Stone Meadow: Oh, and I forgot...Manning and Snowden deserve to share this year's Nobel Peace Prize.
UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Headso: The people apologizing for the NSA have been slowly disappearing from these threads as more and more comes out about the extent of their lying.I hope this is trending worldwide.
Headso: The people apologizing for the NSA have been slowly disappearing from these threads as more and more comes out about the extent of their lying.
WTF Indeed: Obviously this public display of bureaucratic regulatory differences only further proves that America is a totalitarian state built on a mountain of lies and secrets functioning, albeit imperfect Democracy where governmental excesses are eventually reigned in.
BullBearMS: A federal judge sharply rebuked the National Security Agency in 2011 for repeatedly misleading the court that oversees its surveillance on domestic soil, including a program that is collecting tens of thousands of domestic e-mails and other Internet communications of Americans each year, according to a secret ruling made public on Wednesday.
bdub77: Besides, it only takes the wrong type of government once to really turn what is already operating into a stalinist nightmare.
HAMMERTOE: China White Tea: There are enough mewling quims who are terrified, first and foremost, of terrorists, that there will never be a sizable majority of people who want to see someone held accountable for this shiat.As more and more people are finding out, we are all "terrorists" in their eyes. Suddenly, the mewling stops and gets replaced with, "Me?!? You're assuming I'm a terrorist?!? For all the money you waste, do you people even have a farking clue?"
China White Tea: There are enough mewling quims who are terrified, first and foremost, of terrorists, that there will never be a sizable majority of people who want to see someone held accountable for this shiat.
LedZeppelinRule: You missed the fact that FISA was pretending to be upset that the NSA repeatedly was searching metadata using queries outside the scope of their authorization. And that's just what FISA was hoping the people hadn't found out about.
DarnoKonrad: bdub77: Look at the number of rejections by that court. They probably didn't bother to even read the documents.Also, there's no other side defending the other side of the argumentThe court rewrites request that don't comply with the Constitution rather than denying them outright.
FormlessOne: But, again, Snowden's the bad guy here, apparently.We have a completely dysfunctional process here, in which it's clear that, thanks to the circumspect way this surveillance was implemented, the NSA has been spying on Americans without any effective form of oversight or control, and that many of the people involved have lied about it, repeatedly, to the very folks supposedly providing that oversight and control.Remember, one of the big arguments used against Snowden is that he had adequate official channels that he could've used to report years of illegal, unethical activity by one of the nastiest organizations on the planet, rather than going public with classified information. It's pretty obvious that the argument is false. We have, instead, an interlocking chain of incredible ethical failure, from bottom to top, because no one looked too closely at a program that should've been scrutinized at every damned level.Your government isn't just lying to you - it's lying to itself, too. It believes it has control over its more extreme elements, when it's obvious that those elements ran roughshod over those controls, your rights, and the damned Constitution, and did so because it could. And yet, that same government wants to pin all the blame on the whistleblower.
bdub77: Bullsh*t. Look at the number of rejections by that court. They probably didn't bother to even read the documents.
bdub77: LOL. The FISA court. You mean the rubber stamp brigade? Even if the NSA wasn't lying to them, the FISA court hardly had any kind of oversight role. Nor does anyone have oversight over the FISA court.The Stasis were never this good.
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