untaken_name: cars are more than twice as deadly as guns
PunGent: The NRA, obviously. They CLAIM they want better mental health reporting, yet threaten (and succeed in) ousting politicians who actually propose such laws. Your proposal has been part of federal law since 1968; who do you think blocked effective funding for the last forty years?
CujoQuarrel: How could you possibly come up with the correct statistics for this since most mass shooting happen is a place where civilians aren't allowed to have firearms? Kinda throws the numbers
untaken_name: Peter von Nostrand: because i'm okay with universal background checksQuery: How would background checks have helped in this latest massacre, in which the guy got his guns from a Navy weapons cache and from the bodies of people he killed? Do they have a machine that does background checks before you can loot a corpse?
OrangeSnapper: feckingmorons:Thousands Hundreds of times each month year lawfully armed citizens protect themselves and their families with firearms.[www.renegadepopo.com image 306x256] Thousands Tens of thousands of times each year lawfully armed citizens protect themselves and their families kill themselves and each other with firearms.[api.ning.com image 850x689]
doglover: People want to die, they kill themselves. The method doesn't matter.
Ghastly: feckingmorons: Thousands of times each month lawfully armed citizens protect themselves and their families with firearms.Wow.... when you put it like that it really makes you think. What a shiat hole of a country you live in.Seriously, instead of giving every farking nutjob out there an AR-15 and as much ammo as he can carry why don't you as a nation start taking on the root causes that make your citizens want to do harm to one another.
untaken_name: Ghastly: "why the fark do I live in a country where I need to have a gun to feel safe".Why do you equate feeling safe with being safe? They aren't connected. Someone can easily feel safe without being so, or be safe without feeling so. What importance does feeling safe have, compared to actually being safe? If ones stays in rural areas in the US, one has very, very little to actually fear. Cities are chock foll of actual danger, but people seem to feel safer there. One of life's little oddities.
Brainsick: I_C_Weener: But nearly every week there is some story of a robbery or home invasion being stopped or partially stopped by defensive gun use.Can you post one from say...this month? Difficulty: No NRA Links
doglover: OrangeSnapper: feckingmorons:Thousands Hundreds of times each month year lawfully armed citizens protect themselves and their families with firearms.[www.renegadepopo.com image 306x256] Thousands Tens of thousands of times each year lawfully armed citizens protect themselves and their families kill themselves and each other with firearms.[api.ning.com image 850x689]Suicide is not a statistic you wanna bring up if you're anti gun. People want to die, they kill themselves. The method doesn't matter.In Japan, the sucide rate is INSANE. It's high as the total US murder rate. And yet... not a firearm to be had without serious licensing. If you think firearms regulation will lower suicide rates, you're objectively and demonstratively wrong.
feckingmorons: Yes, I am literally correct. My facts are correct, my assertion is valid and supported by evidence. Is there some better way to be correct?
Nina_Hartley's_Ass: doglover: People want to die, they kill themselves. The method doesn't matter.Wrong.And this isn't Japan.
433: DRTFA, DRTcomments.A shooting at Smith County Courthouse in Texas was halted by a man with a sidearm. The shooter had shot several people in the courthouse, several more outside. A man with a concealed-carry license drew on him, and struck the shooter, mortally wounding him. The shooter fatally shot the man firing at him, and fled in a pickup. He wrecked the truck a distance later, dead.This event may not be considered a mass shooting by some measures, but it was agreed by the witnesses that lives were saved by the man who shot the suspect, by drawing his attention (and fire) away.I wouldn't expect Salon to consider my hometown of 100k in East Texas in their article. It's likely that the man with the concealed-carry would have been armed even had he been without the license, but really, I don't know. He did, however make a heroic move against a man who was about to hurt other people. Without a pistol, he may have rushed the guy, he was said to have been that sort of character.The thrust of all this is the following: Men like him are the sort of person you want to have a concealed carry license.Determining that kind of character can't be done qualitatively by the government at the public level. I don't know what to do about that. However, when it is time for a man or woman to step up, I want that person to be there, in whatever manner they deem fit.
What_Would_Jimi_Do: gun violence is bad. buying a gun LEGALLY should be hard. showing ID and fingerprints that can be traced. a waiting period to track your record.just like voting should be.
doglover: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: doglover: People want to die, they kill themselves. The method doesn't matter.Wrong.And this isn't Japan.In Japan, g is 9.8 m/ss at sea level. But america isn't japan so wear spiked shoes or you'll fly into space.
Peter von Nostrand: /i get called a gun grabber all the time because i'm okay with universal background checks
neongoats: It sucks too, your average gun show 15 years ago wasn't that crazy or insane an affair. Now? Its basically a white power rally where you can trade a bag of meth for an ar15.
VendorXeno: Peter von Nostrand: /i get called a gun grabber all the time because i'm okay with universal background checksThis right here sums up the "dialogue" entirely. There, as usual, two sides to the debate. On one side we have millions of people promoting intelligent gun reform and then the other side who pretty much exclusively lies about the first side and claims it just wants to "take away all guns." It's the only note the neoconservative movement has anymore, lie about everything to consistently thwart any social progress whatsoever.
thamike: neongoats: It sucks too, your average gun show 15 years ago wasn't that crazy or insane an affair. Now? Its basically a white power rally where you can trade a bag of meth for an ar15.I just went to one in VA. It was the most polite, civil affair I have ever seen. Then again, everyone was armed. It's funny, they're kind of right that if everyone is aware of the real possibility of getting shot, most likely they will be more polite. The problem lies in the fact that that shouldn't be a point of pride.
Mentat: With two mass shootings at military installations, it's clear that we need to arm our soldiers.
omeganuepsilon: You conveniently leave out the hoplophobes that don't think any civilian should have a gun. Pretending they don't exist sort of hints at you being less in desire of intelligent gun reform and more along those lines.
feckingmorons: What is the methodology of making up numbers of things that don't happen?
hasty ambush: Mass Killings Stopped by Armed CitizensPearl High School LinkAppalacian Law School LinkMuskegon Shooting LinkNew Life Church LinkSanta Clara Gunshop LinkAniston Shoney's Shooting LinkGolden Food Market Shooting LinkEarly Texas Peach House Shooting Link.AT&T store LinkCollege Park, GA, May 4, 2009.College Park LinkTrolley Square Shooting LinkWinnemucca NV shooting, 25 May, 2008Winnemuca Shooting LinkParker Middle School Dance Shooting LinKDestiny Christian Center Shooting, April 24, 2012Destiny Christian Center Shooting LinKTyler Courthouse Shooting Link
hasty ambush: according to economist John Lott.
SauronWasFramed: Salon fail. Pearl MS was stopped by an Asst principal
Cagey B: feckingmorons: Not a single house burned down when an extinguisher was used to put out a small kitchen fire. That follows the same logic.That's not "logic". That's "retarded grasping". Fire starts in a house. Person sprays it with fire extinguisher. Problem solved. The analogous situation would be person starts shooting the place up, Heroic Armed Republican Citizen then shoots maniac, problem solved. There seems to be a lack of cases of the latter happening.feckingmorons: If an armed citizen stops a criminal before we have a mass shooting then we don't have a mass shooting.Oh boy. Yes, please keep going in that direction. Double down.feckingmorons: Thousands of times each month lawfully armed citizens protect themselves and their families with firearms.
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