PainfulItching: Esroc: So, does anyone actually have any clue who set off the weapons in the first place? I'm hearing "evidence" for both sides all over the place.The DOD/White House hasn't publicly released the full info, saying they have to protect sources. Meaning they probably have people inside somewhere, and I would be shocked if they didn't - I would consider that to be standard operating procedure. They are giving senators the info in closed door meetings, and those senators who were against it, seem to be softening a bit, or at least open to the idea of listening to the possibilities. So there must be something there.There may be a release of information to the public, but it would be a leak, or it would be declassified in a few years.
generallyso: Because if there's one thing Iran is known for it's attacking its neighbors.Oh wait.
generallyso: Yes yes we've all seen the repeatedly debunked "threats" that amount to little more than intentional mistranslations and declarations that they will fight back against any attack
PainfulItching: Esroc: What would happen, realistically, if the U.S. more or less told the world to fark off and fix it's own problems? Like, say we completely backed out of the middle east entirely and just let them slaughter each other like they want? Granted, we'd be ignoring atrocities, but I don't see soldiers marching on Pyongyang so obviously atrocities aren't the real reason we're playing World Police.It's exactly how WWII started. Germany started taking over real estate they claimed was theirs that was taken away at the end of WWI, and by the time anyone could mount a defense, they had most of Europe. Same thing with Japan, they were able to take a bunch of islands in the Pacific in practically no time in a well planned operation.Then it took all of that effort and lives to dislodge them later. Meanwhile those atrocities were done on a much wider scale, since there were many more "enemies" (usually because of religion or ethnicity) to deal with.Sound familiar?
Esroc: So, does anyone actually have any clue who set off the weapons in the first place? I'm hearing "evidence" for both sides all over the place.
Kurmudgeon: Funny how quick conservatives were to attack for outdated wmd and fictional yellow cake, yet a gas attack that breaks treaty and leaves women and children dead only brings outrage if you attack the perpetrators.
darth_badger: A nation that is led by despotic and evil men, steals the rights of it's own citizens, fabricates lies to justify murdering people who could be innocent and violates international treaties probably should be attacked... oh wait a minute, never mind, go watch the NFL and X-Factor.
To The Escape Zeppelin!: I think it was most likely Assad's forces that did it, but I don't think that Assad ordered it. He and his government would have a lot to lose and little to gain by using chemical weapons, especially since they're already winning the war. He's already shown that he's well aware of how to work his image and public opinion and I doubt he wanted to give the US any excuse to act. I think the most likely scenario is some over-eager local commander combined with poor controls on the chemical weapons. Either that or it was something incredibly stupid, like someone grabbed chemical shells by accident.
JonnyG: Sigh. I imagine that people don't still believe it was Assad, despite how much the media wants us to think so. People are smarter than this.
Harry Freakstorm: They're in the area around Damascus Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
Captain Horatio Mindblower: I'm sure Bashar al Assad is a lying piece of shiat. But he's no threat to the United States. It's one thing (and a separate debate) to say we should attack, say, Iran, so they can't develop nuclear weapons. But chemical weapons are a century old; that cat's out of the bag. And hell, half the time, we sold them the bag.I'll save you all some time and tell you what will happen: the U.S. will attack Syria, Assad will fall, and the new regime will hate the U.S. Your tax dollars at work.
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