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2013-09-17 12:07:10 PM  
4 votes:

dittybopper: Fano: Carousel Beast: dittybopper: Barfmaker: Part of the problem is the elements are being set against each other, the Air Force wants to dump the A-10's because they know the Army will scream and then maybe they'll get some extra budget for it if they keep them.


Basically, I was saying (with tongue planted firmly in cheek) that the Air Force isn't a real military service.

How to Tell the Difference Between the Branches of the US Armed Forces!
If you give the command "SECURE THE BUILDING", here is what the different services would do:
The NAVY would turn out the lights and lock the doors.
The ARMY would surround the building with defensive fortifications, tanks and concertina wire.
The MARINE CORPS would assault the building, using overlapping fields of fire from all appropriate points on the perimeter.
The AIR FORCE would take out a three-year lease with an option to buy the building.
2013-09-17 09:23:41 AM  
4 votes:
Ladies and gentlemen, the A-10 replacement:
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2013-09-17 10:25:38 AM  
3 votes:
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RIP Cobra Rattler

2013-09-17 03:59:39 PM  
2 votes:

Lt. Cheese Weasel: [www.fly-fighter-jet.com image 560x340]

Hai Guyz!  What's goin' on in this thread?

When F22 Raptors show up, everyone bugs out.  EVERYONE.

The omnipresent fear that the pilot will pass out and crash on top of you tends to cause that.
2013-09-17 10:24:29 AM  
2 votes:

Shrugging Atlas: Mock26: And, Yes, the A-10 is probably more effective than all of those other weapons I mentioned, but that was not my point.  My point is that the Army is still fully capable of taking out enemy tanks without help from the Air Force.  The Air Force just makes it a lot easier for them!

So in trying to make a case for getting rid of the A-10 you just opt to ignore the single most important reason for keeping it?

"Hey, I know the A-10 excels in its role as a close air support and anti-armor platform, but here's a pile of alternatives that range from 'not an option because they no longer are in the arsenal' to 'shiatty.'  That's not terribly convincing.  Why don't you just list entire platoons of infantry equipped with nothing but SMAWs to bum rush the armor.  They can kill tanks too!

The Krauts have been fielding this new weapon called a 'panzerschreck'. It apparently schrecks panzers.
2013-09-17 09:28:34 AM  
2 votes:

Valiente: You can't run an empire with hand puppets, 'Murica.

Don't make us come up there and liberate your asses, beaver humper.
2013-09-18 01:51:58 AM  
1 vote:

Kittypie070: 2wolves: ModeratelyProfane: Newer isn't always better, chum.

Kabar, as one example.

I need someone to teach me how to fight with a Kabar. I has one and I love the thing dearly.

1/leave kabar in sheath
2/use a firearm
2013-09-17 05:52:54 PM  
1 vote:
I need CAS, send in a drone!

2013-09-17 03:55:39 PM  
1 vote:
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Hai Guyz!  What's goin' on in this thread?

When F22 Raptors show up, everyone bugs out.  EVERYONE.
2013-09-17 02:37:44 PM  
1 vote:

netcentric: ModeratelyProfane: netcentric: ModeratelyProfane: ...In short; You don't need a sleek, sexy, stealthy CAS craft. You want those enemy troops to hear it coming, and immediately start shiatting themselves. The A-10, and the AC-130 have this effect. Plus it's paid for, so...added bonus.

When this story first hit fark, I'm pretty sure I saw one comment that said "USMC: We'll take'em."

Well.... that is a very grunty thing to say.   Oooo Rah!    Get down there on the deck and fly slow and GUN baby !!

"You want those enemy troops to hear it coming..."

so they can turn the AAA on you.  And shoot an SA7 up the pipe and you flip over and nose in....

Great system you got there sport....

Let's look at the results: From the GW1
A-10  kills:
More than 900 Iraqi tanks
more than 2,000 other military vehicles
estimated 1,200 artillery pieces
A-10s also shot down two Iraqi helicopters with the GAU-8 cannon. The first of these was shot down by Captain Robert Swain over Kuwait on 6 February 1991, marking the A-10's first air-to-air victory.

Total A-10 losses: Seven. Four were shot down in combat, 3 returned to base, but were written off due to the heavy damage they took.

So, yeah, My stupid plan...isn't my stupid plan....It's the USAF's and it lead to the A-10 being the single most effective combat aircraft during Desert Storm.


Desert Storm was 20 years ago...   sorry, but time has passed you by


You know what else was fantastic?   Battleships, 8" towed guns,  A-1 skyraiders

Forgive me, but I don't see the realistic need for a 700 Billion dollar program that would drop million dollar missiles/bombs to replace an effective, proven, and more than capable airframe that does the same, better, with plain old bullets. Give me a bit I'll look up the A-10s numbers regarding combat effectiveness in the more recent conflicts. Beside the point: Yeah, a .50 sniper rifle is a damn sexy weapon, more than capable, of say...breeching a door. But would you use one with the much more durable, more portable 12 gauge Remington 870 military variant (based off of a +60 year old design) is available?

Newer isn't always better, chum.
2013-09-17 12:48:27 PM  
1 vote:

Publikwerks: Ladies and gentlemen, the A-10 replacement:
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I prefer the EM-50

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2013-09-17 12:28:17 PM  
1 vote:
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This should put everyone's mind at ease.. no worries A-10's replacement is100X more capable.
2013-09-17 11:56:15 AM  
1 vote:
Oh, the A-10.  It's what you get when you tell the Americans 'You can't build a flying tank, that's ludicrous" and they reply "The hell we can't."
2013-09-17 11:19:09 AM  
1 vote:

jankyboy: [latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com image 600x328]RIP Cobra Rattler

That was one of the main reasons I loved Cobra as a kid.
2013-09-17 10:56:27 AM  
1 vote:
Looks more like a puma to me.
2013-09-17 10:56:24 AM  
1 vote:
WhoopAssWayne (farkied: s/Whoop/Jack/): Valiente: You can't run an empire with hand puppets, 'Murica.

Don't make us come up there and liberate your asses, beaver humper.

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2013-09-17 10:55:39 AM  
1 vote:

LesserEvil: Publikwerks: Ladies and gentlemen, the A-10 replacement:
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Yeah, ultimately, drones will replace the ground attack role of the A-10. Less risk, less infrastructure (which is what cutting entire fleets is really about), and they can be deployed anywhere in the world - places you absolutely cannot risk having a human being taken prisoner.

They are cheaper to build, cheaper to fly, cheaper to deploy, cheaper to maintain. Their weapons systems get the job done with laser precision. A 30mm Vulcan cannon is awesome to watch, but a hellfire missile will get the job done just as well, without wasting a lot of ammo.

winner winner .... chicken dinner
2013-09-17 10:55:16 AM  
1 vote:

Detinwolf: The flying gun!  Who doesn't like an A-10?

Pretty much everyone on the wrong side of the muzzle of its gun.
2013-09-17 10:54:30 AM  
1 vote:

Carousel Beast: Really dude? I like mocking the chair force as much as the next guy, but come on.

Heh.  It's just my little dig.  My F-I-L retired from the Air Force.

/US Army.
2013-09-17 10:13:31 AM  
1 vote:
Ugly, but well hung.
2013-09-17 10:12:40 AM  
1 vote:
CSB time I guess (whatevah):

For my first go-round at graduate school back in the 90s, at UTSA, I crashed a fully-loaded KC-10 into Corpus Christi Bay just off the approach to NAS Corpus Christi.  I had it break up on impact and not ignite.

/fuel dispersal, currents modeling, and wind vectors, oh my!
2013-09-17 10:10:31 AM  
1 vote:
I love A-10 threads.. they're like pizza/burger/barbecue threads.
2013-09-17 10:06:27 AM  
1 vote:

Publikwerks: BigBooper: Publikwerks: But I don't see the United States fighting a traditional land war in the future.

So we will never become involved in another land war?

It must be nice to live in a reality where nothing ever changes.

Oh wait, it does, but mindsets like yours are why we always seem to start wars prepared to fight the last one.

Wait wait wait.... YOU are saying that I am the one "prepared to fight the last one. " when I'm advocating moving away from a plane designed to fight the war of the cold war to a plane designed to fight insurgencies???


well he did just finish reading a tom clancy novel so he is kind of an expert you know
2013-09-17 09:47:53 AM  
1 vote:
A10's are all we will have left after Skynet takes over, remember? don't scrap em!
2013-09-17 09:24:03 AM  
1 vote:
One Nation, One Plane, All Missions: The F-35
2013-09-17 09:23:54 AM  
1 vote:
Lets face it,  the military isn't going to start on any new conflicts for a couple years.   We're too broke as a country to take on any new action.

We will slowly wrap up our commitments and withdraw from current engagements.

The Army will shrink in the next 3 years
The Navy will shrink in the next 3 years
The Marines will shrink in the next 3 years
The Air Force will shrink in the next 3 years

The nations credit cards are maxed out.    We are no longer able to commit to all the programs we would like.  Cuts are going to happen (although this websource for this article is not a very good one).

This is the direction we have been headed in for several years,  it's not new.    People should have warmed up to it by now.

The peace dividend.... spend it wisely on immigration reform,  alternative energy and paying off several stimulus bills.
2013-09-17 09:18:45 AM  
1 vote:
All I know is when I call in the Warthog, it only takes three passes at the map.  It gets a good amount of kills, but come on people, you need take more than three runs at the map to turn the tide.  I'm on a team of morons!
2013-09-17 08:27:49 AM  
1 vote:
Also on the chopping block are F-15C fighter jets and a planned $6.8 billion purchase of new combat search-and-rescue helicopters, these sources say.

I hear Switzerland has a great deal on St Bernards with keg collars.
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