Sim Tree: Or they could do what the other courts do and charge a $100.00 'administrative fee' for pleading not guilty so they get their money anyway.
Lost Thought 00: Sim Tree: Or they could do what the other courts do and charge a $100.00 'administrative fee' for pleading not guilty so they get their money anyway.Yay Poll Taxes
buckler: I'm just wondering where ATS, a private company, gets the legal standing to issue tickets and assess fines in the first place.
strangeluck: That's bullshiat, she didn't voluntarily pay the fine, she paid it under the threat of going to jail or more fines.Doesn't that mean she was in a sense blackmailed? I think so.
Corn_Fed: What's stopping the city from just slightly changing the options to include "Not Guilty," and resuming the cameras?
In its Final Judgment, the trial court concluded the Ordinance violates procedural due process because no summons or court date is provided with the Notice of Violation. Rather, a court date is provided only with the Final Notice, and is not sent to the vehicle owner until after the due date for paying the fine has passed
Deep Contact: Your always guilty of something.
rockspin: http://fox2now.com/2013/06/11/court-of-appeals-rules-red-light-camera s -constitutional/More established news sights appear to be saying the complete opposite.
rockspin: More established news sights appear to be saying the complete opposite.
Voiceofreason01: /yeah article is full of crap. The Court of Appeals upheld the law.
Taxcheat: "It is with these principles in mind that we find the Ordinance void for failure to comply with the Supreme Court rules and affirm the trial court's judgment in that respect."
Fantasta Potamus: If only this could happen in Arizona. They are everywhere and have even gotten them for crossing the intersection 0.2 seconds late.Basically you can watch nearly every light change and count how much money they make from us peons.There is no point in contesting it. Maybe a wealthy person could fight it to the state supreme court and see what happens.Otherwise they make so much money they just keep expanding speed cameras and red light cameras.
gwowen: Yeah, but that didn't speak to the constitutionality of the cameras
Taxcheat: gwowen: Yeah, but that didn't speak to the constitutionality of the camerasNeither did the court. Re-read what I wrote above. The judges upheld the right to adopt the ordinance, not the content of the ordinance itself which they strongly hinted (in dicta) was in conflict with state law.
PKY: In some countries the penalty for running a red light is mandatory suspended license. And likely forced to retake the driving tests. Because you shouldn't be allowed to be in the driver's seat of tons of steel if you can't handle the most basic idea in traffic, red = stop.
Fantasta Potamus: PKY: In some countries the penalty for running a red light is mandatory suspended license. And likely forced to retake the driving tests. Because you shouldn't be allowed to be in the driver's seat of tons of steel if you can't handle the most basic idea in traffic, red = stop.These aren't too target the people that blow through a red light randomly when traffic is already going the other way and endanger lives.This targets people that go through the light fractions of a second after it switched from yellow to red.
dickfreckle: All I know is that I should have the right to confront my accuser. How do I argue that the machine was in error or that it wasn't me driving? I got a ticket while driving my friend's SUV (he had too many beers). That ticket was in his name. What if I were a dick and didn't pay it?Oh, and I was going 5 miles over the speed limit. Giving issues like speedo calibration, that seems a little stupid. There should be a higher margin for error. A human cop usually doesn't care until you're clearly ignoring the speed limit.I'd also suggest that being so paranoid about your speedometer is actually more dangerous than just cruising down the road. Every time I'm in one of those camera zones I'm constantly checking my speed instead of concentrating on the road/conditions. I have to keep with the flow of traffic but if I even inch over the limit, I can look forward to a $75 ticket. So now you have a group of drivers staring at their dashboards instead of noticing the vehicle being followed that just slammed on its brakes.
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