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(Al Jazeera)   An "anomaly" goes to a level 3 "incident" at the Fukushima nuclear plant, regulator fears plant operator is full of sh*t, can't manage the crisis and is actually trying to grow monsters in the sea   ( america.aljazeera.com) divider line
    More: Scary, plant operator, Japan, nuclear plant, anomaly, Tokyo Electric Power Co.  
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2013-08-21 09:01:16 AM  
3 votes:
It has recently become apparent that Fukushima is super farked.  I watched a robotics documentary released this year, where they interviewed a bunch of guys at Honda.  They were talking about how they got pulled off the Asimo robot to design robots for the Fukushima incident... so they spent 4 months building this robot that could drive around opening and closing valves at the plant.  TEPCO comes along, checks it out, and goes "Yeah.. we'd like you to just replace the robotic hand with a Camera.  Right now we're at an assessment stage.. we dont think we'll be ready to start turning valves for 2-3 years."

What?  For real?  Then they never even accepted delivery of the robot, because apparently the inside of the plant is so farked up that its literally impossible to drive a robot in there over all the rubble.  Thats why there has been a sudden push for Humanoid robots.. because they need robots that can climb, crawl, jump, etc to navigate the obstacles and hazards.

In the end, if you read between the lines all over the place, it seems they probably knew Fukushima was a complete disaster right when it happened... but have done everything in their power to  not tell anybody in order to prevent panic and the inevitable damages to economy etc.
2013-08-21 10:29:25 AM  
2 votes:

Egoy3k: Sean M: Gotta love it when people don't think about of the implications of their work.    THIS is a classic example of something which should have been mostly thought out in the planning stages.   I do notice this occurs frequently with engineers for some reason.

I think nuclear power is a great thing -- but obviously we need more practical engineers who will think things through.   Hopefully operating plants will re-evaluate their current plants, but I know I'm dreaming on that.

Want to know how I know that you don't know many engineers?

There is a whole field of engineering devoted to contingency planning and risk management.  It's what engineers do. The problem is those things cost money and engineers are rarely the ones who write checks.

So much this.  I work in a technical field and virtually all engineering deficiencies are actually calculated risks (or outright dumb decisions) undertaken by bean counters and/or decision-makers focused on 'aggressive growth targets' and/or 'increased cost controls'.

The most galling part is when the engineers are dragged into post-mortems to defend things they didn't design.  Fortunately for me, my work is not life and death for anyone.  I can't even imagine what it must be like for someone designing buildings or bridges or cars or nuclear plants to see stock-price-driven changes to their designs that will with virtual certainty result in fatalities.

So, every time you read about some disaster that is related to something being poorly engineered, remember that the people issuing the press releases are the same people who made the decisions to opt out of safety and reliability features in order to save a few bucks, and since they control the flow of corporate information they certainly aren't going to blame themselves, hence the scapegoating of the engineers.
2013-08-21 09:41:28 AM  
2 votes:

Sean M: Gotta love it when people don't think about of the implications of their work.

you mean building a nuclear powerstation right on the coast of a tsunami prone earthquake zone wasnt the best idea?

who would of thought? oh wait the Japs did when they erected ancient warning stones in the area saying "dont build here because of tsunamis"
2013-08-21 09:10:19 AM  
2 votes:
Tepco is going to start moving spent fuel rods from the damaged,salt water corroded, debris filled roof top pond soon . its going to take over a year to "manually" move 1300+ rods which means there is plenty of time to drop, break, entangle, snap a rod or 3 cause a criticality incident and we all wake up to news headlines of a massive nuclear fire in what was formerly a water filled pond that now a molten nuclear bonfire.

think about that for a moment.
2013-08-21 11:43:18 AM  
1 vote:
In related new, Japan officially changes it's name to Shima.
2013-08-21 10:43:21 AM  
1 vote:

Deep Contact: We check steel from Japan for radiation and look for any monsters in the crates.

We received some steel parts from Japan not long ago and the sender threw some promotional dust masks (typical everyday dust masks with Japanese writing on them) in the crate before they sealed it up.  When we popped the crate open two employees saw the masks and went running. I had to explain to them that no these parts are not radioactive and not they won't kill you.
2013-08-21 10:40:44 AM  
1 vote:

vpb: So they are finally noticing that TEPCO can't manage a nuclear plant?  That's nice.  A little late, but nice.

Yeah hopefully the Japanese government decide to boot TEPCO around a bit and call in people who actually know what they're doing (which I'd argue TEPCO do) and will actually do it (which TEPCO by all accounts won't).

It's going to cost a pretty penny though and someones gonna have to pay.  But Fukushima's issues aren't on the same level as what happened to Chernobyl, it just needs time and money and listening to the god damn engineers and doing as they tell you.

I'm not an engineer but if a structural engineer tells me that building isn't safe... I believe them because they're a structural engineer ya know?
2013-08-21 09:49:06 AM  
1 vote:
Only one man boy can save us now.
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2013-08-21 09:45:59 AM  
1 vote:
And thus the first Kaiju was born, not from a rift but from our very own planet. And why not? The Japanese are set to build the first Jaegar to do battle with it.
2013-08-21 09:13:26 AM  
1 vote:
Breaking News:

The situation at Fukushima has been out of control since the Tohuku earthquake.

All reports otherwise were PR BS.
2013-08-21 08:56:57 AM  
1 vote:

Deep Contact: Good thing they weren't burning coal.

Coal has done more damage to the environment in the last week than Fukushima has done since the tsunami. The difference is that coal's damage is the proverbial slow boil of the frog, so the easily deluded ignore it instead of getting the fark out of the pot.
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2013-08-21 08:23:16 AM  
1 vote:
So they are finally noticing that TEPCO can't manage a nuclear plant?  That's nice.  A little late, but nice.
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