Gosling: No, actually. It isn't.Call whatever side starts out facing up.
DarnoKonrad: "all classical probabilities emerge from quantum probabilities."duh? Wasn't it already assumed that all the quantum outcomes make up our reality? I mean sure, there's a tiny chance that flipping a coil will turn into dog before it lands, but the chance is so small you'd need trillions upon trillions of tosses for trillions upon trillions of years to observe such an effect for all the probabilities to strike upon something other than heads or tails.
Mad_Radhu: [www.twinfinite.net image 570x320]
worlddan: I often think the real lesson of quantum mechanics gets overlooked. If (1) the universe is probabilistic and (2) time is infinite then (3) anything that one can imagine must sooner or later happen somewhere in the mutliverse. So they next time you get angry at someone and wish they were dead just remember kiddos that somewhere in the multiverse, you killed them./I keep trying to escape to that part of the multiverse where I won the billion dollar lottery but it just aint working.
Dorf11: some asshole cat thing.
ThrobblefootSpectre: That's why Determinism and those who cling fearfully to it are so silly.
worlddan: I often think the real lesson of quantum mechanics gets overlooked. If (1) the universe is probabilistic and (2) time is infinite then (3) anything that one can imagine must sooner or later happen somewhere in the mutliverse.
czetie: worlddan: I often think the real lesson of quantum mechanics gets overlooked. If (1) the universe is probabilistic and (2) time is infinite then (3) anything that one can imagine must sooner or later happen somewhere in the mutliverse.(1) True, (2) Open question, (3) False.First of all, just because you can imagine something doesn't mean it's possible, even with some extraordinarily small probability. There *are* rules, you know.
Dorf11: Technically, there's always an infinitesimally small chance the coin will land on its edge. That's when the quantum cat isn't alive or dead, but just stepped out back for a smoke or to do some asshole cat thing.
worlddan: Yes and no. Every rule that we currently have once existed in imagination and there is no good reason to believe that what we perceive as the rules today will not seem as antiquated as sailing ships tomorrow. In short, rules change in time. So if time is infinite there are an infinite number of possible rule sets.
NannerPuss: [tchrmurphy.files.wordpress.com image 480x357]Guildenstern: Consider: One, probability is a factor which operates *within* natural forces. Two, probability is *not* operating as a factor. Three, we are now held within un-, sub- or super-natural forces. Discuss.Rosencrantz: What?
PirateKing: Then doesn't this kick strict determinism in the nuts?
kahnzo: I'm not sure I agree with "if time is infinite" then all combinations are possible.
thrasherrr: PirateKing: Then doesn't this kick strict determinism in the nuts?Strict determinism died in the 1830s. It's corpse is still kicking everyone who hasn't tried to solve the Navier-Stokes equations for turbulent flows./The rest of us are just kicked by turbulence
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