. It can be very difficult to sink a large USN ship these days.
Mad_Season: bojon: I wonder what it will have for a nickname?the Fix Or Repair Daily?Found On Redsea Dead?Fast Only Running Downwind?
Animatronik: Building megacarriers in 2013 makes as much sense as building battleships in 1939, except for the advantages of having our own floating islands anywhere at sea to project power fromDuring a serious war, they'd be big targets and go down fast.
Tired_of_the_BS: Sigh. It feels like the last few decades are all about style over substance. It annoys me that Gerald Ford gets portrayed as some bumbling fool because he stumbled down a set of stairs on camera. He was one of the most athletic Presidents we've had, and, regardless whether you agreed with his politics, was pretty damned sharp - unlike the more recent mouth-breathers he could listen and compromise with those he did not agree with. He knew and did a ton of stuff, much of it behind closed doors. It amazes me that most people don't know he sat on the Warren Commission. And I was not a big Ford fan, but damn, objective reality > titillating perception - give it a try.
Tired_of_the_BS: 1. Within 100 years (75 now maybe, haven't kept up with the numbers), the muslim population of Russia will be in the majority. It's not particularly unlikely that they will align - at least economically - with all the " 'stans" (ie Uzbekistan, Tadjikstan, etc); controlling a significant portion of the world's more valuable natural resources and the time and technology to build the infrastructure necessary to extract them. A large number... are not our friends and we are not making an effort to change this. The whole Khrushchev 'We will bury you!' could very well happen - not, as usually translated as they'd hand us our ass, but as he intended - that the US would rot from within while they're still going strong - obviously not as a communist entity, but a more younger, motivated populace with more resources at hand. The US needed to aggressively change our mindset/spending or in the long term we were going to get left in the dust.
Tired_of_the_BS: 3. The US had consistently avoided maintaining/upgrading its infrastructure - I thought it likely that it was going to bite us in the ass - hard to ask for funding when (I believe I tactfully said) shiat is falling down around your ears.
Tired_of_the_BS: 4. The more complex a system, the easier it is to take it down. I could write gobs on just this alone - iirc I gave him a half dozen scenarios off the top of my head that our fleet was incapable of handling at the time.
runwiz: $13 billion to build. And how many thousands of dollars in torpedoes and missiles to sink it?
Lord Howard Hurtz: Mad_Season: bojon: I wonder what it will have for a nickname?the Fix Or Repair Daily?Found On Redsea Dead?Fast Only Running Downwind?F*cker Only Runs Downstream
Beowoolfie: BolshyGreatYarblocks: The Navy names a small destroyer after FDR, and a giant carrier after stumblebum; tell me again how the US military is apolitical?Tell me who ever claimed it was?
peterthx: I agree that carriers like this are needed in the long term but what about these scenarios?[lh6.ggpht.com image 480x200][graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x340]/not very effective against evil transforming robots from outer space//or world-ending tsunamis...
Beowoolfie: Mad_Season:I get the feeling that Musk's crowd is a bunch of mechanical engineers living in an idealized world. Dirt and people are messy.But over at SpaceX their approach seems to be paying off bigtime. Any idea what the difference is?
Allen262: vygramul: Allen262: Millennium Challenge 2002. Sixteenships including one aircraft carrier sunk with over 20,000 US dead in the first attack alone from mass missile attack. Than what was left was sunk using small boats using conventional and suicide attacks.The US carrier fleet has not be at any risk of being sunk since the end of WWII. They are nothing but large slow moving targets for Zerg rushs and Kamikazes attacks.George S. Patton said that "Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man." and some day some one will say that Fleet Carriers are monuments to the stupidity of the US Navy.Don't read too much into that. Just because the dungeon master game controller allowed it doesn't mean it would work in real life. These things are run to get officers to think, not to test capabilities./Hint: it wouldn't work in real life.It did work.Millennium Challenge 2002 was a war game conducted by the US armed forces. Blue (US) lost in 2 days. Than the war game was reset and rules of engagement were changed so Blue couldn't lose.
Foundling: peterthx: I agree that carriers like this are needed in the long term but what about these scenarios?[lh6.ggpht.com image 480x200][graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x340]/not very effective against evil transforming robots from outer space//or world-ending tsunamis...You forgot locusts.
peterthx: I also forgot to ask if the USS Ford will have a time travel drive to enable the USA to win battles it previously had lost.
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