Astorix: Empty H: Let me see if I understand this. Some off duty cop overheard some friends betting a few bucks on a sports game. This off duty cop takes it upon himself to spend the next few months working the guy to get him to bet more and more. The cop works him up to the legal amount that can be punishable, goes to arrest him, then shoots him and blames it on not having enough sleep.Was there seriously nothing he could have spent those months doing that would have been more productive?How on Earth was this not deemed entrapment? It boggles the mind.
Nemo's Brother: While we were watching American Idol and doing the Harlem Shake, a police state was instituted. You can blame Bush or Obama (both are part of it), but that is stupid distractions designed by the statists go keep us under control.
Astorix: It was happening loooong before Bush and Obama/4 dead in Ohio
SomethingToDo: Wow, this thread is essentially two groups of people with differently shaped foil caps arguing over whether folding the foil on the edges or twisting it at the top is the best protection against gubmint moonbeams/OBAMA!/THE PIGS!
Astorix: Nemo's Brother: While we were watching American Idol and doing the Harlem Shake, a police state was instituted. You can blame Bush or Obama (both are part of it), but that is stupid distractions designed by the statists go keep us under control.It was happening loooong before Bush and Obama/4 dead in Ohio
HMS_Blinkin: Astorix: It was happening loooong before Bush and Obama/4 dead in OhioIndeed. I remember either reading or watching something (I can't remember) that posited the idea that this breakdown began when cops quit walking beats around towns and got into increasingly-well-armored vehicles. The idea was, that when we made this shift, the cops quit interacting with everyday people, and as such, lost touch with their communities. The cops became a community unto themselves, and that's led to an "us vs. them" mentality, except that the "them" are the people they're supposed to be protecting. From there, it's a natural progression for cops to become increasingly well-armed and aggressive.I don't know how valid that theory is---but it makes some degree of sense. Certainly the "neighborhood cop" is a thing of the past. And it can't be totally coincidental that neighborhood beat cops disappeared around the same time that police respect for civilians' rights did.
Pray 4 Mojo: Do we really need to go back SEVEN farking years to find police state outrages to write about?Yeah... 2006. Look it up./Salon.com can eat my farking ass.
Bonzo_1116: They did mention the guy that got shot in the back by the BART transit cop in Oakland, and the Davis pepper-spray pig, so it's not all old stuff---I think the author was going for a piece detailing the history of SWATification of the police, even for innocuous bullshiat like barbershop licensing. Can't do a historical piece without writing about things that happened further back than last week.
Barfmaker [TotalFark]It's amazing that, if for no other reason, jobs aren't somehow lost over an outrageously bad use of resources.
skozlaw: Stop electing people who are tough on crime. Start supporting politicians who are opposed to crimes of "vice". Start supporting heavy punitive damages against paramilitary forces that engage in this type of behavior.
Nemo's Brother: Smeggy Smurf: Fark It: raerae1980: nmemkha: Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.[generatormeme.com image 600x450]Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?So, what are you gonna do? What can we do?The police only care about themselves, and their pensions. Their qualified immunity needs to be seriously cut back, their special relationship with prosecutors and judges needs to be overlooked, and the lawsuits against them should come straight out of their pensions and pocketbooks, not from taxpayers.And if that doesn't work people should start shooting back.That's going to happen first./ask me about my pig proof front door design. 100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.I was inquiring about the pig-proof door design. As a future homeowner, I am curious.
Pray 4 Mojo: Every salon.com piece I've struggled through was about a 100 paragraphs that can be summed up in 4. Their contributors might as well masturbate on a piece of paper and scan it.In other words... TLDR.
SockMonkeyHolocaust: This makes me so angry. I am going to start a blog about it.
OnlyM3: Barfmaker [TotalFark]It's amazing that, if for no other reason, jobs aren't somehow lost over an outrageously bad use of resources.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Huck And Molly Ziegler: I recognize this won't be a popular viewpoint, but until cops are paid better -- which would allow cities the luxury of NOT having to employ every other malcontent bully who fills out an application form, but instead hire the better men and women out there who would be seeking that better salary -- then this trend will continue.If you gotta have a warm body out there, some places will cut corners, and that includes hiring men and women who are only 60 percent ethical, rather than 99 percent ethical.((The above also applies to teachers, in my opinion. If I won a 200 million dollar lottery, I'd fund a school system with $80,000-a-year elementary-school teachers just to see what happens.))
Kozmopoliskepticalopsis: Fark It: Kozmopoliskepticalopsis: I'll bet a large percentage of cops are right-wing lunatics of one sort or another.They're statists whose politics are irrelevant to the problem at hand, the dismissal of these tactics by partisan lemmings like you, something the author went to great pains to highlight if you had bothered reading the whole article. Part of the problem is exactly what you're doing, ascribing a certain political ideology to these horrible abuses in order to insulate your own.I did read the article and your objections to my comments are irrelevant.Anyone who worships guns, order, compliance, power and authority is a right-wing lunatic in my book. If they wear uniforms, even more so.
Smeggy Smurf: humanshrapnel: Smeggy Smurf: /ask me about my pig proof front door design. 100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.This is me asking....You can't afford it. It's only for rich home builders with eccentric tastes. But it damned well will scoff at even a .50/incorporated millibar and other exotic materials
Tatterdemalian: HempHead: I watched Dick Cheney phone into Fox News to lend support to President Obama in the Snowden affair. It was like I got sucked into an episode of the Twilight Zone.That's because you and reality have a long-distance relationship, and you haven't even texted it since weed went legal./Cheney would try to do the same Obama is doing//but the non-Fox media hates him, and they're the real power in the USA, so they'd pitch a big enough fit to make him behave///just like they did with Bush in Iraq, which is one of the reasons it didn't turn into the clusterfark Egypt turned into
Fark It: raerae1980: nmemkha: Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.[generatormeme.com image 600x450]Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?So, what are you gonna do? What can we do?The police only care about themselves, and their pensions. Their qualified immunity needs to be seriously cut back, their special relationship with prosecutors and judges needs to be overlooked, and the lawsuits against them should come straight out of their pensions and pocketbooks, not from taxpayers.And if that doesn't work people should start shooting back.
HempHead: In what reality do CNN, MSNBC, and ESPN weld the "real power"?
d23: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 300x168]"Why are Whatchu you reading for?"
d23: HempHead: In what reality do CNN, MSNBC, and ESPN weld the "real power"?I think you must underestimate how "bread and circuses" television is manipulating the knowledge on the ground in the U.S. There is no left or right bias, there is a pro-corporate bias in the U.S. media. Certain items never get discussed. Have you ever heard a fair discussion of corporate personhood in the commercial media? How about even a discussion about Internet downloading where the downloaders aren't labeled "pirates" from the very start?We don't have informative media is U.S. That's a huge part of the problem.
lostcat: Weaver95:For what little it's worth, I tend to agree....we are not as free a country as we like to believe.I tend to agree as well. Currently in Vietnam, where you'd have to actually hit someone with your car to get a traffic citation, and even that could be avoided with a big enough bribe.Basically, if you have the money to bribe the right people, you have unlimited freedom.Unless of course you want to complain about the government.In the US, I can complain about the government all day and night and it's not going to amount to much.Of course, any tiny infraction of a traffic rule will get me pulled over, or automatically cited by camera.I have to follow a ridiculous number of regulations, or even hire a lawyer, if I want to start a small business. Kids get their lemonade stands closed down by cops. In Vietnam I can just start selling whatever I want on the sidewalk, as long as I offer a small cut to any officials who come to inquire about it.But more importantly, in Vietnam, people tend to not jump down each others' throats if they think the other person is getting an unfair advantage by breaking some social convention, while in the US, you get people riding your bumper and flipping you off if you make the mistake of driving driving the actual posted speed limit, instead of going 5-10 MPH over it.Basically there's more of a feeling of freedom in some of the places that are technically not free. The only thing that seems better in the US is the reduced amount of government corruption, but we're not even completely free of that. And honestly, I think I could get by not starting a blog to complain about the government if I had to.
Recoil Therapy: Now I'm certainly not advocating this (because that would be wrong) but I read an idea in a thread a while ago that stuck with me. Paraphrasing - The only way that this is going to change is from within. The only way that's going to happen is if it personally impacts/affects the individual officers that cause the problems. Making taxpayers pay for their fark ups certainly does nothing to slow them down (if anything it makes them feel even more untouchable). The simple solution I saw proposed would take a community's involvement (for intelligence gathering if nothing else) but it could be done. That when a bad cop does something that clearly crosses the line (shooting a chained up dog, planting drugs on a traffic stop, leading SWAT raids to wrong houses, etc), their kids pay the price. You get a gangbanger, thug, future cop, whatever & give him $50 to beat the shiat out of the cop's kid & make sure that the kid understands that he got his butt kicked because his dad is doing things that he shouldn't be doing. If every time he does something seriously or morally wrong his kid gets beat up, eventually the message would sink in. You consider it an 'us vs them' society, fine we'll give you exactly that. /paraphrasingAgain, not advocating it but it is quite elegant in it's simplicity & potential for results./still will have to figure out something to do with the 22yr old 'roid freak with no kids
Tatterdemalian: Nobody is going to care enough to take effective action until we elect a Republican president. The closest we'll get to taking action will be telling people they are risking their lives making casual bets among friends and co-workers. Any further investigation will be branded conspiracy theory, and probably racist too./so vote Republican//your freedom actually does depend on it
rev. dave: It took me a while to read all the way through the article, I had to stop a couple times to calm down. What bothers me the most is that as someone who spends all his spare time just trying to get the bills paid, my feeling of helplessness is overwhelming. There is nothing I can do or say which will stop this. We are like antelopes being preyed upon by lions. We can only keep running and trying to eat and live and still take little comfort that the other guy was eaten today and not me.
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