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(The Newspaper)   Missouri appeals court strikes down St. Louis red light camera ordinance because it doesn't offer vehicle owners the option to plead not guilty   ( thenewspaper.com) divider line
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2013-06-15 01:05:18 PM  
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That's bullshiat, she didn't voluntarily pay the fine, she paid it under the threat of going to jail or more fines.

Doesn't that mean she was in a sense blackmailed? I think so.
2013-06-15 01:29:30 PM  
2 votes:

Voiceofreason01: /yeah article is full of crap. The Court of Appeals upheld the law.

"It is with these principles in mind that we find the Ordinance void for failure to comply with the Supreme Court rules and affirm the trial court's judgment in that respect."

Page 36 of the linked decision.
2013-06-15 01:24:28 PM  
2 votes:

Deep Contact: Your always guilty of something.

Ignorance of basic grammar?
2013-06-15 02:48:18 PM  
1 vote:

dickfreckle: All I know is that I should have the right to confront my accuser. How do I argue that the machine was in error or that it wasn't me driving? I got a ticket while driving my friend's SUV (he had too many beers). That ticket was in his name. What if I were a dick and didn't pay it?

Oh, and I was going 5 miles over the speed limit. Giving issues like speedo calibration, that seems a little stupid. There should be a higher margin for error. A human cop usually doesn't care until you're clearly ignoring the speed limit.

I'd also suggest that being so paranoid about your speedometer is actually more dangerous than just cruising down the road. Every time I'm in one of those camera zones I'm constantly checking my speed instead of concentrating on the road/conditions. I have to keep with the flow of traffic but if I even inch over the limit, I can look forward to a $75 ticket. So now you have a group of drivers staring at their dashboards instead of noticing the vehicle being followed that just slammed on its brakes.

The good news is that we seem to have hit "peak Camera".  On the one hand, there are still plenty of cities that have them, and plenty that are planning on using them.

On the other hand, at least one state that I know of* has banned automated enforcement entirely, and a bunch of others are trying.  A lot of cities are realizing that the way the contracts are written actually costs money.  And so I think that this is an idea that will slide into the dustbin of history outside of the more corrupt states and cities.

*Michigan - If you've ever driven in Michigan, you'll know why.  Clipping the red light is a cherished tradition such that in any other state, I'm about a second late off the line, and MI drivers are sane, wonderful people by any other state's standard until they get on an interstate at which point they drive 85 (and are perfectly safe, sane people while going 85 in a 55).
2013-06-15 01:12:55 PM  
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2013-06-15 01:12:41 PM  
1 vote:
If only this could happen in Arizona. They are everywhere and have even gotten them for crossing the intersection 0.2 seconds late.

Basically you can watch nearly every light change and count how much money they make from us peons.

There is no point in contesting it. Maybe a wealthy person could fight it to the state supreme court and see what happens.

Otherwise they make so much money they just keep expanding speed cameras and red light cameras.
2013-06-15 01:10:17 PM  
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strangeluck: That's bullshiat, she didn't voluntarily pay the fine, she paid it under the threat of going to jail or more fines.

Doesn't that mean she was in a sense blackmailed? I think so.

Blackmail deals with damaging a person's reputation.
Extortion deals with physical harm, or just the threat of it.

This is extortion.
2013-06-15 01:06:51 PM  
1 vote:
I'm just wondering where ATS, a private company, gets the legal standing to issue tickets and assess fines in the first place.
2013-06-15 12:58:51 PM  
1 vote:
But what about $afety?
2013-06-15 11:47:38 AM  
1 vote:
Fark you, ATS.
2013-06-15 11:06:23 AM  
1 vote:
Or they could do what the other courts do and charge a $100.00 'administrative fee' for pleading not guilty so they get their money anyway.
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