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(Exeter Express & Echo)   'These things happen from time to time': Satanists slice donkey's genitals, ear, tongue and eyes out possibly while it was still alive, Livestock Protection Officer doesn't seem that worried   ( exeterexpressandecho.co.uk) divider line
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2013-07-25 09:40:56 AM  
6 votes:
...local horse carers believe the butchery was part of an evil occult or Pagan ceremony by Devil worshippers.

The Devil is a Christian deity. Not pagan.
2013-07-25 11:27:01 AM  
2 votes:
Even though it's been pointed out already I feel the need to scream into the void one more time that Pagans  and Paganism have nothing to do with "Satanist" or "Devil Worshipers". People who "Devil Worship" are really just disaffected Christians who have latched on to the polar opposite of the same story. Pagans are far more threatening because they counter the entire narrative. This is why every time something like this happens you have people trying to instantly link it to Pagans and Paganism.
2013-07-25 11:24:51 AM  
2 votes:

J. Frank Parnell: Facetious_Speciest: Any being with superpowers that has worshipers is a deity where I come from.

No worshipers or superpowers in the bible. Not even a being, really.

Like i was saying, the entirety of the satan/devil mythos was created out of thin air.

... Kinda like any religion?
2013-07-25 11:05:28 AM  
2 votes:
Sounds like they have a bored psychopathic teen in the area.
2013-07-25 10:58:02 AM  
2 votes:
Satanic cults are to blame? Is it 1987 already?
2013-07-25 12:32:53 PM  
1 vote:
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2013-07-25 12:18:10 PM  
1 vote:

studs up: hairywoogit:
Conflating agriculture and religion.
I don't even know if this is an attempted carnivore troll or "all religions are death" troll. I do see you are right about being pretty damn fuzzy though. Eat a burger so you can get your energy up my friend. Vitamin M for clarity.

No attempt at trolling.  I simply see no real moral difference, and I am fine with eating meat, I occasionally do it myself.  The end result is the animal dies in order to serve humans in some way, and I am pretty sure that the difference in service is pretty irrelevant to the animal.  If you wish to pretty it up by calling it a different name, go right ahead.  Death is death.
2013-07-25 12:03:13 PM  
1 vote:

radarlove: Quite probably, but as I stated in my above post a second ago, not by the Christians. They just stole said mythos and twisted it to suit their own needs.

There are some people who believe the church invented it themselves, as an enforcer of the church. You better give money to the church and be obedient, or satan is going to get you and you'll burn in hell for eternity. Hell is another thing suspiciously missing from the bible.

I think it was probably a bit of both. Humans do tend to create supernatural villains on their own. The church just took advantage.
2013-07-25 12:02:50 PM  
1 vote:

Lady Indica: Di Atribe: Not sure if serious as I am still nursing the morning coffee, but.... atheists can't be Satanists?

Some don't believe in a literal 'Satan' but rather the symbolic concept. Just like people who quote Gordon Gecko, they don't really believe he's a real person, but rather the personification of their philosophical beliefs.

Neither is my cup o' tea.


Ended up reading LaVey's Satanic Bible when I lived in Boulder back in the day and had some friends in the Church of Satan.  I found it pretty abhorrent- not because of any demon or saucy ritual, but rather because the crux of the religion seems to be about self-service, which I think I've shown by this point is very much not my bag.

Interestingly, Gordon Gecko preached much the same.

Hard-right Republicans love Satanism, they just don't realize it yet.
2013-07-25 11:58:11 AM  
1 vote:
Sounds more like Old Testament rednecks to me. The ball-cutting is a sacrifice to THE LORD to take note of all those gaybo folk around and to do something about it.
2013-07-25 11:57:01 AM  
1 vote:
I am skeptical.

One, this type of animal mutilation is often attributed to Satanists, aliens, conspiracies, etc. But the attribution can not be proven in any way as nobody ever finds the alleged perps or unambiguous evidence that the perps exist.

Two, it is unlikely that there is any proof the animal was alive at the time of the organ losses. A live animal would resist the removal of these parts with vigour and violence. Where is the evidence of struggle wounds on the animal or of injured perps?

Three, this type of animal mutilation occurs naturally through out the animal world. Birds and small mammals, insects and other scavangers and predators typically eat the easy-to-get parts of the dead animal.

What parts of an animal can a small predator or scavenger eat easily?

The eyes. A delicacy.
The genitals. Rich in iron.
The tongue. Delicious.
The ears. Easy to gnaw with tiny teeth.
Horns. Rich in keratin.
Hair. Rich in keratin.
Bones. Once exposed, rich in calcium, etc. Good for sharpening and wearing down growing rodent teeth.

It may be objected that the cuts are too precise, surgical in nature, and thus could only be done by humans or sentient beings. This is not a solid objection because small sharp teeth and beaks can both produce remarkly neat results.

Rats and mice go into a carcass through the mouth or the anus and consume internal organs. Birds go for eyes and anything they can clip off. Ants love to eat hair and other bits rich in keratin. Horns will be gnawed by mice and other small animals which need to sharpen their teeth and which can digest and use keratin.

The easiest way into a carcass after the obvious entry points is through the belly. A butcher or a predator would slice open the carcass there.

Predators and scavengers eat hair, bones, hides and other parts for valuable nutrition that is not found in meat. In fact, if you head a protein-heavy diet, you need to eat a lot of fat and organ meats (humbles, as the British called them in former times) to balance out your nutrition.

There are several pieces of evidence not covered by these facts--the white paint on the leg and the signs of burns on the grass.

The white paint could either be a coincidence--the pony brushed up against a fence being painted recently, or a sign the pony was marked intentionally. Perhaps somebody did kill it intentionally, but that does not mean they took trophies.

As for the signs of "torches", it is unlikely that people would use torches over flashlights which are easier to carry, conceal, put on if disturbed, and so forth. This is the one piece of evidence that points unequivocally to cultish behaviour, but it is possible the pony was hit by lightning, which might have ignited the grass in the vicinity.

The allegations are not proven. The evidence does not necessarily support the proposed explanation.

Four:  how do you distinguish between the various kinds of "supernatural" explanation? Aliens, demons, devil-worshippers, conspiracies--they all operate in the same strange ways and animal mutiliations are blamed on them all. They are, in a word, fungible. You can not tell them apart or if you can, you can not always find the evidence to distinguish them meaningfully and reliably, because, one, none of them exist and two, it seems they operate in strange ways that are indistinguishable from more normal, natural explanations.

Somebody apparently slit the poor pony's belly with Occam's Razor.

I consider myself a Fortean but try to be scientific as well as skeptical, and I feel no need to make or maintain mysteries. There will always be a plentiful supply of mysteries and doubtful cases.

We are never going to run out of ignorance. It is our greatest natural resource.
2013-07-25 11:56:28 AM  
1 vote:

Devils (devi) are of Hindu origin, actually.

False etymology. The Sanskrit "deva" is a development of proto-Indo-European "deiwos," from which you (eventually) get such modern words as "deity." "Devil" comes from a Latin borrowing of the Greek for "slanderer."
2013-07-25 11:45:30 AM  
1 vote:

hairywoogit: Luminiferous Aether: hairywoogit:  I know England has far more restrictions on freedom of speech then we do, though they are working on it.

Just recalling Cameron's latest foray into limiting sexy free speech.
Clarification - citation requested for the "are working on it" part.
Now that I think about it, I probably can't even do that he++++++++[TRANSMISSION ABORTED]

Jameel vs WSJ appears to be eroding their insanely over the top anti-defamation laws, at least according to the wikipedia links.  Gaining freedom of speech once lost is pretty damn brutal though, so I expect its gonna be a seriously uphill struggle for them.  As a side note, "they" in this case does not mean the authorities in England, it is referring to agitators and other sorts attempting to disarm the legal apparatus that interferes with free speech. Please note that in no way do I claim they have anywhere near the freedoms we do, and even ours are being twiddled with in the name of "safety".

The devil in me tells you to fark off with your succinct and informative reply on the topic and question, while the angel on my shoulder just keeps saying "have faith! have faith!".

As usual, I'm siding with the devil, but now he replaces "fark off with your" for "thank you for your". Because not all devils are evil. They're a tricky lot.
2013-07-25 11:34:49 AM  
1 vote:
It wasn't a donkey, you ass. It was a pony.
2013-07-25 11:15:14 AM  
1 vote:
J. Frank Parnell

Not a deity.

Any being with superpowers that has worshipers is a deity where I come from.
2013-07-25 11:11:18 AM  
1 vote:

Facetious_Speciest: ...local horse carers believe the butchery was part of an evil occult or Pagan ceremony by Devil worshippers.

The Devil is a Christian deity. Not pagan.

Not a deity. More like a hollywood boogeyman. Much of what modern christians, and 'satanists', believe is formed more by movies than anything else.
2013-07-25 11:03:13 AM  
1 vote:
Di Atribe:  Or is it just one big troll so that people have an excuse to be assholes?

Yes. Most other religions, too.
2013-07-25 11:02:31 AM  
1 vote:
Di Atribe

Are Satanists really a thing?

Satanists really are a thing. Generally speaking, there are three main types: atheists, Satan-as-hero people, and "OMG TEH DARK LORD MAKES ME CUT!" folks.
2013-07-25 10:36:03 AM  
1 vote:
mutilated in a ring of fire

And it burns, burns, burns.....
2013-07-25 10:02:52 AM  
1 vote:
FTFA: The bodies had been arranged in a Satanic star shape, known as a pentangle, or laid out in a circle with their necks broken.

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The evidence is clear. Arrest all Moroccans.
2013-07-25 09:50:02 AM  
1 vote:
Guys like this are what gives Satanism a bad name.
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