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2013-09-24 03:21:24 PM  
Cruz says he'll talk until 'I am no longer able to stand'

Is any Senator equipped with a crowbar?
 
2013-09-24 03:28:00 PM  
Has anyone told him ObamaCare is part of mandatory funding, and this will have little to no effect on its implementation?

No? Good! Let him find out the hard way.
 
2013-09-24 03:30:12 PM  
Maybe he'll have a heart attack
 
2013-09-24 03:30:38 PM  

mediablitz: Has anyone told him ObamaCare is part of mandatory funding, and this will have little to no effect on its implementation?

No? Good! Let him find out the hard way.


He doesn't strike me as one who would let reality stand in the way of a truly meaningless gesture
 
2013-09-24 03:31:36 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Maybe he'll have a heart attack


The only muscle he has that contracts on a regular basis is a sphincter.
 
2013-09-24 03:34:07 PM  

Dimensio: Cruz says he'll talk until 'I am no longer able to stand'

Is any Senator equipped with a crowbar?


We need a Gillooly!
 
2013-09-24 03:36:08 PM  

yanceylebeef: Dimensio: Cruz says he'll talk until 'I am no longer able to stand'

Is any Senator equipped with a crowbar?

We need a Gillooly!


Senator Gordon Freeman may be available.
 
2013-09-24 03:38:42 PM  
So he's filibustering (ish) the republican bill?
 
2013-09-24 03:41:22 PM  

James!: So he's filibustering (ish) the republican bill?


Yes. So that he can defund the affordable healthcare act. Which he cannot do by filibustering this bill.
 
2013-09-24 03:42:30 PM  

Blues_X: James!: So he's filibustering (ish) the republican bill?

Yes. So that he can defund the affordable healthcare act. Which he cannot do by filibustering this bill.


Can't WAIT until that little piece becomes more known in Tea Bagger world. The temper tantrums are going to be AWESOME.
 
2013-09-24 03:51:04 PM  

Blues_X: James!: So he's filibustering (ish) the republican bill?

Yes. So that he can defund the affordable healthcare act. Which he cannot do by filibustering this bill.


The only happy part is that he doesn't even have republican support so he'll have to actually talk.
 
2013-09-24 03:51:42 PM  
Nothing says "I'm a serious politician" than staging a mock filibuster that hurts your image nationally, hurts the image of your party, has no real chance of succeeding, and, even if miraculously successful, would not achieve the stated effect you desire, all the while potentially harming the entirety of the US economy.
 
2013-09-24 03:52:21 PM  
It's grandstanding for the Tea Party.  This gives every TPer primarying a Republican ammo to use in the primaries, including against McConnell.  Remember, Cruz is the VP of the NRSC (which is there to re-elect Republican Senators) who is out raising money for groups that are trying to oust Republican Senators.  There is nothing this guy won't do for the Tea Party.
 
2013-09-24 03:53:26 PM  

nmrsnr: Nothing says "I'm a serious politician" than staging a mock filibuster that hurts your image nationally, hurts the image of your party, has no real chance of succeeding, and, even if miraculously successful, would not achieve the stated effect you desire, all the while potentially harming the entirety of the US economy.


It'll play well on the 10:00 PM Mouthbreather Channel news back home, which is all he gives a shiat about at this point in his career.
 
2013-09-24 04:00:25 PM  
Jebus. I was googling for facts to go with a comment about Cruz being a shameless self-promoter and came across this:

http://www.senate.gov/senators/113th_Congress/Cruz_Ted.htm

It makes my point far better than what I was going to say.

Disclaimer: Read it at your peril. I'm completely gobsmacked.
 
2013-09-24 04:20:35 PM  
I'm really sorry guys.

If it wasn't for the Texas redistricting lawsuit, you wouldn't have to deal with this joker.

Granted, it would be a different joker, but probably a little less Tea Party-y.

Again. Sorry.
 
2013-09-24 04:31:11 PM  

mediablitz: Blues_X: James!: So he's filibustering (ish) the republican bill?

Yes. So that he can defund the affordable healthcare act. Which he cannot do by filibustering this bill.

Can't WAIT until that little piece becomes more known in Tea Bagger world. The temper tantrums are going to be AWESOME.


Why would you think that the fact impaired would let, you know, reality stand in the way of their heroic-stand narrative?

I'm sure I've got some moron on my facebook feed right now yammering about how much braver Ted Cruz is than Wendy Davis.
 
2013-09-24 04:33:26 PM  
I was going to ask if he had a catheter put in for this but then I realized he would just piss on his leg and tell the public it's raining.
 
2013-09-24 04:38:26 PM  
"I intend to speak in support of defunding Obamacare until I am no longer able to stand," he said. "All across this country Americans are suffering because of Obamacare. Obamacare isn't working."

Has anyone told him it hasn't been fully implemented yet? I'm pretty sure the (R)'s know the affordable care act is not going to be nearly as bad as they have been saying. In fact it might even work. They have sunk 4 years into telling us it's the end of our nation as we know it. Comments like these reek of desperation.
 
2013-09-24 04:39:02 PM  

birdmanesq: mediablitz: Blues_X: James!: So he's filibustering (ish) the republican bill?

Yes. So that he can defund the affordable healthcare act. Which he cannot do by filibustering this bill.

Can't WAIT until that little piece becomes more known in Tea Bagger world. The temper tantrums are going to be AWESOME.

Why would you think that the fact impaired would let, you know, reality stand in the way of their heroic-stand narrative?

I'm sure I've got some moron on my facebook feed right now yammering about how much braver Ted Cruz is than Wendy Davis.


@RepMarkTakano  Ted Cruz, Ima let you finish but...
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2013-09-24 04:43:08 PM  

birdmanesq: mediablitz: Blues_X: James!: So he's filibustering (ish) the republican bill?

Yes. So that he can defund the affordable healthcare act. Which he cannot do by filibustering this bill.

Can't WAIT until that little piece becomes more known in Tea Bagger world. The temper tantrums are going to be AWESOME.

Why would you think that the fact impaired would let, you know, reality stand in the way of their heroic-stand narrative?

I'm sure I've got some moron on my facebook feed right now yammering about how much braver Ted Cruz is than Wendy Davis.


I'm expecting the fact impaired to believe Cruz's filibuster will STOP OBAMACARE. When it doesn't, I am hoping for a sh*t ton of crying. A SH*T TON.

Should be fun. Won't last long and certainly won't change tard views, but really hopeful they are being set up for a HUGE disappointment.
 
2013-09-24 04:44:39 PM  

MrBallou: Jebus. I was googling for facts to go with a comment about Cruz being a shameless self-promoter and came across this:

http://www.senate.gov/senators/113th_Congress/Cruz_Ted.htm

It makes my point far better than what I was going to say.

Disclaimer: Read it at your peril. I'm completely gobsmacked.


From your link:
Ted's father was born in Cuba, fought in the revolution, and was imprisoned and tortured...

Nothing about which side he fought for in the revolution.
Also nothing about where "Ted" was born.
 
2013-09-24 04:48:10 PM  

markie_farkie: Voiceofreason01: Maybe he'll have a heart attack

The only muscle he has that contracts on a regular basis is a sphincter.


Yeah, but it's the muscle he talks with.
 
2013-09-24 05:08:30 PM  
 
2013-09-24 05:47:48 PM  
The US Senate is supposed to be a stately old boys club where members of both parties jerk each other off while they count their money and have polite philosophical discussions over glasses of scotch.

Ted Cruz is farking that all up.

His disregard for tradition and authority and his rudeness have led some to describe him as "Jim DeMint without the charm", and others to say , "I farking hate Ted Cruz."
 
2013-09-24 05:47:51 PM  
 
2013-09-24 05:53:00 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Link


I enjoyed this link.
 
2013-09-24 06:03:43 PM  

Dimensio: Cruz says he'll talk until 'I am no longer able to stand'

Is any Senator equipped with a crowbar?


Any Senator have a DNR toe tag?
I didn't think Canadians were that talkative.
 
2013-09-24 06:06:09 PM  

robmilmel: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ted-cruz-negotiated-terms-of-fi l ibuster-with-reid


Yet he is getting HUGE publicity.
 
2013-09-24 06:30:47 PM  
I think it's physically impossible for the GOP to put forth anyone that doesn't make me want to punch them square in the face.
 
2013-09-24 06:30:58 PM  
Part of me worries he actually might become President someday - I can see the path. I don't think its likely, but possible.
 
2013-09-24 06:35:46 PM  

yanceylebeef: Dimensio: Cruz says he'll talk until 'I am no longer able to stand'

Is any Senator equipped with a crowbar?

We need a Gillooly!


GET OUT OF MY HEAD, YOU TWO!
 
2013-09-24 06:37:00 PM  

DamnYankees: Part of me worries he actually might become President someday - I can see the path. I don't think its likely, but possible.


The only way I could see that happening is if the Democrats put up someone as lame as Anthony Wiener. Cruz is shrewd enough to fleece rubes here in Texas by spouting Tea Party buzzwords, but without the support of the Republican establishment he's dead in the water.
 
2013-09-24 06:47:01 PM  
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2013-09-24 06:50:47 PM  
Republicans have "a rare opportunity to defund this law with a simple majority," McConnell added. "We should have that vote."

Umm how exactly? I love how Republicans can just out and out say something wrong and news won't point out that their full of shiat because they don't want to look "biased".
 
2013-09-24 06:52:32 PM  

robmilmel: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ted-cruz-negotiated-terms-of-fi l ibuster-with-reid


So it's complete bullshiat theatrics. Wow, what a suprise.

Hey Teatards, your "leaders" think you are idiots!
 
2013-09-24 06:53:35 PM  

MrBallou: Jebus. I was googling for facts to go with a comment about Cruz being a shameless self-promoter and came across this:

http://www.senate.gov/senators/113th_Congress/Cruz_Ted.htm

It makes my point far better than what I was going to say.

Disclaimer: Read it at your peril. I'm completely gobsmacked.


Wow, I'm going to write my next resume like that.

No mention of Canada?
 
2013-09-24 06:53:59 PM  

DamnYankees: Part of me worries he actually might become President someday - I can see the path. I don't think its likely, but possible.


Canada doesn't even have a President.
 
2013-09-24 06:54:06 PM  
Can't wait until he's no longer able to stand. Ted, you tease.
 
2013-09-24 06:54:45 PM  

DamnYankees: Part of me worries he actually might become President someday - I can see the path. I don't think its likely, but possible.


If you think Obama's birth certificate deal was much ado about nothing, wait till you see what happens with Rafael's citizenship.
 
2013-09-24 06:55:00 PM  

DamnYankees: Part of me worries he actually might become President someday - I can see the path. I don't think its likely, but possible.


I am very nervous about Rand Paul. I have left wing friends that wrongly think he is some civil libertarian.
 
2013-09-24 06:55:50 PM  
I think either Ted Cruz is playing some weird Hunger Games strategy, daring moderate Republicans to join Democrats and break his filibuster in an attempt to clear out any next-in-line 2016 primary concerns... or he's blasted out of his mind on prescription painkillers.
 
2013-09-24 06:56:04 PM  
It's cute he can do this high profile act and then slink away and let the bill go through to save face and the teatards will eat it up with a spoon.
 
2013-09-24 06:56:46 PM  

nmrsnr: Nothing says "I'm a serious politician" than staging a mock filibuster that hurts your image nationally, hurts the image of your party, has no real chance of succeeding, and, even if miraculously successful, would not achieve the stated effect you desire, all the while potentially harming the entirety of the US economy.


His base will love it.
 
2013-09-24 06:58:09 PM  

Corvus: Umm how exactly? I love how Republicans can just out and out say something wrong and news won't point out that their full of shiat because they don't want to look "biased".


Once Obama sees that Congress has defunded his law with a simple majority, he will simply give up like he did with Syria.
 
2013-09-24 06:58:18 PM  
Cruz's crusade cracks, commences crumbling.

/headline altered for better alliteration
 
2013-09-24 07:03:04 PM  
I can't keep up. I thought Cruz decided not to filibuster the bill.

What happened?
 
2013-09-24 07:03:42 PM  
I said this in an earlier thread, but much more relevant here.

It's not altogether too dumb a move.  Teatards don't know and don't care about how government works, and they eat this kind of political theater up like it's puppy chow.  They'll flood him with cash come election time.
 
2013-09-24 07:04:01 PM  
This is going to be epic until you realize when it won't affect anything and then Ted will be the biggest liberal ever.
 
2013-09-24 07:05:19 PM  

Corvus: Republicans have "a rare opportunity to defund this law with a simple majority," McConnell added. "We should have that vote."

Umm how exactly? I love how Republicans can just out and out say something wrong and news won't point out that their full of shiat because they don't want to look "biased".


He's not wrong. The GOP can just not filibuster this, and then the defund bill can pass with a majority. I mean, the fact that it WON'T doesn't mean it can't.
 
2013-09-24 07:06:54 PM  
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Takes an issue with some guy named Rafael Eduardo stealing his technique.
 
2013-09-24 07:10:02 PM  

Gilligann: What happened?


This isn't a filibuster.  It's just bluster on Cruz control.
 
2013-09-24 07:10:23 PM  

DamnYankees: Corvus: Republicans have "a rare opportunity to defund this law with a simple majority," McConnell added. "We should have that vote."

Umm how exactly? I love how Republicans can just out and out say something wrong and news won't point out that their full of shiat because they don't want to look "biased".

He's not wrong. The GOP can just not filibuster this, and then the defund bill can pass with a majority. I mean, the fact that it WON'T doesn't mean it can't.


I thought it then went to Obama's desk where he would then give it a big veto? Can Obama not veto this for some reason?
 
2013-09-24 07:11:58 PM  

Gilligann: I can't keep up. I thought Cruz decided not to filibuster the bill.

What happened?


My guess:

Cruz painted himself into a corner. He cried to Reid and promised he would be a good boy if he could just pretend to filibuster to save face. Reid said ok.
 
2013-09-24 07:12:39 PM  

Corvus: DamnYankees: Corvus: Republicans have "a rare opportunity to defund this law with a simple majority," McConnell added. "We should have that vote."

Umm how exactly? I love how Republicans can just out and out say something wrong and news won't point out that their full of shiat because they don't want to look "biased".

He's not wrong. The GOP can just not filibuster this, and then the defund bill can pass with a majority. I mean, the fact that it WON'T doesn't mean it can't.

I thought it then went to Obama's desk where he would then give it a big veto? Can Obama not veto this for some reason?


The thing is, everyone knows this bill is dead, but the TP is convinced that they can somehow get this passed and Obama will fold.  I'm not sure where in their psychosis they get that idea from, but that's their mindset.
 
2013-09-24 07:13:28 PM  
Please proceed, Cuban Senator from Toronto.
 
Ab3
2013-09-24 07:14:10 PM  
What is it about Ted Cruz that makes me think of Bunny Breckinridge?
 
2013-09-24 07:15:08 PM  
He's heading up the highway to the dangerzone.
 
2013-09-24 07:15:33 PM  

Antimatter: The thing is, everyone knows this bill is dead, but the TP is convinced that they can somehow get this passed and Obama will fold. I'm not sure where in their psychosis they get that idea from, but that's their mindset.


Actually I don't even think that is true. They just what the US to go to hell during Obama's watch and don't give a shiat even if it's the Republicans doing. You know how many think we should not pass the debt ceiling increase under ANY circumstance?

They are just throwing a fit because they lost an election. That's really it. They are children throwing a 5 year tantrum.
 
2013-09-24 07:19:20 PM  

Corvus: Antimatter: The thing is, everyone knows this bill is dead, but the TP is convinced that they can somehow get this passed and Obama will fold. I'm not sure where in their psychosis they get that idea from, but that's their mindset.

Actually I don't even think that is true. They just what the US to go to hell during Obama's watch and don't give a shiat even if it's the Republicans doing. You know how many think we should not pass the debt ceiling increase under ANY circumstance?

They are just throwing a fit because they lost an election. That's really it. They are children throwing a 5 year tantrum.


They were doing this before the election though.  they seem to honestly think that they can let the world burn, then skirt the responsibility for doing that, and sadly, there are people who seem to buy that pitch hook line and sinker.
 
2013-09-24 07:20:53 PM  
Cool!  Can we kneecap him?
 
2013-09-24 07:21:01 PM  
Isn't the vote he's fillabustering tomorrow?

That would be like talking really loud to drown out a speaker that isn't on for an hour.
 
2013-09-24 07:21:36 PM  
i dunno who he is but he suffers from douchebag face.
 
2013-09-24 07:21:50 PM  

Antimatter: Corvus: Antimatter: The thing is, everyone knows this bill is dead, but the TP is convinced that they can somehow get this passed and Obama will fold. I'm not sure where in their psychosis they get that idea from, but that's their mindset.

Actually I don't even think that is true. They just what the US to go to hell during Obama's watch and don't give a shiat even if it's the Republicans doing. You know how many think we should not pass the debt ceiling increase under ANY circumstance?

They are just throwing a fit because they lost an election. That's really it. They are children throwing a 5 year tantrum.

They were doing this before the election though.  they seem to honestly think that they can let the world burn, then skirt the responsibility for doing that, and sadly, there are people who seem to buy that pitch hook line and sinker.


It's normal Republican "Self-Responsibility" - "It's Obama's fault for making us do this!!"
 
2013-09-24 07:22:04 PM  
Right now he is talking about death panels run by the IRS.  I shiat you not.
 
2013-09-24 07:23:15 PM  

Corvus: Antimatter: The thing is, everyone knows this bill is dead, but the TP is convinced that they can somehow get this passed and Obama will fold. I'm not sure where in their psychosis they get that idea from, but that's their mindset.

Actually I don't even think that is true. They just what the US to go to hell during Obama's watch and don't give a shiat even if it's the Republicans doing. You know how many think we should not pass the debt ceiling increase under ANY circumstance?

They are just throwing a fit because they lost an election. That's really it. They are children throwing a 5 year tantrum.


Not just that. It's also because they have been unable to repeal Obamacare and gay marriage is now socially acceptable.
 
2013-09-24 07:24:02 PM  
oh lord. Death panels are an unchecked bureaucracy.   100% premium increases.  Federal funds used for abortions.

It's every lie ever told.
 
2013-09-24 07:24:09 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Right now he is talking about death panels run by the IRS.  I shiat you not.


Tell me he is being laughed at.
 
2013-09-24 07:24:52 PM  
Blues_X: James!:  So he's filibustering (ish) the republican bill?

Yes. So that he can defund the affordable healthcare act. Which he  cannot do by filibustering this bill.


I'm starting to think that the idea that he's trying this stunt to defund Obamacare is just a smokescreen, to get people to underestimate him.

I think his real goal here is simply to try and force a government shutdown, by tying things up until the clock runs out.
 
2013-09-24 07:25:12 PM  
"It adds many dimes to the deficit because of three words, all caps, Internal Revenue Service"
 
2013-09-24 07:25:14 PM  
I give this AllHat NoCattle Texas Lard Ass 1.4 hrs. before he quits, thus ascending to the levels of Sister Saint Sarah in the Archana of Teahadism, which is to say, to the tippy tippy top, doncha'no.
 
2013-09-24 07:25:46 PM  

James!: birdmanesq: mediablitz: Blues_X: James!: So he's filibustering (ish) the republican bill?

Yes. So that he can defund the affordable healthcare act. Which he cannot do by filibustering this bill.

Can't WAIT until that little piece becomes more known in Tea Bagger world. The temper tantrums are going to be AWESOME.

Why would you think that the fact impaired would let, you know, reality stand in the way of their heroic-stand narrative?

I'm sure I've got some moron on my facebook feed right now yammering about how much braver Ted Cruz is than Wendy Davis.

@RepMarkTakano  Ted Cruz, Ima let you finish but...
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You know, I will laugh when he crawls away after five hours because *wah* this is hard.

Women have way better endurance. :)
 
2013-09-24 07:26:07 PM  

DamnYankees: Part of me worries he actually might become President someday - I can see the path. I don't think its likely, but possible.


When I try to picture that path, it ends up looking like Johnny Smith's prophecy from The Dead Zone.
 
2013-09-24 07:26:18 PM  
Insurance isn't helpful when you can't find a doctor.

If it's not good enough for Congress, it sure as shoot isn't good enough for the people.
 
2013-09-24 07:26:43 PM  
Maybe he'll have a sphincter attack.
 
2013-09-24 07:27:05 PM  
I... I'm watching this thing and it's like some weird nihilistic performance art.
 
2013-09-24 07:27:33 PM  

red5ish: Maybe he'll have a sphincter attack.


Isn't that what's happening now? Or how can you tell?
 
2013-09-24 07:27:34 PM  

DrD'isInfotainment: I give this AllHat NoCattle Texas Lard Ass 1.4 hrs.

or less before he quits,
 
2013-09-24 07:28:43 PM  
Stupid people, doing stupid things, that won't actually do anything if they succeed, to impress the stupid. It's like watching 300 with a bunch of pasty old white guys running at a wall of reporters, waving gigantic dildos for swords and screaming about tyranny.

/what a farking joke
 
2013-09-24 07:29:37 PM  

Genevieve Marie: I... I'm watching this thing and it's like some weird nihilistic performance art.


I admire your positive outlook.
 
2013-09-24 07:31:02 PM  

Yakk: It's like watching 300 with a bunch of pasty old white guys running at a wall of reporters, waving gigantic dildos for swords and screaming about tyranny.


That reminds me, I need to finish Saints Row IV
 
2013-09-24 07:35:11 PM  

birdmanesq: Genevieve Marie: I... I'm watching this thing and it's like some weird nihilistic performance art.

I admire your positive outlook.


The alternative is that this dude takes himself seriously... and I just don't know how to feel about that
 
2013-09-24 07:36:11 PM  

gunga galunga: Corvus: Antimatter: The thing is, everyone knows this bill is dead, but the TP is convinced that they can somehow get this passed and Obama will fold. I'm not sure where in their psychosis they get that idea from, but that's their mindset.

Actually I don't even think that is true. They just what the US to go to hell during Obama's watch and don't give a shiat even if it's the Republicans doing. You know how many think we should not pass the debt ceiling increase under ANY circumstance?

They are just throwing a fit because they lost an election. That's really it. They are children throwing a 5 year tantrum.

Not just that. It's also because they have been unable to repeal Obamacare and gay marriage is now socially acceptable.


It doesn't matter what it is though. The Stimulus was the largest Tax cut in history. "Obamacare" is a Republican plan. It's not about what it is, it's just that a Democrat is being successful.
 
2013-09-24 07:36:44 PM  
I know I'm part of the problem, but I love a good old fashioned filibuster. I don't especially care what the person is on about, either. If you feel THAT strongly about something, stand and fight. The entertainment factor gained by laughing at your impotent passion is just a bonus. Don't whimp out.
 
2013-09-24 07:37:41 PM  

gadian: I know I'm part of the problem, but I love a good old fashioned filibuster. I don't especially care what the person is on about, either. If you feel THAT strongly about something, stand and fight. The entertainment factor gained by laughing at your impotent passion is just a bonus. Don't whimp out.


Except that this is a good new-fashioned pointlessbuster.
 
2013-09-24 07:39:05 PM  

gadian: I know I'm part of the problem, but I love a good old fashioned filibuster.


That's not what this is.
 
2013-09-24 07:39:17 PM  

Ab3: What is it about Ted Cruz that makes me think of Bunny Breckinridge?


The real one or the one in the movie?

/only saw the movie
//have been trying to figure out who he reminded me of and now I know....
 
2013-09-24 07:39:27 PM  

Clock Spider Jerusalem: i dunno who he is but he suffers from douchebag face.


He looks like Liberace

if Liberace was a burn victim that had facial reconstructive surgery.
 
2013-09-24 07:42:06 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Insurance isn't helpful when you can't find a doctor.

If it's not good enough for Congress, it sure as shoot isn't good enough for the people.


Umm congress is under Obamacare. They are covered by their employer and treated the same as everyone else being covered by their employer.
 
2013-09-24 07:42:46 PM  
"Massive wealth transfer from young healthy people to everyone else."
 
2013-09-24 07:43:09 PM  

birdmanesq: gadian: I know I'm part of the problem, but I love a good old fashioned filibuster. I don't especially care what the person is on about, either. If you feel THAT strongly about something, stand and fight. The entertainment factor gained by laughing at your impotent passion is just a bonus. Don't whimp out.

Except that this is a good new-fashioned pointlessbuster.


Reading these posts gave me a question.

Has anyone in the past filibustered to prevent a bill from getting defeated?
 
2013-09-24 07:43:56 PM  
Vitter's the perfect man for a long filibuster since he wears diapers.
 
2013-09-24 07:45:18 PM  
I checked it out over at C-SPAN, within 30 seconds he was derping about asshole employers cutting hours to 29 hours in order to not insure their employees and blaming Congress and Obama for that.

Of course, this is Tea Party land, where private power and privilege can do not wrong, and that should it appear that private power is pulling a dick move, well, it's because the government made them do it. Government is always the bad guy, and jerb kreators are always benevolent.
 
2013-09-24 07:45:30 PM  

Dimensio: Cruz says he'll talk until 'I am no longer able to stand'

Is any Senator equipped with a crowbar?


Would a shillelagh work?
 
2013-09-24 07:45:31 PM  
Now he's citing this article in the WSJ and blaming Obamacare for it.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788732389300457905706322373 9 696.html
 
2013-09-24 07:46:08 PM  
I like it.  Maybe the one thing Ted Cruz has done that I agree with.

Obamacare is very bad--if you hated the health care industry before, it's now going to get massive, defense industry level.
 
2013-09-24 07:47:18 PM  
"Obamacare is responsible for a Lost Generation."

I imagine that time machine gets kick ass gas mileage.
 
2013-09-24 07:48:28 PM  

noheadphones: Obamacare is very bad


Why?
 
2013-09-24 07:48:57 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Link


WaPo misses the point. Everyone outside the Tea Party thinks this is incredibly stupid and pointless. This a giant performance piece, and "listening to America" is a line the TP eats up like candy. The whole point is to play to the Tea Party base without doing any real damage, and it'll work fantastically.
 
2013-09-24 07:49:40 PM  

noheadphones: I like it.  Maybe the one thing Ted Cruz has done that I agree with.

Obamacare is very bad--if you hated the health care industry before, it's now going to get massive, defense industry level.


I recall a bunch of farkers arguing for Single-payer but that was shot down quickly.   *shrugs*  This is what we get.
 
2013-09-24 07:52:16 PM  
Warning:  Reagan fellatio in progress

"Reagan restrained the growth of government spending."
 
2013-09-24 07:55:38 PM  
"The Great Depression ended thanks to WWII and the rebound that followed. We won't have that this time, and that's a shame. "

So...solution is WWIII?
 
2013-09-24 07:55:42 PM  
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Repubs: I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part!

Cruz: I'm just the guy to do it!
 
2013-09-24 07:55:54 PM  
Wait, is this happening now?

/busy officing
 
2013-09-24 07:58:09 PM  
Jesus christ.  He's going to keep reading the WSJ piece which doesn't even mention health care at all as if it is the cause of all the world's problems.

"Saving for retirement isn't possible because of Obamacare!"
 
2013-09-24 07:59:04 PM  
I am sick of these Canadians.
 
2013-09-24 08:00:19 PM  

Cpl.D: Wait, is this happening now?


Yes, but it sounds like he's getting ready to wrap it up because he has two girls.

(I can't explain it.  He makes no sense.)
 
2013-09-24 08:02:47 PM  
Oh good.  Bible bed time stories.  We're getting King Solomon's take on Obamacare, I guess.

Also, he couldn't deliver a funny even if he paid Fed Ex to do it for him.
 
2013-09-24 08:03:14 PM  
 
2013-09-24 08:05:21 PM  
He's reading Green Eggs and Ham....WTF!?
 
2013-09-24 08:06:07 PM  
Holy Seussical shiat!

Wouldn't believe it if not watching live.
 
2013-09-24 08:07:17 PM  
Cruz is reading Dr. Seuss, "Sam I Am" on the Senate floor.  That's deep.
 
2013-09-24 08:08:36 PM  
OMG, he is reading "Green Eggs and Ham". If nothing else, he has totally pegged the intellectual level of his supporters.
 
2013-09-24 08:08:52 PM  
Isn't the point of the story that you have to try something first?  Isn't it ironic that he's not trying Obamacare first?
 
2013-09-24 08:09:13 PM  

yanceylebeef: Dimensio: Cruz says he'll talk until 'I am no longer able to stand'

Is any Senator equipped with a crowbar?

We need a Gillooly!


Now there's a word I haven't heard in ages. ;)


I hope Carnival Cruz drones on until he craps his drawers, in the loudest and messiest way possible, on live TV.
 
2013-09-24 08:10:04 PM  
I like Green Eggs and Ham.   He needs to switch books pronto.  Have him read twilight!
 
2013-09-24 08:10:10 PM  
Why are we letting a Canadian hold us hostage again?
 
2013-09-24 08:10:35 PM  

wndertwin: Isn't the point of the story that you have to try something first?  Isn't it ironic that he's not trying Obamacare first?


Republicans don't really get themes. That's a little to deep for them.
 
2013-09-24 08:11:35 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: noheadphones: Obamacare is very bad

Why?


It's like with the defense industry--if you can only go to one place to get something, or if you have a multi-billion dollar contract with some entity, or corporation, you can only buy those goods and services from one place.  Any price can be set for that service.

I'm not talking about patient care via a doctor's office per se, but with pharmaceuticals.  And surgical equipment.  Expect those things to skyrocket.
 
2013-09-24 08:11:39 PM  
Earlier, he told the story of his father, and how he invented green eggs and ham.

Spoiler: it involved food coloring.

I would love to watch this, but Agents of SHIELD has a better basis in reality than whatever Cruz is spewing at the moment.
 
2013-09-24 08:12:01 PM  

raerae1980: I like Green Eggs and Ham.   He needs to switch books pronto.  Have him read twilight!


50 Shades of Gray, perhaps? Because you'd have to be a friggin' masochist to listen to much more of this jive.
 
2013-09-24 08:12:23 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Warning:  Reagan fellatio in progress

"Reagan restrained the growth of government spending."


Jesus. farking. Christ. Reagan worship is absolutely killing the GOP.
 
2013-09-24 08:13:16 PM  
The vote is tomorrow - He is just playing the teatards for the idiots they are.


"Fun fact: Senator Cruz pre-negotiated the terms of his #fakefilibuster with Senator Reid yesterday. Not exactly a Mr. Smith moment," Adam Jentleson, the Communications Director for Reid (D-Nev.) tweeted more than two hours after Cruz took to the Senate floor.

"There is no filibuster today," Reid said. "We are going to vote tomorrow. Under the rules no one can stop that."


It's a charade.
 
2013-09-24 08:13:52 PM  

noheadphones: but with pharmaceuticals


My birth control pills are expected to be cheaper.
 
2013-09-24 08:14:45 PM  

noheadphones: It's like with the defense industry--if you can only go to one place to get something, or if you have a multi-billion dollar contract with some entity, or corporation, you can only buy those goods and services from one place. Any price can be set for that service.


Obamacare doesn't work that way at all. People will actually have more options and more competition through the exchanges. How do you think more competition will make it so you can only go to "one place"?

You really seem to have no clue what you are talking about.
 
2013-09-24 08:15:29 PM  
Is Enzi going to burn the Cruz-buster here?
 
2013-09-24 08:15:43 PM  
"Americans did not like Obamacare in a box or with a fox or in a house or with a mouse." - Ted Cruz
 
2013-09-24 08:15:47 PM  

raerae1980: noheadphones: but with pharmaceuticals

My birth control pills are expected to be cheaper.


That's really great, and I hope they stay cheap--but there really is nothing stopping prices of patented drugs from going nuts.
 
2013-09-24 08:18:01 PM  
Darn, I was hoping Enzi (who was part of the gang of 6) would yield to someone who would call the question or something.
 
2013-09-24 08:18:04 PM  
I want Enzi to wrap it up since I'm pretty sure Cruz's rendition of My Pet Goat is coming next.
 
2013-09-24 08:18:16 PM  

noheadphones: I'm not talking about patient care via a doctor's office per se, but with pharmaceuticals


Your aware that currently the US pays the most for pharmaceuticals in the WORLD. Much more than other governments that have systems like Obamacare or Single payer which under your explanation would mean they would pay much more.
 
2013-09-24 08:18:34 PM  

noheadphones: raerae1980: noheadphones: but with pharmaceuticals

My birth control pills are expected to be cheaper.

That's really great, and I hope they stay cheap--but there really is nothing stopping prices of patented drugs from going nuts.


I'm a little hazy on this so I apologize if I'm off, but my employer is pushing for us to use generic drugs.   Won't that help with costs?
 
2013-09-24 08:19:14 PM  

Corvus: noheadphones: It's like with the defense industry--if you can only go to one place to get something, or if you have a multi-billion dollar contract with some entity, or corporation, you can only buy those goods and services from one place. Any price can be set for that service.

Obamacare doesn't work that way at all. People will actually have more options and more competition through the exchanges. How do you think more competition will make it so you can only go to "one place"?

You really seem to have no clue what you are talking about.


Again, I'm not talking about "the doctor's office" but products--drugs, equipment etc.  But along the lines you're talking about, since we're all pooling our tax cash into one place, the costs for a family of 4 are slates to increase substantially.

It remains to be seen if these exchanges will actually bring more competition in a marketplace where everyone is mandated to participate.
 
2013-09-24 08:21:23 PM  

noheadphones: Corvus: noheadphones: It's like with the defense industry--if you can only go to one place to get something, or if you have a multi-billion dollar contract with some entity, or corporation, you can only buy those goods and services from one place. Any price can be set for that service.

Obamacare doesn't work that way at all. People will actually have more options and more competition through the exchanges. How do you think more competition will make it so you can only go to "one place"?

You really seem to have no clue what you are talking about.

Again, I'm not talking about "the doctor's office" but products--drugs, equipment etc.  But along the lines you're talking about, since we're all pooling our tax cash into one place, the costs for a family of 4 are slates to increase substantially.


That's not happening. That is untrue.


It remains to be seen if these exchanges will actually bring more competition in a marketplace where everyone is mandated to participate.


So you don't believe competition actually makes things cheaper and more efficient? How would more competition make things worse exactly?
 
2013-09-24 08:21:44 PM  
fark, I hope it leads to cheaper healthcare, but I honestly don't see how---is there an example of a giant monopoly making things cheaper after its consolidation?
 
2013-09-24 08:22:04 PM  
 "All across this country, Americans are suffering because of Obamacare. Obamacare isn't working."

Who? Who, you loathsome troll, is suffering from a low-cost health insurance option that isn't even fully implemented? Name names!
 
2013-09-24 08:23:39 PM  

noheadphones: I'm not talking about patient care via a doctor's office per se, but with pharmaceuticals.


Right look at the other countries that do similar things:
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Oh wait actual facts show you are full of shiat. They show the system we had was actually the worst system for costs.

Don't let a little thing like reality get in you way with your talking points.
 
2013-09-24 08:23:46 PM  

noheadphones: It remains to be seen if these exchanges will actually bring more competition in a marketplace where everyone is mandated to participate.


Unless they collude or otherwise rig the market, which is illegal, by definition it will bring more competition.
 
2013-09-24 08:24:02 PM  

noheadphones: fark, I hope it leads to cheaper healthcare, but I honestly don't see how---is there an example of a giant monopoly making things cheaper after its consolidation?


Every public utility
 
2013-09-24 08:24:20 PM  

noheadphones: fark, I hope it leads to cheaper healthcare, but I honestly don't see how---is there an example of a giant monopoly making things cheaper after its consolidation?


WHAT MONOPOLY??

There is no MONOPOLY. You have no idea what you are talking about.
 
2013-09-24 08:24:25 PM  

noheadphones: Corvus: noheadphones: It's like with the defense industry--if you can only go to one place to get something, or if you have a multi-billion dollar contract with some entity, or corporation, you can only buy those goods and services from one place. Any price can be set for that service.

Obamacare doesn't work that way at all. People will actually have more options and more competition through the exchanges. How do you think more competition will make it so you can only go to "one place"?

You really seem to have no clue what you are talking about.

Again, I'm not talking about "the doctor's office" but products--drugs, equipment etc.  But along the lines you're talking about, since we're all pooling our tax cash into one place, the costs for a family of 4 are slates to increase substantially.

It remains to be seen if these exchanges will actually bring more competition in a marketplace where everyone is mandated to participate.


People in the U.S. already pay way more for pharmaceuticals than most other countries. How can costs get any higher? Healthcare in this country is a scam and unless we have single payer, the middle men will continue to take their cut.
 
2013-09-24 08:25:16 PM  

kasmel: noheadphones: fark, I hope it leads to cheaper healthcare, but I honestly don't see how---is there an example of a giant monopoly making things cheaper after its consolidation?

Every public utility


+1
 
2013-09-24 08:25:53 PM  

NeoCortex42: "The Great Depression ended thanks to WWII and the rebound that followed. We won't have that this time, and that's a shame. "

So...solution is WWIII?


I don't see the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor anytime soon.
 
2013-09-24 08:27:46 PM  

Corvus: noheadphones: fark, I hope it leads to cheaper healthcare, but I honestly don't see how---is there an example of a giant monopoly making things cheaper after its consolidation?

WHAT MONOPOLY??

There is no MONOPOLY. You have no idea what you are talking about.


I'm simplifying, everyone has to pay for it---it's not one government hospital per se, but it's program where everyone is required to pay into, in order to fund those who can't afford it.
 
2013-09-24 08:30:01 PM  

Corvus: kasmel: noheadphones: fark, I hope it leads to cheaper healthcare, but I honestly don't see how---is there an example of a giant monopoly making things cheaper after its consolidation?

Every public utility

+1


-1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electricity_crisis
 
2013-09-24 08:30:55 PM  

noheadphones: I'm simplifying, everyone has to pay for it


I don't think that is the definition of monopoly.
 
2013-09-24 08:33:41 PM  

raerae1980: noheadphones: I'm simplifying, everyone has to pay for it

I don't think that is the definition of monopoly.


In, a  government-granted monopoly (also called a "de jure monopoly") is a form of by which a government grants exclusive privilege to a private individual or firm to be the sole provider of a good or service; potential competitors are excluded from the market by,, or other mechanisms of government enforcement. As a form of, government-granted monopoly is contrasted with a  non-coercive monopoly or anefficiency monopoly, where there is no competition but it is not forcibly excluded.
 
2013-09-24 08:34:13 PM  

noheadphones: Corvus: kasmel: noheadphones: fark, I hope it leads to cheaper healthcare, but I honestly don't see how---is there an example of a giant monopoly making things cheaper after its consolidation?

Every public utility

+1

-1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electricity_crisis


Yeah, you's trolling. I did laugh though when you slammed the Enron card down on the table like it was an ace.
 
2013-09-24 08:34:17 PM  

Ab3: What is it about Ted Cruz that makes me think of Bunny Breckinridge?


I was thinking more like Bunny Lebowski. Once the primary season starts, he'll offer to suck your cock for a thousand delegates.

But you know - we could just ignore him.
 
2013-09-24 08:34:55 PM  
Which of the insurance companies has a monopoly?
 
2013-09-24 08:36:11 PM  
Did the Oklahoma Senator just say "We have a guy in my state named John Doe?"  now I need to look up if that's really the insurance commissioner's name.
 
2013-09-24 08:36:29 PM  

noheadphones: raerae1980: noheadphones: I'm simplifying, everyone has to pay for it

I don't think that is the definition of monopoly.

In, a  government-granted monopoly (also called a "de jure monopoly") is a form of by which a government grants exclusive privilege to a private individual or firm to be the sole provider of a good or service; potential competitors are excluded from the market by,, or other mechanisms of government enforcement. As a form of, government-granted monopoly is contrasted with a  non-coercive monopoly or anefficiency monopoly, where there is no competition but it is not forcibly excluded.


What one firm? There are all sorts of firms that are available to buy insurance from.

Seriously, do you have any idea how this is going to work?
 
2013-09-24 08:36:46 PM  

almandot: Did the Oklahoma Senator just say "We have a guy in my state named John Doe?"  now I need to look up if that's really the insurance commissioner's name.


And he has the upper hand.
 
2013-09-24 08:37:02 PM  

noheadphones: Corvus: kasmel: noheadphones: fark, I hope it leads to cheaper healthcare, but I honestly don't see how---is there an example of a giant monopoly making things cheaper after its consolidation?

Every public utility

+1

-1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electricity_crisis


"The financial crisis was possible because of partial deregulation legislation instituted in 1996 by the California Legislature (AB 1890) and Governor. took advantage of this deregulation and was involved in economic withholding and inflated price bidding in California's spot markets."

That wasn't due to a public monopoly. It was due to deregulation to 'promote competition'. Oh, and fraud.

"Western U.S. Energy Crisis of 2000 and 2001, was a situation in which the state of had a shortage of caused by market manipulations, illegal shutdowns of pipelines by the Texas energy consortium<a data-cke-saved-href="<a href=" href="<a href=" http:="" en.wikipedia.org="" wiki="" enron"="" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron" title="Enron" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.1875px;">Enron "
 
2013-09-24 08:37:31 PM  
Okay it's John Doak. Made me laugh when I heard it and thought he said John Doe though =D
 
2013-09-24 08:37:58 PM  
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2013-09-24 08:38:15 PM  

noheadphones: raerae1980: noheadphones: I'm simplifying, everyone has to pay for it

I don't think that is the definition of monopoly.

In, a  government-granted monopoly (also called a "de jure monopoly") is a form of by which a government grants exclusive privilege to a private individual or firm to be the sole provider of a good or service; potential competitors are excluded from the market by,, or other mechanisms of government enforcement. As a form of, government-granted monopoly is contrasted with a  non-coercive monopoly or anefficiency monopoly, where there is no competition but it is not forcibly excluded.


Oh, okay then.   But still, how is Obamacare a monopoly?  There is more than one provider of healthcare, yes?  Isn't that what the role of the insurance company?  They're not monopolized.
 
2013-09-24 08:39:23 PM  
Lots of dumb people in east Texas, it seems.
 
2013-09-24 08:40:27 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: noheadphones: Corvus: kasmel: noheadphones: fark, I hope it leads to cheaper healthcare, but I honestly don't see how---is there an example of a giant monopoly making things cheaper after its consolidation?

Every public utility

+1

-1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electricity_crisis

Yeah, you's trolling. I did laugh though when you slammed the Enron card down on the table like it was an ace.


There are plenty of other examples of utility corruption.  So yeah.  BOOOM!
 
2013-09-24 08:42:52 PM  
Yes Cruz... now we have had HillaryCare, ObamaCare, and you freely claim not a damn single Care given by Republicans... got it..
 
2013-09-24 08:42:59 PM  

noheadphones: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: noheadphones: Corvus: kasmel: noheadphones: fark, I hope it leads to cheaper healthcare, but I honestly don't see how---is there an example of a giant monopoly making things cheaper after its consolidation?

Every public utility

+1

-1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electricity_crisis

Yeah, you's trolling. I did laugh though when you slammed the Enron card down on the table like it was an ace.

There are plenty of other examples of utility corruption.  So yeah.  BOOOM!


Ok, so you're arguing that we take for-profit companies entirely out of the equation. I'm down with that.
 
2013-09-24 08:43:32 PM  

kasmel: noheadphones: Corvus: kasmel: noheadphones: fark, I hope it leads to cheaper healthcare, but I honestly don't see how---is there an example of a giant monopoly making things cheaper after its consolidation?

Every public utility

+1

-1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electricity_crisis

"The financial crisis was possible because of partial deregulation legislation instituted in 1996 by the California Legislature (AB 1890) and Governor. took advantage of this deregulation and was involved in economic withholding and inflated price bidding in California's spot markets."

That wasn't due to a public monopoly. It was due to deregulation to 'promote competition'. Oh, and fraud.

"Western U.S. Energy Crisis of 2000 and 2001, was a situation in which the state of had a shortage of caused by market manipulations, illegal shutdowns of pipelines by the Texas energy consortium<a data-cke-saved-href="<a href=" href="<a href=" http:="" en.wikipedia.org="" wiki="" enron"="" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron" title="Enron" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.1875px;">Enron "


This. We're DWP customers. Never experienced a blackout during any of that. Public utility ftw!
 
2013-09-24 08:45:02 PM  

kasmel: noheadphones: Corvus: kasmel: noheadphones: fark, I hope it leads to cheaper healthcare, but I honestly don't see how---is there an example of a giant monopoly making things cheaper after its consolidation?

Every public utility

+1

-1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electricity_crisis

"The financial crisis was possible because of partial deregulation legislation instituted in 1996 by the California Legislature (AB 1890) and Governor. took advantage of this deregulation and was involved in economic withholding and inflated price bidding in California's spot markets."

That wasn't due to a public monopoly. It was due to deregulation to 'promote competition'. Oh, and fraud.

"Western U.S. Energy Crisis of 2000 and 2001, was a situation in which the state of had a shortage of caused by market manipulations, illegal shutdowns of pipelines by the Texas energy consortium<a data-cke-saved-href="<a href=" href="<a href=" http:="" en.wikipedia.org="" wiki="" enron"="" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron" title="Enron" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.1875px;">Enron "


Certainly didn't make electricity cheaper for Californians did it?  And the fact Californians had no other energy option contributed to California Edison's meltdown.
 
2013-09-24 08:45:57 PM  
hahahahahaha And now they're claiming that it's the Democrats acting out of desperation right now on this issue.. I'm getting a beer.
 
2013-09-24 08:47:26 PM  

noheadphones: kasmel: noheadphones: Corvus: kasmel: noheadphones: fark, I hope it leads to cheaper healthcare, but I honestly don't see how---is there an example of a giant monopoly making things cheaper after its consolidation?

Every public utility

+1

-1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electricity_crisis

"The financial crisis was possible because of partial deregulation legislation instituted in 1996 by the California Legislature (AB 1890) and Governor. took advantage of this deregulation and was involved in economic withholding and inflated price bidding in California's spot markets."

That wasn't due to a public monopoly. It was due to deregulation to 'promote competition'. Oh, and fraud.

"Western U.S. Energy Crisis of 2000 and 2001, was a situation in which the state of had a shortage of caused by market manipulations, illegal shutdowns of pipelines by the Texas energy consortium<a data-cke-saved-href="<a href=" href="<a href=" http:="" en.wikipedia.org="" wiki="" enron"="" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron" title="Enron" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.1875px;">Enron "

Certainly didn't make electricity cheaper for Californians did it?  And the fact Californians had no other energy option contributed to California Edison's meltdown.


I'm a renter but my electricity bill is cheaper here in SoCal than it was in PA.
 
2013-09-24 08:47:52 PM  
 
2013-09-24 08:48:30 PM  

noheadphones: kasmel: noheadphones: Corvus: kasmel: noheadphones: fark, I hope it leads to cheaper healthcare, but I honestly don't see how---is there an example of a giant monopoly making things cheaper after its consolidation?

Every public utility

+1

-1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electricity_crisis

"The financial crisis was possible because of partial deregulation legislation instituted in 1996 by the California Legislature (AB 1890) and Governor. took advantage of this deregulation and was involved in economic withholding and inflated price bidding in California's spot markets."

That wasn't due to a public monopoly. It was due to deregulation to 'promote competition'. Oh, and fraud.

"Western U.S. Energy Crisis of 2000 and 2001, was a situation in which the state of had a shortage of caused by market manipulations, illegal shutdowns of pipelines by the Texas energy consortium<a data-cke-saved-href="<a href=" href="<a href=" http:="" en.wikipedia.org="" wiki="" enron"="" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron" title="Enron" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.1875px;">Enron "

Certainly didn't make electricity cheaper for Californians did it?  And the fact Californians had no other energy option contributed to California Edison's meltdown.


You just need to stop. Your friends and family are worried about you.
 
2013-09-24 08:49:02 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Warning:  Reagan fellatio in progress

"Reagan restrained the growth of government spending."


i.imgur.comView Full Size


/Reagan DUDE WHAT Mark II
//better than the original
 
2013-09-24 08:49:32 PM  

Peki: kasmel: noheadphones: Corvus: kasmel: noheadphones: fark, I hope it leads to cheaper healthcare, but I honestly don't see how---is there an example of a giant monopoly making things cheaper after its consolidation?

Every public utility

+1

-1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electricity_crisis

"The financial crisis was possible because of partial deregulation legislation instituted in 1996 by the California Legislature (AB 1890) and Governor. took advantage of this deregulation and was involved in economic withholding and inflated price bidding in California's spot markets."

That wasn't due to a public monopoly. It was due to deregulation to 'promote competition'. Oh, and fraud.

"Western U.S. Energy Crisis of 2000 and 2001, was a situation in which the state of had a shortage of caused by market manipulations, illegal shutdowns of pipelines by the Texas energy consortium<a data-cke-saved-href="<a href=" href="<a href=" http:="" en.wikipedia.org="" wiki="" enron"="" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron" title="Enron" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.1875px;">Enron "

This. We're DWP customers. Never experienced a blackout during any of that. Public utility ftw!


Except that DWP notoriously overcharged during the crisis.  Nice try though.
 
2013-09-24 08:51:11 PM  

noheadphones: Certainly didn't make electricity cheaper for Californians did it?  And the fact Californians had no other energy option contributed to California Edison's meltdown.


Actually it did. The retail prices were capped. There were blackouts and all manner of inconvenience for sure, but the electricity actually was cheaper to the population.

This is literally a perfect counter example to your point. While the industry was properly regulated it worked well. When it got deregulated it went to shiat because speculators played games with the market. If it had stayed a public monopoly, there wouldn't have been any way for Enron to fark with it. And prices would have been maintained as lower than speculators would have wanted it.
 
2013-09-24 08:52:08 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: noheadphones: kasmel: noheadphones: Corvus: kasmel: noheadphones: fark, I hope it leads to cheaper healthcare, but I honestly don't see how---is there an example of a giant monopoly making things cheaper after its consolidation?

Every public utility

+1

-1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electricity_crisis

"The financial crisis was possible because of partial deregulation legislation instituted in 1996 by the California Legislature (AB 1890) and Governor. took advantage of this deregulation and was involved in economic withholding and inflated price bidding in California's spot markets."

That wasn't due to a public monopoly. It was due to deregulation to 'promote competition'. Oh, and fraud.

"Western U.S. Energy Crisis of 2000 and 2001, was a situation in which the state of had a shortage of caused by market manipulations, illegal shutdowns of pipelines by the Texas energy consortium<a data-cke-saved-href="<a href=" href="<a href=" http:="" en.wikipedia.org="" wiki="" enron"="" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron" title="Enron" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.1875px;">Enron "

Certainly didn't make electricity cheaper for Californians did it?  And the fact Californians had no other energy option contributed to California Edison's meltdown.

You just need to stop. Your friends and family are worried about you.


You're taking this personally.  Take a breath and come up with something that adds to the argument.
 
2013-09-24 08:53:30 PM  
kasmel: noheadphones: Certainly didn't make electricity cheaper for Californians did it?  And the fact Californians had no other energy option contributed to California Edison's meltdown.

Actually it did. The retail prices were capped. There were blackouts and all manner of inconvenience for sure, but the electricity actually was cheaper to the population.

That's not true in the slightest.
 
2013-09-24 08:56:34 PM  

Corvus: noheadphones: I'm not talking about patient care via a doctor's office per se, but with pharmaceuticals.

Right look at the other countries that do similar things:
[www.rxrights.org image 525x286]
Oh wait actual facts show you are full of shiat. They show the system we had was actually the worst system for costs.

Don't let a little thing like reality get in you way with your talking points.


Well this is along the lines I'm coming from--Obamacare maintains the status quo for the Healthcare Industry, so pharmies will not get cheaper by any means.  Especially if there is any semblance of competition that you claim there will be.
 
2013-09-24 08:59:59 PM  
Does he realize that she isn't Jefferson Smith but one of the stooges of the Taylor political machine that Jefferson Smith rallied against?
 
2013-09-24 09:00:16 PM  

noheadphones: That's not true in the slightest.


Yeah. Again, from the link you provided.

"Because the state government had a cap on retail electricity charges, this market manipulation squeezed the industry's revenue margins, causing the bankruptcy of (PG&E) and near bankruptcy of in early 2001"

"Drought, delays in approval of new power plants, and  decreased supply. This caused 800% increase in wholesale prices from April 2000 to December 2000. "

Simply put, a person paying their electricity bill didn't see a significant increase because of the cap. The reason the companies went out of business was because they were legally proscribed from passing the cost or the wholesale market onto their customers.

So. It's not 'slightly' true. It's 100% true. Completely and unimpeachably true as a matter of fact.

If you want to have a chicken/egg argument about whether the regulation of the industry caused the market manipulation versus the deregulation breaking down the system, then we can have that. If you want to claim that the public monopoly didn't lower prices from what they would have been otherwise, you're sadly mistaken.
 
2013-09-24 09:01:26 PM  

noheadphones: Corvus: noheadphones: I'm not talking about patient care via a doctor's office per se, but with pharmaceuticals.

Right look at the other countries that do similar things:
[www.rxrights.org image 525x286]
Oh wait actual facts show you are full of shiat. They show the system we had was actually the worst system for costs.

Don't let a little thing like reality get in you way with your talking points.

Well this is along the lines I'm coming from--Obamacare maintains the status quo for the Healthcare Industry, so pharmies will not get cheaper by any means.  Especially if there is any semblance of competition that you claim there will be.


This makes less sense than Ted Cruz.

Obamacare is bad because it maintains the status quo. Except it doesn't because it may increase competition. Which will increase prices because that's what competition does. Because Obamacare created a monopoly.

Am I following this?
 
2013-09-24 09:04:10 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Which of the insurance companies has a monopoly?


Blue Cross comes pretty close, especially in California.
 
2013-09-24 09:06:14 PM  

noheadphones: raerae1980: noheadphones: I'm simplifying, everyone has to pay for it

I don't think that is the definition of monopoly.

In, a  government-granted monopoly (also called a "de jure monopoly") is a form of by which a government grants exclusive privilege to a private individual or firm to be the sole provider of a good or service; potential competitors are excluded from the market by,, or other mechanisms of government enforcement. As a form of, government-granted monopoly is contrasted with a  non-coercive monopoly or anefficiency monopoly, where there is no competition but it is not forcibly excluded.


There are exchanges offering to show you all the choices available to you from multiple insurers. No one company has a monopoly. By making everyone buy insurance, the insurance companies will have to compete for your business, and younger, healthier people in the pool will help keep costs low. Please try to keep up.
 
2013-09-24 09:06:52 PM  
Cruz is noting that no pundit in the country believed the house would pass a measure to defund obamacare to send to the senate a week ago but that they courageously did... O_o
 
2013-09-24 09:07:38 PM  
Durbin just basically asked Cruz if he could in fact count to potatoe, what with his Princeton edumacation and all.
 
2013-09-24 09:12:55 PM  

birdmanesq: noheadphones: Corvus: noheadphones: I'm not talking about patient care via a doctor's office per se, but with pharmaceuticals.

Right look at the other countries that do similar things:
[www.rxrights.org image 525x286]
Oh wait actual facts show you are full of shiat. They show the system we had was actually the worst system for costs.

Don't let a little thing like reality get in you way with your talking points.

Well this is along the lines I'm coming from--Obamacare maintains the status quo for the Healthcare Industry, so pharmies will not get cheaper by any means.  Especially if there is any semblance of competition that you claim there will be.

This makes less sense than Ted Cruz.

Obamacare is bad because it maintains the status quo. Except it doesn't because it may increase competition. Which will increase prices because that's what competition does. Because Obamacare created a monopoly.

Am I following this?


If you are, you're a braver soul than I. I... yea.
 
2013-09-24 09:18:16 PM  
I love that Durbin is calling Cruz out and flat-out calling him a liar.
 
2013-09-24 09:18:19 PM  

birdmanesq: noheadphones: Corvus: noheadphones: I'm not talking about patient care via a doctor's office per se, but with pharmaceuticals.

Right look at the other countries that do similar things:
[www.rxrights.org image 525x286]
Oh wait actual facts show you are full of shiat. They show the system we had was actually the worst system for costs.

Don't let a little thing like reality get in you way with your talking points.

Well this is along the lines I'm coming from--Obamacare maintains the status quo for the Healthcare Industry, so pharmies will not get cheaper by any means.  Especially if there is any semblance of competition that you claim there will be.

This makes less sense than Ted Cruz.

Obamacare is bad because it maintains the status quo. Except it doesn't because it may increase competition. Which will increase prices because that's what competition does. Because Obamacare created a monopoly.

Am I following this?


Ha!  I'm claiming that prices for pharmies will skyrocket because of requirements to pay into the ACA, not as a result of competition (which drives prices down actually).  Similar to the California Energy Crisis--partly to do with overwhelming demand for limited energy, driving up prices.   Obamacare is not a monopoly either--it's a statute, which has, to a degree, consolidated healthcare coverage under the umbrella of the federal government.
 
2013-09-24 09:18:36 PM  
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2013-09-24 09:21:23 PM  
"All across this country, Americans are suffering because of Obamacare. Obamacare isn't working."

That damn Obama and his infernal time machine again. His signature initiative hasn't even taken effect yet, and it's already hurting people. From the FUUUUTUUUURE!!!!

/He set this devilish plan in motion back in 1978.
 
2013-09-24 09:21:27 PM  
Oh, Durbin is just beating Cruz like a red-headed stepchild.
 
2013-09-24 09:22:15 PM  

noheadphones: Ha! I'm claiming that prices for pharmies will skyrocket because of requirements to pay into the ACA, not as a result of competition (which drives prices down actually). Similar to the California Energy Crisis--partly to do with overwhelming demand for limited energy, driving up prices. Obamacare is not a monopoly either--it's a statute, which has, to a degree, consolidated healthcare coverage under the umbrella of the federal government.


You were already slapped down with that misinformation upthread.   Why continue?  Don't you want Obamacare to work?  Don't you want us as a country to get our healthcare costs down, closer to other first-world nations healthcare costs?
 
2013-09-24 09:23:59 PM  

UncomfortableSilence: noheadphones: raerae1980: noheadphones: I'm simplifying, everyone has to pay for it

I don't think that is the definition of monopoly.

In, a  government-granted monopoly (also called a "de jure monopoly") is a form of by which a government grants exclusive privilege to a private individual or firm to be the sole provider of a good or service; potential competitors are excluded from the market by,, or other mechanisms of government enforcement. As a form of, government-granted monopoly is contrasted with a  non-coercive monopoly or anefficiency monopoly, where there is no competition but it is not forcibly excluded.

There are exchanges offering to show you all the choices available to you from multiple insurers. No one company has a monopoly. By making everyone buy insurance, the insurance companies will have to compete for your business, and younger, healthier people in the pool will help keep costs low. Please try to keep up.



Actually, many insurance companies maintain a near monopoly on medical coverage in many states.
 
2013-09-24 09:24:20 PM  

PocketfullaSass: Oh, Durbin is just beating Cruz like a red-headed stepchild.


I agree,  but Cruz's responses basically ignore any points Durbin has been making. It's like watching a campaign debate, the way Cruz pivots on every question from Durbin.
 
2013-09-24 09:26:21 PM  

raerae1980: noheadphones: Ha! I'm claiming that prices for pharmies will skyrocket because of requirements to pay into the ACA, not as a result of competition (which drives prices down actually). Similar to the California Energy Crisis--partly to do with overwhelming demand for limited energy, driving up prices. Obamacare is not a monopoly either--it's a statute, which has, to a degree, consolidated healthcare coverage under the umbrella of the federal government.

You were already slapped down with that misinformation upthread.   Why continue?  Don't you want Obamacare to work?  Don't you want us as a country to get our healthcare costs down, closer to other first-world nations healthcare costs?


Yes.  But it won't, because it is a healthcare industry bailout.

Nothing I've said is incorrect either.  It will drive up costs, guaranteed.
 
2013-09-24 09:26:25 PM  
Is Cruz saying we should have a national election about Obamacare?  I'm pretty sure we just did that last November.
 
2013-09-24 09:26:56 PM  

Genevieve Marie: I... I'm watching this thing and it's like some weird nihilistic performance art.


Godspeed. I cannot bring myself to, but that sounds about how I'd imagine it.
 
2013-09-24 09:27:01 PM  
"The American people want to stop this madness and  so do I"

THEN SHUT THE FARK UP YOU DUMBASS
 
2013-09-24 09:28:45 PM  
This is endlessly hilarious - he's literally just giving a long speech. That's it. it's not a filibuster, as C-SPAN helpfully explained:

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2013-09-24 09:29:19 PM  

somedude210: "The American people want to stop this madness and  so do I"

THEN SHUT THE FARK UP YOU DUMBASS


He's trying to make the case that he's the only pure soul left in DC. I can't even see the GOP giving him any support after this crap.
 
2013-09-24 09:31:24 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Why are we letting a Canadian hold us hostage again?


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2013-09-24 09:32:02 PM  
He looks like the kinda guy who would cloud up and cry instead of ducking if I threw a shoe at him.
 
2013-09-24 09:32:32 PM  
Cruz: "It's just a symbolic vote!  Let us vote against ObamaCare like the House gets to!"

He is literally whining about not getting to play with the other kid's toy.
 
2013-09-24 09:33:19 PM  

DamnYankees: This is endlessly hilarious - he's literally just giving a long speech. That's it. it's not a filibuster, as C-SPAN helpfully explained:

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Well, I guess then he's scheduled to tip over and fall on his ass before the Senate votes Wednesday.

/Unless he doesn't give a shiat about the comity of the Senate.
//Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis? This is comity gold!
 
2013-09-24 09:34:55 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: DamnYankees: This is endlessly hilarious - he's literally just giving a long speech. That's it. it's not a filibuster, as C-SPAN helpfully explained:

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Well, I guess then he's scheduled to tip over and fall on his ass before the Senate votes Wednesday.

/Unless he doesn't give a shiat about the comity of the Senate.
//Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis? This is comity gold!


I'd love him to somehow last until morning, and then refuse to yield the floor for the vote.
 
2013-09-24 09:35:25 PM  
Unions hate Obamacare and rejected it because it doesn't work.  I know this is true because Ted Cruz said so.
 
2013-09-24 09:36:03 PM  
Oh noes! Now he won't be invited to any cocktail parties!!

(Republicans don't have cocktail parties? That's just a liberal thing? Really?)
 
2013-09-24 09:36:37 PM  

Obscure Login: Unions hate Obamacare and rejected it because it doesn't work.  I know this is true because Ted Cruz said so.


Also, if you are a Democrat, you can just get an exemption, anyway.
 
2013-09-24 09:42:26 PM  

noheadphones: You're taking this personally. Take a breath and come up with something that adds to the argument.


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2013-09-24 09:44:54 PM  
Jeff Sessions is a crank. What is he even talking about?
 
2013-09-24 09:46:08 PM  
Sen. Sessions just made it seem like he had a grand revelation what "single-payer" means, as if he just discovered the truth about Soylent Green.
 
2013-09-24 09:46:33 PM  

NeoCortex42: Fuggin Bizzy: DamnYankees: This is endlessly hilarious - he's literally just giving a long speech. That's it. it's not a filibuster, as C-SPAN helpfully explained:

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Well, I guess then he's scheduled to tip over and fall on his ass before the Senate votes Wednesday.

/Unless he doesn't give a shiat about the comity of the Senate.
//Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis? This is comity gold!

I'd love him to somehow last until morning, and then refuse to yield the floor for the vote.


Anyone knows what happens if this actually goes down?

Could police and guns potentially get involved?

/this could be interesting. And not in the good guys win kind of way.
 
2013-09-24 09:47:46 PM  

noheadphones: Ha!  I'm claiming that prices for pharmies will skyrocket because of requirements to pay into the ACA, not as a result of competition (which drives prices down actually).  Similar to the California Energy Crisis--partly to do with overwhelming demand for limited energy, driving up prices.   Obamacare is not a monopoly either--it's a statute, which has, to a degree, consolidated healthcare coverage under the umbrella of the federal government.


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2013-09-24 09:47:59 PM  

Peki: Anyone knows what happens if this actually goes down?

Could police and guns potentially get involved?

/this could be interesting. And not in the good guys win kind of way.


Ideally someone rushes the podium with a hard cane and beats him about the face with it.
 
2013-09-24 09:48:47 PM  

Peki: NeoCortex42: Fuggin Bizzy: DamnYankees: This is endlessly hilarious - he's literally just giving a long speech. That's it. it's not a filibuster, as C-SPAN helpfully explained:

[pbs.twimg.com image 599x326]

Well, I guess then he's scheduled to tip over and fall on his ass before the Senate votes Wednesday.

/Unless he doesn't give a shiat about the comity of the Senate.
//Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis? This is comity gold!

I'd love him to somehow last until morning, and then refuse to yield the floor for the vote.

Anyone knows what happens if this actually goes down?

Could police and guns potentially get involved?

/this could be interesting. And not in the good guys win kind of way.


I want to say contempt of Congress and escorted off the premises,  but it will never come to that. Cruz won't last until morning.

Has there been any instance of someone refusing to yield the floor when they had to, at least in modern times?
 
2013-09-24 09:50:36 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Peki: Anyone knows what happens if this actually goes down?

Could police and guns potentially get involved?

/this could be interesting. And not in the good guys win kind of way.

Ideally someone rushes the podium with a hard cane and beats him about the face with it.


I nominate John McCain. He must have a lot of pent up frustration, knowing that he caused the destruction of his own party by choosing Palin as a running mate
 
2013-09-24 09:54:57 PM  

noheadphones: raerae1980: noheadphones: I'm simplifying, everyone has to pay for it

I don't think that is the definition of monopoly.

In, a  government-granted monopoly (also called a "de jure monopoly") is a form of by which a government grants exclusive privilege to a private individual or firm to be the sole provider of a good or service; potential competitors are excluded from the market by,, or other mechanisms of government enforcement. As a form of, government-granted monopoly is contrasted with a  non-coercive monopoly or anefficiency monopoly, where there is no competition but it is not forcibly excluded.


Yes, yes. We all know what a monopoly is, whether organic or mandated. How in the world do you get that from ANY aspect of ACA? If health care was a mandated monopoly, run by the government on a non profit basis you would have a system like Canada's which provides generally better care with better outcomes on a universal basis. Countries that have implemented this type of system pay a fraction of the US for better care. You guys aren't there yet. If you made the incredibly stupid move to make a private, for profit monopoly of health care, you're argument would make sense.
 
2013-09-24 10:00:56 PM  

Shostie: I'm really sorry guys.

If it wasn't for the Texas redistricting lawsuit, you wouldn't have to deal with this joker.

Granted, it would be a different joker, but probably a little less Tea Party-y.

Again. Sorry.


Dude, at least he wasn't a partner in your law firm. You didn't have to see him every day.

So embarrassed.
 
2013-09-24 10:01:23 PM  
I wish there was a rule during "filibusters": only questions from dissenting opinions can be asked. No more of this "My question is why are you so awesome?" BS.
 
2013-09-24 10:04:34 PM  

NeoCortex42: I wish there was a rule during "filibusters": only questions from dissenting opinions can be asked. No more of this "My question is why are you so awesome?" BS.


I'd be okay with the Dems dishing out some trolling BS.  Like "When are you going to officially renounce your Canadian citizenship?"
 
2013-09-24 10:05:26 PM  
Woot!  We got a "Thanks Obama"
 
2013-09-24 10:06:52 PM  

12349876: NeoCortex42: I wish there was a rule during "filibusters": only questions from dissenting opinions can be asked. No more of this "My question is why are you so awesome?" BS.

I'd be okay with the Dems dishing out some trolling BS.  Like "When are you going to officially renounce your Canadian citizenship?"


I moderately enjoy Cruz's comebacks after the Dem questions he got. I wish we had the parliament for debates.
 
2013-09-24 10:08:08 PM  

almandot: 12349876: NeoCortex42: I wish there was a rule during "filibusters": only questions from dissenting opinions can be asked. No more of this "My question is why are you so awesome?" BS.

I'd be okay with the Dems dishing out some trolling BS.  Like "When are you going to officially renounce your Canadian citizenship?"

I moderately enjoy Cruz's comebacks after the Dem questions he got. I wish we had the parliament for debates.


Cruz is VERY skilled at oral argument. He was Solicitor General in Texas, he's argued successfully in front of the Supreme Court, he was THE SCOTUS partner at my firm...
 
2013-09-24 10:08:16 PM  

almandot: Woot!  We got a "Thanks Obama"


Well, "Thanks Obamacare".

I swear he also said "an Obamanation of a tax".

I mean, it was probably 'abomination', but I really can't be sure with this guy.
 
2013-09-24 10:09:58 PM  

almandot: 12349876: NeoCortex42: I wish there was a rule during "filibusters": only questions from dissenting opinions can be asked. No more of this "My question is why are you so awesome?" BS.

I'd be okay with the Dems dishing out some trolling BS.  Like "When are you going to officially renounce your Canadian citizenship?"

I moderately enjoy Cruz's comebacks after the Dem questions he got. I wish we had the parliament for debates.


I would *love* a U.S. version of Canada's Question Period. That shiat is awesome TV.
 
2013-09-24 10:11:10 PM  
Cruz: I'd like to cherry pick #makedclisten tweets now. Me: How about more Dr. Suess stories? I'm kind of in the mood for the Sleep Book.
 
2013-09-24 10:11:12 PM  

NeoCortex42: almandot: Woot!  We got a "Thanks Obama"

Well, "Thanks Obamacare".

I swear he also said "an Obamanation of a tax".

I mean, it was probably 'abomination', but I really can't be sure with this guy.


Probably just the Canadian accent.
 
2013-09-24 10:11:32 PM  
He should hold on to this recording of him reading tweets. He could use it for a CNN audition tape when he leaves office.
 
2013-09-24 10:13:42 PM  
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Why doesn't he just stand in front of a banner that says "fark the poor"?
 
2013-09-24 10:14:19 PM  
Someone should start reading off some of those post-Miss America tweets. Show Cruz how intelligent 'tweeters' are.
 
2013-09-24 10:15:33 PM  

PocketfullaSass: Cruz: I'd like to cherry pick #makedclisten tweets now. Me: How about more Dr. Suess stories? I'm kind of in the mood for the Sleep Book.


He should read The Giving Tree as a national wake-up call against the nanny state.

Then Bridge to Terabithia as a fantasy yarn about two lovable kids who... oh God why did you do that to me?! This is horrible!
 
2013-09-24 10:16:00 PM  

Peki: almandot: 12349876: NeoCortex42: I wish there was a rule during "filibusters": only questions from dissenting opinions can be asked. No more of this "My question is why are you so awesome?" BS.

I'd be okay with the Dems dishing out some trolling BS.  Like "When are you going to officially renounce your Canadian citizenship?"

I moderately enjoy Cruz's comebacks after the Dem questions he got. I wish we had the parliament for debates.

I would *love* a U.S. version of Canada's Question Period. That shiat is awesome TV.


You guys don't have anything similiar? Wow. Question period is about the only time you get the occasional straight answer. Rare, but it happens.
 
2013-09-24 10:18:18 PM  

Mike_1962: Peki: almandot: 12349876: NeoCortex42: I wish there was a rule during "filibusters": only questions from dissenting opinions can be asked. No more of this "My question is why are you so awesome?" BS.

I'd be okay with the Dems dishing out some trolling BS.  Like "When are you going to officially renounce your Canadian citizenship?"

I moderately enjoy Cruz's comebacks after the Dem questions he got. I wish we had the parliament for debates.

I would *love* a U.S. version of Canada's Question Period. That shiat is awesome TV.

You guys don't have anything similiar? Wow. Question period is about the only time you get the occasional straight answer. Rare, but it happens.


A "straight answer"?  I have heard tales of such things. They are a rare sight indeed in DC.
 
2013-09-24 10:19:38 PM  

Mike_1962: Peki: almandot: 12349876: NeoCortex42: I wish there was a rule during "filibusters": only questions from dissenting opinions can be asked. No more of this "My question is why are you so awesome?" BS.

I'd be okay with the Dems dishing out some trolling BS.  Like "When are you going to officially renounce your Canadian citizenship?"

I moderately enjoy Cruz's comebacks after the Dem questions he got. I wish we had the parliament for debates.

I would *love* a U.S. version of Canada's Question Period. That shiat is awesome TV.

You guys don't have anything similiar? Wow. Question period is about the only time you get the occasional straight answer. Rare, but it happens.


No, we don't. I miss Canada. A lot.

/will probably apply for perm residency as soon as she can afford to go
 
2013-09-24 10:19:43 PM  
So Cruz doesn't want employer-provided health care or exchanges?  What is his solution then?  Single payer?
 
2013-09-24 10:22:02 PM  
Has there ever been a more retarded attempt at grandstanding than this "fake filibuster"?

And per Ezra Klein: "Cruz opposes raising taxes on the wealthy. The public supports it. Cruz opposes gun control. The public supports it. Cruz supports sharply cutting spending on Medicare and Social Security. The public opposes it. If Cruz actually believed his job was directly representing the will of the people, his voting record would be extremely different than it is. ...Cruz's filibuster is self-refuting."
 
2013-09-24 10:23:53 PM  

NeoCortex42: So Cruz doesn't want employer-provided health care or exchanges?  What is his solution then?  Single payer?


Look at his history, when has he ever suffered for need for coverage? Solicitor General for Texas --- major partner at one of the oldest law firms in the US? He's never been in need of ANYTHING
 
2013-09-24 10:25:07 PM  

moonscatter: NeoCortex42: So Cruz doesn't want employer-provided health care or exchanges?  What is his solution then?  Single payer?

Look at his history, when has he ever suffered for need for coverage? Solicitor General for Texas --- major partner at one of the oldest law firms in the US? He's never been in need of ANYTHING


What about a conscience?

Although I guess having one would mean he'd have to quit his job.
 
2013-09-24 10:26:34 PM  

NeoCortex42: So Cruz doesn't want employer-provided health care or exchanges?  What is his solution then?  Single payer?


Whoa, there, fella. The GOP isn't about "solutions."
 
2013-09-24 10:29:03 PM  

NeoCortex42: moonscatter: NeoCortex42: So Cruz doesn't want employer-provided health care or exchanges?  What is his solution then?  Single payer?

Look at his history, when has he ever suffered for need for coverage? Solicitor General for Texas --- major partner at one of the oldest law firms in the US? He's never been in need of ANYTHING

What about a conscience?

Although I guess having one would mean he'd have to quit his job.


Well, he left being a lawyer to be a senator.... I don't think his soul has been in play for a very very long time...
 
2013-09-24 10:33:24 PM  
I want Cruz to respond to Utah with "I'm sorry... what was the question again?" and kill more time ;)
 
2013-09-24 10:33:29 PM  
Mike Lee sounds like a very confused individual.
 
2013-09-24 10:35:20 PM  
I will pistol whip the next person who says "Obamacare".
 
2013-09-24 10:38:20 PM  

moonscatter: almandot: 12349876: NeoCortex42: I wish there was a rule during "filibusters": only questions from dissenting opinions can be asked. No more of this "My question is why are you so awesome?" BS.

I'd be okay with the Dems dishing out some trolling BS.  Like "When are you going to officially renounce your Canadian citizenship?"

I moderately enjoy Cruz's comebacks after the Dem questions he got. I wish we had the parliament for debates.

Cruz is VERY skilled at oral argument. He was Solicitor General in Texas, he's argued successfully in front of the Supreme Court, he was THE SCOTUS partner at my firm...


Really? His oratory seems kind of amateurish to me. He strikes me as one of those people that can talk a lot without ever actually saying anything. Plus, he's pretty low on the charisma scale.
 
2013-09-24 10:39:05 PM  
Did he just attribute an Abe Lincoln quote to PT Barnum?
 
2013-09-24 10:39:38 PM  
Wooo Fox News endorsement protecting the people from the mass media!
 
2013-09-24 10:39:58 PM  

PocketfullaSass: moonscatter: almandot: 12349876: NeoCortex42: I wish there was a rule during "filibusters": only questions from dissenting opinions can be asked. No more of this "My question is why are you so awesome?" BS.

I'd be okay with the Dems dishing out some trolling BS.  Like "When are you going to officially renounce your Canadian citizenship?"

I moderately enjoy Cruz's comebacks after the Dem questions he got. I wish we had the parliament for debates.

Cruz is VERY skilled at oral argument. He was Solicitor General in Texas, he's argued successfully in front of the Supreme Court, he was THE SCOTUS partner at my firm...

Really? His oratory seems kind of amateurish to me. He strikes me as one of those people that can talk a lot without ever actually saying anything. Plus, he's pretty low on the charisma scale.


Not to mention, his pivots to Durbin's questions weren't exactly graceful or subtle.
 
2013-09-24 10:40:04 PM  

tricycleracer: I will pistol whip the next person who says "Obamacare".


How about "shiatty-more-exepensive-and-you-are-required-to-pay-for" care?
 
2013-09-24 10:41:56 PM  

NeoCortex42: Did he just attribute an Abe Lincoln quote to PT Barnum?


You can fool all of the people some of the time, once, and shame on you, but you can't get fooled again.
 
2013-09-24 10:43:43 PM  

almandot: Wooo Fox News endorsement protecting the people from the mass media!


I just stood up and started belting out The Battle Hymn of the Republic while waiving the Gadsden Flag and vigorously pelvic thrusting.
 
2013-09-24 10:44:00 PM  

noheadphones: tricycleracer: I will pistol whip the next person who says "Obamacare".

How about "shiatty-more-exepensive-and-you-are-required-to-pay-for" care?


You sound infromed.
 
2013-09-24 10:45:43 PM  

tricycleracer: noheadphones: tricycleracer: I will pistol whip the next person who says "Obamacare".

How about "shiatty-more-exepensive-and-you-are-required-to-pay-for" care?

You sound infromed.


Very much so!

You sound sheep-y.
 
2013-09-24 10:47:29 PM  
noheadphones:

Very much so!

How so?
 
2013-09-24 10:50:36 PM  
I should also mention that I'm wearing tighty whities and a sleeveless tee shirt.
 
2013-09-24 10:50:41 PM  

birdmanesq: almandot: Wooo Fox News endorsement protecting the people from the mass media!

I just stood up and started belting out The Battle Hymn of the Republic while waiving the Gadsden Flag and vigorously pelvic thrusting.


Please upload a video of this episode tout suite. TIA. :P
 
2013-09-24 10:51:29 PM  

bwilson27: noheadphones:

Very much so!

How so?


I would guess 8 to 10 hours of Fox News per day keeps him well infromed.
 
2013-09-24 10:55:45 PM  
So now they're the heroes who stopped the invasion of Syria?

I guess it had nothing to do with Kerry and Putin finding a way put of it.
 
2013-09-24 10:57:26 PM  

NeoCortex42: So now they're the heroes who stopped the invasion of Syria?

I guess it had nothing to do with Kerry and Putin finding a way put of it.


Whaaaaaaaaaaat?

Where's a livestream of this wharbledegook?
 
2013-09-24 10:57:34 PM  

NeoCortex42: So Cruz doesn't want employer-provided health care or exchanges?  What is his solution then?  Single payer?


fark you, that's his answer.
 
2013-09-24 10:57:55 PM  
Rafael Eduardo Cruz: "Math is Poppycock"
 
2013-09-24 10:58:04 PM  

max_pooper: bwilson27: noheadphones:

Very much so!

How so?

I would guess 8 to 10 hours of Fox News per day keeps him well infromed.


oh c'mon man.  It's not a left vs. right debate.  Ask yourself why we aren't fighting over universal healthcare right now.
 
2013-09-24 10:58:30 PM  

Kittypie070: NeoCortex42: So now they're the heroes who stopped the invasion of Syria?

I guess it had nothing to do with Kerry and Putin finding a way put of it.

Whaaaaaaaaaaat?

Where's a livestream of this wharbledegook?


I'm watching on C-SPAN2. There's got to be a web stream out there somewhere.

He just used the legal term 'poppycock'.
 
2013-09-24 11:00:03 PM  

noheadphones: max_pooper: bwilson27: noheadphones:

Very much so!

How so?

I would guess 8 to 10 hours of Fox News per day keeps him well infromed.

oh c'mon man.  It's not a left vs. right debate.  Ask yourself why we aren't fighting over universal healthcare right now.


"Self, why aren't we fighting over universal healthcare right now?"
"Because we're too busy fighting Obamacare?"
 
2013-09-24 11:00:05 PM  
Serious - can anyone explain what the point of this is? Is there literally any point other than "Ted Cruz wants attention"?
 
2013-09-24 11:01:57 PM  
"How many more Americans will have to see their wages or their hours cut as a result of this ill-conceived law before we do something about this?" Vitter asked.

Business owners, in an effort to avoid having to pay for healthcare for their employees, will cut employee hours to 39 so none of them are "full-time." And this is the fault of Obamacare.

This is what Republicans actually think.
 
2013-09-24 11:02:35 PM  

DamnYankees: Serious - can anyone explain what the point of this is? Is there literally any point other than "Ted Cruz wants attention"?


Maybe he wants an easy reference point for when his political career actually ended.

Even GOP members like McCain have some sense of how to pick their battles. This is the kind of stuff that will lead to a party purge sooner than later.
 
2013-09-24 11:03:01 PM  

DamnYankees: Serious - can anyone explain what the point of this is? Is there literally any point other than "Ted Cruz wants attention"?


It's more of a "we didn't get our way, and we're going to cry about it until the other side gives us what we want" kinda thing.
 
2013-09-24 11:04:00 PM  

NeoCortex42: Kittypie070: NeoCortex42: So now they're the heroes who stopped the invasion of Syria?

I guess it had nothing to do with Kerry and Putin finding a way put of it.

Whaaaaaaaaaaat?

Where's a livestream of this wharbledegook?


I'm watching on C-SPAN2. There's got to be a web stream out there somewhere.

He just used the legal term 'poppycock'.


Thanks.
 
2013-09-24 11:04:02 PM  

Lando Lincoln: "How many more Americans will have to see their wages or their hours cut as a result of this ill-conceived law before we do something about this?" Vitter asked.

Business owners, in an effort to avoid having to pay for healthcare for their employees, will cut employee hours to 39 so none of them are "full-time." And this is the fault of Obamacare.

This is what Republicans actually think.


Am I the only person who realizes that the vast majority of those people will now qualify for Medicaid, and get 100% free health care, because their employer doesn't want to try to cover them?
 
2013-09-24 11:04:44 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Warning:  Reagan fellatio in progress

"Reagan restrained the growth of government spending."


/spit take
 
2013-09-24 11:05:36 PM  

Lando Lincoln: DamnYankees: Serious - can anyone explain what the point of this is? Is there literally any point other than "Ted Cruz wants attention"?

It's more of a "we didn't get our way, and we're going to cry about it until the other side gives us what we want" kinda thing.


But it won't even accomplish that. At least Rand Paul's filibuster was (i) actually a filibuster and (ii) raised the profile of a serious issue, even though it was raised stupidly and in bad faith. This is literally nothing more than a man who wants to talk keep talking for absolutely no reason.
 
2013-09-24 11:05:49 PM  
Cruz does NOT want to answer the pre-existing condition question, does he?
 
2013-09-24 11:06:07 PM  

DamnYankees: Serious - can anyone explain what the point of this is? Is there literally any point other than "Ted Cruz wants attention"?


Cruz is wagering that obamacare will be a clusterfark, putting him at the center of the debate in 2016, when he runs for prez.
 
2013-09-24 11:07:07 PM  

noheadphones: DamnYankees: Serious - can anyone explain what the point of this is? Is there literally any point other than "Ted Cruz wants attention"?

Cruz is wagering that obamacare will be a clusterfark, putting him at the center of the debate in 2016, when he runs for prez.


And he's just as wrong in thinking that, too.
 
2013-09-24 11:07:27 PM  

noheadphones: DamnYankees: Serious - can anyone explain what the point of this is? Is there literally any point other than "Ted Cruz wants attention"?

Cruz is wagering that obamacare will be a clusterfark, putting him at the center of the debate in 2016, when he runs for prez.


He already said it's not working.  Maybe that's because the majority of the law hasn't taken effect.
 
2013-09-24 11:07:42 PM  
Holy crap, I think he's actually arguing in favor of denying coverage for preexisting conditions.
 
2013-09-24 11:07:59 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Business owners, in an effort to avoid having to pay for healthcare for their employees, will cut employee hours to 39 so none of them are "full-time."


The cutoff is actually under 30 hours - it's so employers aren't forced to insure part time employees. This has led to some part time or borderline part time workers to have their hours cut to under 30 hours. But of course the GOP's disinformation campaign is going to make it sound like everybody is going to get their hours cut.
 
2013-09-24 11:08:23 PM  

NeoCortex42: Holy crap, I think he's actually arguing in favor of denying coverage for preexisting conditions.


He's an evil republican, right? Then of course he is.
 
2013-09-24 11:08:24 PM  

DamnYankees: Serious - can anyone explain what the point of this is? Is there literally any point other than "Ted Cruz wants attention"?


Whip the right into a lather?

I mean, I think Obamacare has become a useful strawman on which conservatives can project all manner of domestic ills. Can't get a job? Obamacare. Boss cuts your hours? Obamacare. Falling behind in your mortgage payments? Obamacare. Economy sucks? Obamacare. People are working hard to subsidize folks who are milking the system? Obamacare. Health care costs increase? Obamacare.

It's a useful whipping boy, and a useful distraction from the systematic problems in our economy (and, really, society as a whole).
 
2013-09-24 11:09:02 PM  

noheadphones: DamnYankees: Serious - can anyone explain what the point of this is? Is there literally any point other than "Ted Cruz wants attention"?

Cruz is wagering that obamacare will be a clusterfark, putting him at the center of the debate in 2016, when he runs for prez.


Couldn't that have been accomplished by a 1 hour speech? I mean, he already had that mantle.
 
2013-09-24 11:10:13 PM  

NeoCortex42: Holy crap, I think he's actually arguing in favor of denying coverage for preexisting conditions.


I turned it off. Please tell me he didn't really say that.
 
2013-09-24 11:11:31 PM  

bwilson27: NeoCortex42: Holy crap, I think he's actually arguing in favor of denying coverage for preexisting conditions.

He's an evil republican, right? Then of course he is.


Even other republicans know better than to voice that opinion. He is just incapable of saying any part of Obamacare is good.


And now he is literally saying "if you can't get insurance, just get a better job". The longer he talks, the more footage he's just providing for future election opponents.
 
2013-09-24 11:11:58 PM  

birdmanesq: DamnYankees: Serious - can anyone explain what the point of this is? Is there literally any point other than "Ted Cruz wants attention"?

Whip the right into a lather?


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2013-09-24 11:12:52 PM  

birdmanesq: NeoCortex42: Holy crap, I think he's actually arguing in favor of denying coverage for preexisting conditions.

I turned it off. Please tell me he didn't really say that.


It was more long-winded , but yes.

His analogy was fire insurance. "You can't expect coverage on your house after it's already burned down".
 
2013-09-24 11:14:08 PM  
Hours ago he read a passage from Green Eggs And Ham. 
It's  about someone who hated something blindly, tried it, and ended up loving it in the end. Oh the irony.
 
2013-09-24 11:15:17 PM  

Altitude5280: Hours ago he read a passage from Green Eggs And Ham. 
It's  about someone who hated something blindly, tried it, and ended up loving it in the end. Oh the irony.


It just goes to show that some republicans have zero self-awareness.
 
2013-09-24 11:19:00 PM  

DamnYankees: noheadphones: DamnYankees: Serious - can anyone explain what the point of this is? Is there literally any point other than "Ted Cruz wants attention"?

Cruz is wagering that obamacare will be a clusterfark, putting him at the center of the debate in 2016, when he runs for prez.

Couldn't that have been accomplished by a 1 hour speech? I mean, he already had that mantle.


I'm not sure this is doing him any good but really we should have had a forum like this, and more of an open debate, a long time ago.

Also he's a politician and there wasn't a better opportunity to hog the spotlight and control some sort of narrative better than now. This is a huge issue to many Americans --most Americans don't want the ACA, so it could be a game well played by Cruz. We will see. There's a lot to criticize, and will make for some crazy shiat.
 
2013-09-24 11:19:02 PM  

NeoCortex42: birdmanesq: NeoCortex42: Holy crap, I think he's actually arguing in favor of denying coverage for preexisting conditions.

I turned it off. Please tell me he didn't really say that.

It was more long-winded , but yes.

His analogy was fire insurance. "You can't expect coverage on your house after it's already burned down".


That's such a mornic analogy.

A better one would be that you get denied insurance on your new house after your other house burned down. As far as I know, homeowners insurance doesn't work this way.
 
2013-09-24 11:20:14 PM  

NeoCortex42: birdmanesq: NeoCortex42: Holy crap, I think he's actually arguing in favor of denying coverage for preexisting conditions.

I turned it off. Please tell me he didn't really say that.

It was more long-winded , but yes.

His analogy was fire insurance. "You can't expect coverage on your house after it's already burned down".


"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to be free.....hey hey hey you! You with the diabetes! Back on the boat."
 
2013-09-24 11:21:34 PM  

noheadphones: I like it.  Maybe the one thing Ted Cruz has done that I agree with.

Obamacare is very bad--if you hated the health care industry before, it's now going to get massive, defense industry level.


Good. We're awesome at making shiat that kills people. Let's put that much effort or more into keeping people from getting sick and dying of preventable diseases.
 
2013-09-24 11:21:50 PM  
Tim Kaine now calling Cruz on what the public really wants in terms of the 2012 election as a referendum of Obamacare.
 
2013-09-24 11:22:33 PM  

NeoCortex42: Altitude5280: Hours ago he read a passage from Green Eggs And Ham. 
It's  about someone who hated something blindly, tried it, and ended up loving it in the end. Oh the irony.

It just goes to show that some republicans have zero self-awareness.


To say nothing of basic reading comprehension. It's just too funny.
 
2013-09-24 11:24:14 PM  
Cruz: The 2012 election was a whole year ago. The past year has been like Pearl Harbor. The people have changed their minds.
 
2013-09-24 11:24:58 PM  

NeoCortex42: Cruz: The 2012 election was a whole year ago. The past year has been like Pearl Harbor. The people have changed their minds.


Did he really say that?
 
2013-09-24 11:27:09 PM  

Mrtraveler01: NeoCortex42: Cruz: The 2012 election was a whole year ago. The past year has been like Pearl Harbor. The people have changed their minds.

Did he really say that?


More or less. His argument was about campaign promises.
- before WWII, lots of senators promised to stay out of the war
- Pearl Harbor happened
- senators and constituents changed their minds, just like they've changed their minds about Obamacare now.
 
2013-09-24 11:27:12 PM  
Strom Thurmond approves.
 
2013-09-24 11:27:17 PM  
wtf is this Mitt Romney person Cruz is talking about now?
 
2013-09-24 11:28:13 PM  

noheadphones: Americans don't want the ACA


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