PsiChick: Nana's Vibrator: I sort of understand the concept and the spirit of vegans, but why work around the natural process of breast feeding if you don't HAVE to?  Human bodies evolved over many tens of thousands of years to do something that amazing.  What these vegans are doing is unnatural and potentially harmful.  And really, if you're that much of a disciplined vegan trying to live a certain way, probably the most natural and vegan thing you can do is to just let that little meat-needing sucker die.

Or you could RTFA and find out that vegans are a-ok with breastfeeding, since the mother is capable of consenting to give her milk to her child.

give me doughnuts: Wangiss: machoprogrammer: theMagni: nocturnal001: y bigger question is how many Vegans have cats or dogs? Do they feed them soyfood?

My dog eats meat.  I don't.  I'm not an animal.  I can make choices that a dog can't.


Magorn: Attention Vegan Women: producing breat milk is one of the basic functions of a female human body. when a woman's body stops producing enough of it, it is a clear sign something is VERY VERY wrong. Usually only happens when the woman is STARVING to death.

Some women just don't make milk.  It doesn't matter what their diet is.  My ex produced plenty.  One of her friends (on an omnivore diet) couldn't make a drop, even with the industrial pump they have at the hospital.


Brittabot: But you CANNOT do that shiat to your kids! Children cannot thrive on a vegan diet. Vegetarian? Probably ok, but not vegan. They simply will not get the nutrients they need to develop properly physically or mentally.

What nutrients would they be missing?  My kids have been in the 99th percentile for mental and physical development since they were born.  Based on what you're posting, my nine-year-old can read better than you.

Iron, vitamin b12, zinc, among many others

Vegetarian is fine, but vegan lacks many nutrients

I'm not vegan, but my garden calls bullshiat on your Iron and zinc deficiency claims.


You growing a lot of oysters and liver in that garden?

Befuddled: I really, really do not understand the hardcore vegetarians/vegans. Maybe meats and dairy aren't the best things to eat but they're not poison; you can eat them and survive.

I also don't get parents who force their kids to be vegan as every vegan kid I have heard about sounded like he was malnourished.

factoryconnection: Wangiss: Yeah, all the time. My sister in law had three children at home within the last decade, completely unassisted. I'm sure millions if not billions of babies have been born healthy that way. Taxi cab babies, cave babies, war babies, shame babies... women tend to assist if they can, but some women have no friends or family.

Yes, billions of babies have been born without CNMs, and of course there are the unplanned, unassisted ones, too.  They do say that babies born in elevators, taxis, et cetera have remarkably good outcomes.

I just didn't know if women in our country plan unassisted home births.  I've seen enough hemorrhaging to know that it is really, really helpful to have a medical practitioner on hand for even an uneventful birth, but that's just me.  And we're done at three anyhow.

I am Mayhem: A hundred years ago I would have been one of those women who died in childbirth. Yaaaay modern medicine!

Indeed; that's where modern medicine shines.  Your experience is atypical, however.

Also, my wife had a 99%-head child vaginally and her husband hasn't had any complaints about it since.

machoprogrammer: 1. Put snakes on plane: give me doughnuts: Vitamin B-12, vitamin-A, vitamin-D, zinc, calcium. Without some sort of supplements, a vegan diet doesn't supply enough for a growing baby/child.

There's no certainly no lack of A, D, zinc or calcium in a decent vegan diet. Vegans eats plants, remember? B-12 is likely to be supplemented, but it's easy to get in fortified foods and it's recommended widely, not just for vegans.

Vitamin D is tough to get from plant sources. Unless you eat nothing but mushrooms

machoprogrammer: Wangiss: machoprogrammer: theMagni: nocturnal001: y bigger question is how many Vegans have cats or dogs? Do they feed them soyfood?

My dog eats meat.  I don't.  I'm not an animal.  I can make choices that a dog can't.


Magorn: Attention Vegan Women: producing breat milk is one of the basic functions of a female human body. when a woman's body stops producing enough of it, it is a clear sign something is VERY VERY wrong. Usually only happens when the woman is STARVING to death.

Some women just don't make milk.  It doesn't matter what their diet is.  My ex produced plenty.  One of her friends (on an omnivore diet) couldn't make a drop, even with the industrial pump they have at the hospital.


Brittabot: But you CANNOT do that shiat to your kids! Children cannot thrive on a vegan diet. Vegetarian? Probably ok, but not vegan. They simply will not get the nutrients they need to develop properly physically or mentally.

What nutrients would they be missing?  My kids have been in the 99th percentile for mental and physical development since they were born.  Based on what you're posting, my nine-year-old can read better than you.

Iron, vitamin b12, zinc, among many others

Vegetarian is fine, but vegan lacks many nutrients

I'm not vegan, but my garden calls bullshiat on your Iron and zinc deficiency claims.

Plants don't have near the amount that liver, oysters and meat have

profplump: darwinpolice: This just seems to be an attempt to provide adequate nutrition to babies without the mothers having to compromise their diets.

No, it's also rejecting help from other mothers who happen to not be vegan because...reasons. Milk banks are already available, but for some vegans they aren't "clean" enough.

Vegans don't insist that their vegetables do not receive any nutrition from animals (which the vegetables likely did if they are organic) so why would they insist that their milk producer didn't receive any nutrition from animals?