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(The Local)   Young NSA spying critic organizing a walk to go spot some spies jokes about getting a knock at the door. Funny, until it actually happens   ( divider line
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11516 clicks; posted to Main » on 15 Jul 2013 at 2:18 PM (4 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2013-07-15 02:34:06 PM  
5 votes:
It's kind of silly until :

"Then they told me I should not put the meeting on the internet, that I should not write about it," he added

A government representative telling you how to behave when you're already behaving within the confines of the law is a bad thing.  Perhaps if there are specific laws and liabilities associated with events that get out of hand, they could have stated the laws as fact.
2013-07-15 02:36:12 PM  
4 votes:
"She said I should call them, that it was important that I did. So I did, and they asked me again about the Facebook entry, and how many people were expected and so on. Then they asked if I would go to see them or if they could come to see me for a personal conversation."

So...they didn't break down his door, give him burns with a flash grenade into his bedroom, shoot his dog, tackle his grandma, and put him in isolation for a week without charges or a lawyer.  Instead, they were courteous, polite, and accommodating (if a bit Big Brotherish).

This kid has no idea how lucky he is to live in Europe instead of the US.

/leader of the free world!
//agree with us or we bomb you
2013-07-15 02:25:12 PM  
4 votes:
That headline makes me feel like I'm having a stroke.

/and then the right side of my brain turned to the left side of my brain
//and said, "it's getting dark in here, I think we're dying."
2013-07-15 02:20:33 PM  
2 votes:
And the German government puts up with this?  This seems like the kind of thing that'll get our nice little NATO bases kicked out.
2013-07-15 04:08:10 PM  
1 vote:

Tenatra: Wolf_Blitzer: mcreadyblue: Wolf_Blitzer: ikanreed: And the German government puts up with this?  This seems like the kind of thing that'll get our nice little NATO bases kicked out.

They were German police. It doesn't matter if the Germans are pretending to be pissed at us right now to placate their whiners, if a "walk" turns into a riot that compromises the security of a US base on their soil, you have a major international incident.


I would think Yahoo publishing the location of the secret NSA spy center would be more of a compromise.

It's clearly a base, nobody is trying to hide that even if they won't confirm its an NSA facility. I'm talking more along the lines of fences getting trampled, facilities being entered etc. Protests (and lets be honest, this was a protest) against foreign facilities on US soil would get the same sort of attention.

The facility I worked at had a fence that would trigger an alarm if it was touched. If an alarm door from the building was tripped then all the base police on shift would speed down to our facility. The security forces had the authorization to use lethal force if you entered the fence without permission.

/Also good luck getting into the SCIF without a badge.

When I lived in Germany, we would once in a while hang out in the woods near a local US missile base (teenagers with nothing better to do). Before you would get anywhere close to the fence, a friendly voice would remind you over the speaker to move along, since there's nothing to see. And yes, just like any military installation, they're authorized to use lethal force.
2013-07-15 03:42:45 PM  
1 vote:
I know a homeless guy. He's something of an "executive homeless" type of person. He's got permission from a sympathetic landowner to camp out on the back side of the property, has a solar shower set up, really has this being homeless thing down to a fine art. He supports himself by selling paintings, and the guy is damn good.

He's active in the Occupy type movements, and has plenty of friends.

He announced that he was going to have a "Freedom to Assemble" rally/birthday party at the sidewalk near the intersection where he likes to hang out at. If you're a homeless person, where do you celebrate your birthday? On the street of course (or more accurately, the sidewarlk).

Being an attorney and sympathetic to this guy's cause, I investigated the local ordinances etc. There are some good reasons not to tolerate large masses of people showing up UNANNOUNCED on the streets; there are traffic, safety, and sanitation issues. It turns out that the local rule is that for less than 25 people or so, there's nothing required. For more than 25 people, a permit must be applied for that lets the city know such things as the route being taken (for a parade), whether any lanes of any streets need to be shut down, whether any barricades or trash bins are necessary, etc. I wasn't sure how many people would show up, but I could see it being around 30 or so. Better safe than sorry.

The night of the rally/birthday party, i set  up my camera to record the entire thing. I also set up a couple of bubble machines. I highly HIGHLY recommend bubble making machines for your next street rally. It really adds something festive. We never had more than 25 people at any one time it turned out. There was lots of sidewalk chalking, and biatching about The Man. I was in full lawyer regalia in case there was any police interaction, but none ever materialized. I did get to take a picture of me in one of those Guy Fawkes mask things, so I had that going for me. Which was nice.

There was some kind of gay pride something or other parade that some guy wanted to do right around the same period. It was shot down, and the guy screamed Help Help I'm Being Oppressed. The fact is just that he was a kid and he didn't have the right paperwork and hadn't jumped through the appropriate hoops or even realized that he needed to. The city really does sort of deserve to know what's going on, especially when it can impact traffic, safety, sanitation, etc.

My point being is that his facebook posting was ambiguous enough that it could have resulted in an impromptu rally and impact city services. There are ways to go about things. Some are smarter than others.

2013-07-15 03:36:56 PM  
1 vote:

MadHatter500: omgrtfa: The jackboots aren't what they used to be, thankfully!

Yes, these are much more comfortable.  Please tell the Fuhrer the line troops appreciate this.  We'll be able to kick in a lot more doors with these new boots.

In the new and peaceful Germany, jackboots are made by Birkenstock.
2013-07-15 03:30:37 PM  
1 vote:
 At least he didn't feel threatened by the secret police and have to hide in the attic.
2013-07-15 03:26:26 PM  
1 vote:

omgrtfa: The jackboots aren't what they used to be, thankfully!

Yes, these are much more comfortable.  Please tell the Fuhrer the line troops appreciate this.  We'll be able to kick in a lot more doors with these new boots.
2013-07-15 03:25:00 PM  
1 vote:

Ambitwistor: ikanreed: And the German government puts up with this?

They were the ones knocking on the door.

They like knocking on doors.  It's so... traditional.
2013-07-15 03:11:19 PM  
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2013-07-15 02:30:35 PM  
1 vote:
The jackboots aren't what they used to be, thankfully!
2013-07-15 02:25:22 PM  
1 vote:

kobrakai: That's coincidence. Not irony, dumbassmitter.

Not even a coincidence.
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