Green Scorpio: Carth: Is the trial on TV, or better yet, web streamed?Yeah, but I don't know if you want to watch it from this sitehttp://nation.foxnews.com/2013/06/19/watch-live-coverage-george-zimm er man-trial
Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: Green Scorpio: Well? What's his favorite flavor?
Phinn: You've dated yourself.
ChaosStar: frepnog: MFAWG: What (and remember this phrase, because you're going to hear it in the prosecution's closing argument several times) was the 'sequence of events' that led up to this altercation?here is what I think happened based on all available evidence, witness accounts and Zimmerman's own statements.Zimmerman left his home. He saw Trayvon acting "suspicious". He calls the cops. Trayvon notices that he has been seen, and tries to intimidate Zimmerman by acting tough and pretending to be armed. Trayvon walks away. Zimmerman exits his vehicle and tries to keep Trayvon in sight while speaking to cops. Trayvon, realizing Zimmerman is on the phone, possibly with police, runs. Zimmerman pursues until dispatch says "we don't need you to do that" and stops. Trayvon, pissed that he has been watched, decides to loop back to teach Zimmerman a lesson about watching people. Trayvon proceeds to Zimmerman's location and punches him in the face, breaking his nose and knocking him down. Trayvon mounts Zimmerman and begins to beat the shiat out of him. Zimmerman's jacket pulls up exposing a weapon. Trayvon says something to the effect of "you are gonna die tonight" and goes for the weapon. Zimmerman gets the weapon from its holster and fires one shot. Trayvon dies.Totally 100 percent accurate? Possibly not, but I'd wager is very very close to what actually occurred and is a far cry from "Zimmerman stalked and murdered an innocent black child". It is the sequence of events lined out by all of the available evidence.Pretty much spot on
s2s2s2: Damn straight. This is all I've been saying. Hell. Maybe the reason Trayvon isn't alive today, is that no one caught him breaking into houses. We don't know that he wasn't casing houses. Alone in the rain, with nearly no one around is a good way to do it. If only Zimmerman's woman would have done the shopping like a good woman, George never would have crossed paths with Martin.Speculation is easy, and often misleading.
ChaosStar: They key thing here is Trayvon speaking first, then Zimmerman replying. That is Martin starting the altercation that ended up with his death.
manimal2878: justtray:He's just got massive cognitive dissonance going on right now.How's that?
gimmegimme: I haven't seen any of the live trial yet, but the defense attorney seems like a condescending jerk.///No, that has no bearing on Zimmy's guilt in the matter.
DROxINxTHExWIND: IS ANYONE ELSE WATCHING THIS TRIAL?? DID YOU SEE THE PICTURES SHOWING WHERE MARTIN'S BODY WAS? LOOK HOW farkING FAR THEY WERE OFF OF THE STREET!!
CliChe Guevara: gimmegimme: Stand Your Ground doesn't require a person to try and run away; you just have to be in fear for your life.Martin experienced both. So he was well covered under that law. What was your point again?
manimal2878: redmid17: There are eyewitnesses who put Martin on top of Zimmerman right before the shot was fired, so the ability to flee at least should not be in question.Did he try punching him off, pushing him off first? He has to exhaust every other option first if he the jury sees him to be the aggressor.
BraveNewCheneyWorld: QueenMamaBee: If they're not following me when I duck away, then end of problem. They're not there anymore. However, if I'm minding my own business and some fool starts tailing me, then more than likely their motives aren't pure. I wouldn't at all mind explaining my reasoning to the police while they're washing the pepper spray from the dude's eyes. If I'm walking from the store to my house, and I feel like the person is following me, then I'd rather not lead creepy guy to my front door. So I change direction... if he's not really chasing me, then he's not going to change direction when I do, and no problem. If he is chasing me, then I don't have much to lose by spraying him in the face, am i?If they haven't done anything to you, you're losing 3 years of your life in prison. Please show us in the law where you are justified in using force to prevent someone from walking in the same place you're walking.
bugontherug: This is the first thing you've said here with any actual probative value, though I think it goes both ways. I think Zimmerman's real purpose in calling the police was to manufacture plausibility to justify a shooting.
ChaosStar: Zimmerman told the dispatcher to have the officers call him so he would not reveal his destination to Martin, if Martin was till around. This is perfectly backed up by his expressed reluctance to give out his address because he "doesn't know where this kid is" immediately prior. It certainly doesn't prove his travel intentions.
LordBeavis: I am fervently hoping for Zimmerman's conviction. I fear it means race riots if he's acquitted. Zimmerman is an asshat and it's just not worth our cities being torched so he can walk free.
kendelrio: Garaba: The Physical Evidence does not support that scenario at all.But witness statements do.... "a witness named John Good who described the fight. "He called it a 'ground and pound' by Martin, who he said was on top of Zimmerman, beating him."Source
MFAWG: If he called the cops 47 times to report a suspicious person, and 45 of those times the person in question was black, do you think that might be indicative of something?
kendelrio: So women who wear short skirts, lots of makeup and are out of their homes after dark unaccompanied deserve rape? Nice bit of logic you have there.......
Garaba: PoochUMD: If he was just punching Zimmerman in the face, I would agree with you. But he wasn't just punching him, he was slamming his head against the sidewalk. It's not that far of a stretch to imagine someone being killed or put in a coma via that method. I don't know if it would take 3 strikes or 15. But I also know that I don't want to find out.The Physical Evidence does not support that scenario at all. There is no evidence that Zimmerman was on the ground at all. While plenty support that Martin was. There are no defensive wounds on Zimmerman hands. No DNA made it from Zimmerman to Martin something that is highly unlikely given Zimmerman's account of the event.Zimmerman's only wounds have no obvious source and where superficial. So them being self inflicted can not be ruled out.
stoli n coke: nekom: BeatrixK: The irony is that, Zimmerman, all 500 lbs of him, actually looks more menacing now than he did when it all went down. His defense team is starting off like a bunch of keystone cops...1.) The knock knock joke,2.) Asserting that DNA doesn't necessarily prove much3.) Forgetting a point in the timeline and telling the jury, 'I'm sure you wrote it down.'Wait, what? The defense team is calling into question DNA??? In a case where it is 100% clear that their client in fact killed Martin? What possible angle could they have there?The fact that none of Zimmerman's DNA showed up on Martin's hands or fingernails. That calls into question just how brutal the alleged beating was, considering that if someone was mercilessly pummeling someone the way they claim Martin was beating Zimmerman, it's odd that they couldn't find any of Zimmerman's blood or skin on Martin.That's why they're saying DNA tests don't matter in this case.
Hobodeluxe: xanadian: Wait.Wasn't that knock-knock joke THE headline that was used on Fark.com a couple weeks ago??GODDAMMITSOMUCHSeven Mason: [i735.photobucket.com image 827x115]Yeah...that.OMG they stole the fark headline? Someone on the defense team is a totalfarker?
stoli n coke: Knock knock?Who's There?George Zimmerman?George Zim-AHHH!!!! SCARY TEENAGER!!!!BLAMBLAMBLAM!!!!!!Also, who's been smuggling Zim Zim deep fried ranch donuts into the jail? The guy's a farking blimp now.
Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: Green Scorpio: Well? What's his favorite flavor?Favorite Skittles flavor? I'm not sure. But I'm guessing his favorite beer is[www.myneonhaven.com image 500x375]
limeyfellow: No Time To Explain: "A prosecuting attorney greeted the jury in the George Zimmerman trial Monday with a quote full of expletives, while his adversary decided it was appropriate to tell jurors a knock-knock joke."/as if this trial wasn't a joke already//if the joke something, something, you must acquit?To be fair, the prosecutor was reading the transcript of what George Zimmerman was saying to the 911 operator as he was hunting down the kid.
Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: Zelron: I think he was trying to make a comment about the jury selection process. I'm not sure what his point was, but I'm pretty sure it was supposed to be disparaging.Which frankly, if I were on the jury, I'd be insulted. Perhaps he's trying to set up grounds for appeal.counterpoint: it could be he was trying to say he felt they would be an impartial jury, having not heard of any news of the case./either way, he failed miserably.
stoli n coke: mayIFark: Or, he could ask for the jury's fark handles, insisting, if they have not already read it on fark, it would have been funny./wait, even if it was funny, what was the point? What was he trying to accomplish by being funny?He's merely illustrating to the court that dead teenagers are funny, as long as they're not white.
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