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2013-06-14 9:31:15 PM  
Gives a new meaning to "chopper pilot."
 
2013-06-14 9:32:08 PM  
How is it interesting?
 
2013-06-14 9:33:33 PM  
He is getting his penis chopped off. Get mental help first, you will be happier in the end.
 
2013-06-14 9:33:33 PM  
Gives a new meaning to "auto-rotate"
 
2013-06-14 9:36:06 PM  
So he's going to fight crime at night as a werewolf full time now?

/dnrtfa
 
2013-06-14 9:38:00 PM  
Gives a new meaning to "controlled burn"
 
2013-06-14 9:41:55 PM  

cyberspacedout: Gives a new meaning to "chopper pilot."


Done in 1 ftw.
 
2013-06-14 9:42:24 PM  

Mambo Bananapatch: How is it interesting?


It's fairly uncommon. Uncommon events are usually interesting. Not always, but usually.

Thisbymaster: He is getting his penis chopped off. Get mental help first, you will be happier in the end.


[citation needed]
 
2013-06-14 9:43:00 PM  
How does one actually know if they think like a woman? For all I know, I've been thinking like a woman this whole time too. Seriously thought it would be interesting to hear him/her break down exactly what thinking like a woman entails. What exactly is different in the thought process?
 
2013-06-14 9:46:32 PM  

Thisbymaster: He is getting his penis chopped off. Get mental help first, you will be happier in the end.


Wow, you know absolutely nothing about the process of diagnosis and treatment of gender dysphoria.
 
2013-06-14 9:48:37 PM  

Thisbymaster: He is getting his penis chopped off. Get mental help first, you will be happier in the end.


Did you know you cant get the surgery without letters from physiologist?
 
2013-06-14 9:49:14 PM  
Hopefully this gives her the translational lift he's been hoping for.
 
2013-06-14 9:50:40 PM  
First World / White People Problems.  Seriously.
 
2013-06-14 9:52:00 PM  

justoneznot: How does one actually know if they think like a woman? For all I know, I've been thinking like a woman this whole time too. Seriously thought it would be interesting to hear him/her break down exactly what thinking like a woman entails. What exactly is different in the thought process?


Assuming you are a male, you do not have sisters, a wife, girlfriend, etc., right?
Assuming you are a female, you have no brothers, a husband, boyfriend, etc., right?
 
2013-06-14 9:52:50 PM  

skozlaw: Mambo Bananapatch: How is it interesting?

It's fairly uncommon. Uncommon events are usually interesting. Not always, but usually.


I guess, to me, transgender issues don't seem that unusual any more...and she hasn't been in the news for almost 20 years.
 
2013-06-14 9:52:50 PM  
It must be so confusing to figure out which pronouns to use, especially when referring to pre-op events.
 
2013-06-14 9:53:07 PM  

Wittenberg Dropout: So he's going to fight crime at night as a werewolf full time now?

/dnrtfa


+1 for Sealab reference
 
2013-06-14 9:53:25 PM  
Jesus, what a nut.
 
2013-06-14 9:54:15 PM  
This is good news for the next hopeful candidate on the penis-donor-waiting-list.
 
2013-06-14 9:55:08 PM  

justoneznot: How does one actually know if they think like a woman? For all I know, I've been thinking like a woman this whole time too. Seriously thought it would be interesting to hear him/her break down exactly what thinking like a woman entails. What exactly is different in the thought process?


Well, if you think the blinking red Change Oil sign on the dashboard is pretty but doesn't matter, you know you're a woman.

*ducks*
 
2013-06-14 9:56:48 PM  
Nice one subby. I thought the guy was retiring, not getting chopped.
 
2013-06-14 9:59:43 PM  

WTFDYW: Nice one subby. I thought the guy was retiring...


In a sense that's an apt description.
 
2013-06-14 10:01:47 PM  
Don't really care about TFA one way or the other, but wanted to commend Subby on the headline.
 
2013-06-14 10:05:16 PM  

Mambo Bananapatch: justoneznot: How does one actually know if they think like a woman? For all I know, I've been thinking like a woman this whole time too. Seriously thought it would be interesting to hear him/her break down exactly what thinking like a woman entails. What exactly is different in the thought process?

Well, if you think the blinking red Change Oil sign on the dashboard is pretty but doesn't matter, you know you're a woman.

*ducks*


OK, that's funny.
 
2013-06-14 10:06:26 PM  

justoneznot: How does one actually know if they think like a woman? For all I know, I've been thinking like a woman this whole time too. Seriously thought it would be interesting to hear him/her break down exactly what thinking like a woman entails. What exactly is different in the thought process?


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xcv
2013-06-14 10:08:45 PM  
He's just converting for the jokes.
 
2013-06-14 10:12:18 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Thisbymaster: He is getting his penis chopped off. Get mental help first, you will be happier in the end.

Did you know you cant get the surgery without letters from physiologist?


Oh, I'm sure you can find someone on the internet that would perform that surgery, no questions asked.
 
2013-06-14 10:12:47 PM  
Great! More propaganda about how weirdos are normal.
 
2013-06-14 10:13:47 PM  
When I read stories of such developments, I think what it might have been like for people in decades past -- centuries, even -- who suffered from such a situation and might have had no socially acceptable way of dealing with it.
That is, they couldn't assume the role of the eccentric artist or a character in a circus, for example.
What torture.
 
2013-06-14 10:13:57 PM  

xcv: He's just converting for the jokes.


That was Malcolm's dad, before he sold meth.
 
2013-06-14 10:14:35 PM  
Well, that explains why her daughter dated Keith Olbermann.  Dad wanting to become Mom just might be the ultimate Daddy Issue.
 
2013-06-14 10:14:45 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: When I read stories of such developments, I think what it might have been like for people in decades past -- centuries, even -- who suffered from such a situation and might have had no socially acceptable way of dealing with it.
That is, they couldn't assume the role of the eccentric artist or a character in a circus, for example.
What torture.


Like autosexual surgery is a new thing.
 
2013-06-14 10:17:25 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Jesus, what a nut.


This is awesome. Well played, sir!
 
2013-06-14 10:33:09 PM  
Get to use this again today....

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2013-06-14 10:39:06 PM  
Sometimed he gets the menstrual cramps real hard.
 
2013-06-14 10:43:42 PM  
*shudder* The balding head and everything... Will never look decent.

Same situation as me, except I stopped going bald by taking hormones. I still feel depressed all the time because of never being able to look female, though.
 
2013-06-14 10:46:02 PM  

TanHamster: First World / White People Problems.  Seriously.


You do know that Thailand is the sex change capital of the world, right? And that Brazil is catching up?
 
2013-06-14 10:48:37 PM  

Ivo Shandor: justoneznot: How does one actually know if they think like a woman? For all I know, I've been thinking like a woman this whole time too. Seriously thought it would be interesting to hear him/her break down exactly what thinking like a woman entails. What exactly is different in the thought process?



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2013-06-14 10:57:07 PM  

justoneznot: How does one actually know if they think like a woman? For all I know, I've been thinking like a woman this whole time too. Seriously thought it would be interesting to hear him/her break down exactly what thinking like a woman entails. What exactly is different in the thought process?


You feel it tormenting you all the time. You feel excluded from groups of girls doing girl things. You wish you were pretty like your friends and become jealous.

You try to deny how you feel and try to be a masculine person like your anatomy seems to require. You suppress your thoughts of these bad girly thoughts while you lift weights or join the military. Then you collapse from the strain.

Note: This is an example from many cases, not me in particular.
 
2013-06-14 10:57:28 PM  
Is there anything at all you want off this machine before I completely format it and reinstall your operating system?
I really really need you to appreciate that once I format it anything and everything will be gone forever.
Pretend I were to throw this harddrive out right now, is there anything you will miss that you wish you had a chance to copy off first?
You are absolutely positively certain beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is nothing you wish to save? Last chance, no regrets.
If you're sure, here we go....

/Only replace data with your penis. I imagine that would take some very serious thinking to make that decision.
 
2013-06-14 10:57:50 PM  

Myria: *shudder* The balding head and everything... Will never look decent.

Same situation as me, except I stopped going bald by taking hormones. I still feel depressed all the time because of never being able to look female, though.


Did you get big fake tits? I'd prolly fark a post-op transformer with a nice pair o' fun bags, and even get a been from a pre-op one.
 
2013-06-14 11:01:34 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Myria: *shudder* The balding head and everything... Will never look decent.

Same situation as me, except I stopped going bald by taking hormones. I still feel depressed all the time because of never being able to look female, though.

Did you get big fake tits? I'd prolly fark a post-op transformer with a nice pair o' fun bags, and even get a been from a pre-op one.


No... I don't have a desire for being that big. I want them to be decent, but normal. I just want to be normal.

Transgender threads tend to trigger me crying.
 
xcv
2013-06-14 11:02:05 PM  

Myria: justoneznot: How does one actually know if they think like a woman? For all I know, I've been thinking like a woman this whole time too. Seriously thought it would be interesting to hear him/her break down exactly what thinking like a woman entails. What exactly is different in the thought process?

You feel it tormenting you all the time. You feel excluded from groups of girls doing girl things. You wish you were pretty like your friends and become jealous.

You try to deny how you feel and try to be a masculine person like your anatomy seems to require. You suppress your thoughts of these bad girly thoughts while you lift weights or join the military. Then you collapse from the strain.

Note: This is an example from many cases, not me in particular.


Holding misogynistic 1950s stereotypes of femininity is also a requirement apparently.
 
2013-06-14 11:03:25 PM  

Myria: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Myria: *shudder* The balding head and everything... Will never look decent.

Same situation as me, except I stopped going bald by taking hormones. I still feel depressed all the time because of never being able to look female, though.

Did you get big fake tits? I'd prolly fark a post-op transformer with a nice pair o' fun bags, and even get a been from a pre-op one.

No... I don't have a desire for being that big. I want them to be decent, but normal. I just want to be normal.

Transgender threads tend to trigger me crying.


Honestly, just avoid them then :( no sense in getting upset over silly Fark comments. I hope this thread doesn't bum you out. And who knows, you might e selling yourself shorts on the looks dept.
 
2013-06-14 11:05:23 PM  
A Buddy of mine was a chopper pilot for another news station back during the same time period as when Tur became the "famed"  newschopper pilot. He told me that the only thing Bob Tur should be famous for is being the most reckless helicopter pilot in newschopper history.

Tur nearly collided with my Buddy's chopper twice because he was trying to get a "better shot" at the expense of safety.

From the LA. Times, November 8, 1991.:

"Tur's license was revoked on an "emergency" basis six weeks ago after the FAA alleged five counts of "careless and reckless behavior." At a two-day hearing last week, William R. Mullins, an administrative law judge from the Federal Transportation Safety Board, upheld two of these counts, both stemming from incidents that occurred in 1988."
 
2013-06-14 11:11:58 PM  

Beerguy: A Buddy of mine was a chopper pilot for another news station back during the same time period as when Tur became the "famed"  newschopper pilot. He told me that the only thing Bob Tur should be famous for is being the most reckless helicopter pilot in newschopper history.

Tur nearly collided with my Buddy's chopper twice because he was trying to get a "better shot" at the expense of safety.

From the LA. Times, November 8, 1991.:

"Tur's license was revoked on an "emergency" basis six weeks ago after the FAA alleged five counts of "careless and reckless behavior." At a two-day hearing last week, William R. Mullins, an administrative law judge from the Federal Transportation Safety Board, upheld two of these counts, both stemming from incidents that occurred in 1988."


So women really are worse drivers.

/ woman
// good driver, bit rubbish at parking though
 
2013-06-14 11:16:04 PM  
Gender-bending nonsense and pure grade-a bullshiat.
 
2013-06-14 11:16:14 PM  
This may not end well, given what happened to another LA reporter...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Penner
 
2013-06-14 11:21:03 PM  
I understand getting your dick and balls cut off isn't the bad part, it's when they remove half of your brain and you lose the ability to parallel park that the shiat gets real.

I have some expertise in this area because I'm a lesbian trapped in the body of a Greek god.
 
2013-06-14 11:21:46 PM  

Beerguy: incidents that occurred in 1988.

Man, they were all over that.


Think how long it will be before the FAA agrees s/he's medically qualified to fly and gets his gender straight on paperwork.
 
2013-06-14 11:24:19 PM  
Always remember children, gender identities are a social construct and completely fluid... unless of course you are a man who believes he is actually a woman, in which case you were born with a fixed and completely immutable gender identity and have no possible alternative other than to mutilate your genitalia and begin to dress in the most stereotypically female clothing you can find. --And if you find this logic dubious, it must mean that you're a "transphobe".

/doublethink FTW!
 
2013-06-14 11:30:39 PM  
I submitted this two or three days ago with a better headline.  Ask anybody.
 
2013-06-14 11:32:38 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Always remember children, gender identities are a social construct and completely fluid... unless of course you are a man who believes he is actually a woman, in which case you were born with a fixed and completely immutable gender identity and have no possible alternative other than to mutilate your genitalia and begin to dress in the most stereotypically female clothing you can find. --And if you find this logic dubious, it must mean that you're a "transphobe".

/doublethink FTW!


I most certainly do not believe that gender identities are a social construct and fluid - many other types of liberals like some feminists do but not me. Note that I interpret "fluid" as meaning "able to change". I do believe that gender identity is a continuum, though fixed.

There is some evidence for my side - transsexual people tend to have one of the gender-dimorphic parts of the brain be physically more like the opposite sex. Also in support are the stories of boys who for whatever reason were "modified" at a very young age and grew up as girls - they generally defy their assigned gender and insist they are boys. Google "David Reimer" for a sad example.
 
2013-06-14 11:33:39 PM  
I salute the chopper pilot for her strength of character. The actual "chopping," as many of you farkers call it, is an excruciating choice. For female to male transitions it is even more problematic (this I know from female-to-male-Trans acquaintances). Hey, we are all PEOPLE. What the hell does it matter that a "transformer" or a gay person or a black person or any minority reports your news or or buys your stocks for you or is your doctor or sells you your beer at some convenience store? Character is what matters.

Okay, I've opened a whole lot of troll threads by speaking my mind. You're welcome. Sometimes I'm amused by some of the small-mindedness I see here. Other times I just go away, drink a lot of beer and smoke.
 
2013-06-14 11:42:46 PM  

Myria: I most certainly do not believe that gender identities are a social construct and fluid - many other types of liberals like some feminists do but not me. Note that I interpret "fluid" as meaning "able to change". I do believe that gender identity is a continuum, though fixed.

There is some evidence for my side - transsexual people tend to have one of the gender-dimorphic parts of the brain be physically more like the opposite sex. Also in support are the stories of boys who for whatever reason were "modified" at a very young age and grew up as girls - they generally defy their assigned gender and insist they are boys. Google "David Reimer" for a sad example.


Fair enough, and thanks for the civilized and intelligent response. Personally I believe that any human being should have the freedom to modify his or her body in whatever way they see fit, provided that 1) they don't expect to be able to force other people to approve of it and 2) they don't expect other people to pay for it. Those conditions being met, everyone can do as they like.
 
2013-06-14 11:47:13 PM  

Myria: Transgender threads tend to trigger me crying.


Hugs. I'm an androgyne. I'm pretty certain that if I walk up to a psychologist/psychiatrist and ask to get paperwork for a surgery that puts me in the middle, they'll call for the straight jacket (not to mention the fiancé has already stated he'd walk, and that's not a trade off I'm ready for at this point in my life). And quit trying to fit someone else's definition of normal. You need to be the most normal YOU, that you can be. Everyone else be damned.

And btw, even gg's have body image issues (I'll never have the flat stomach / big boobs / round butt I want), so quit thinking that's not normal either. The problem with being "not normal" is that you tend to think that everything you feel isn't normal, when it actually is, and, if anything, further proof that you're really a girl. :)

/just recently adopted the trans label when she figured out the androgyne part
 
2013-06-14 11:54:55 PM  

Myria: I most certainly do not believe that gender identities are a social construct and fluid - many other types of liberals like some feminists do but not me. Note that I interpret "fluid" as meaning "able to change". I do believe that gender identity is a continuum, though fixed.


*My* gender identity is at least somewhat fluid, but I don't speak for anyone else.

Myria: Transgender threads tend to trigger me crying.


Well, there's no doubt you're female. *grin*
 
2013-06-14 11:57:42 PM  

Peki: Myria: Transgender threads tend to trigger me crying.

Hugs. I'm an androgyne. I'm pretty certain that if I walk up to a psychologist/psychiatrist and ask to get paperwork for a surgery that puts me in the middle, they'll call for the straight jacket (not to mention the fiancé has already stated he'd walk, and that's not a trade off I'm ready for at this point in my life). And quit trying to fit someone else's definition of normal. You need to be the most normal YOU, that you can be. Everyone else be damned.


There have always been effeminate men and mannish women, who nevertheless have managed to find their role in society... so why would such "androgynous" surgery be necessary? Perhaps you could enlighten the rest of us.
 
2013-06-15 12:00:32 AM  

TanHamster: First World / White People Problems.  Seriously.


This

/in spades
 
2013-06-15 12:05:17 AM  
I'm really confused, is there an official journalism guide about what to use to refer to a person who is gay, transgender, or whatever? If a person is gay, do we use "she"? If a person is transgender, do we use "she"? I'm just curious to know because it seems to differ from one news to another.
 
2013-06-15 12:54:11 AM  
That's some very strange words quotes in the article.
I don't think anyone has determined transgenderism/etc to be "a genetic disorder that happens in utero", nor is the brain going to be "morphed" by hormone replacements. If it was going to be morphed, it would become male, no?

Also, she unfortunately severely overestimates what hormones will do to a 53 year-old body as well.
 
2013-06-15 1:59:07 AM  
FTA - "The brain is plastic, so its gotten smaller and feminized. I'm thinking the same way a woman would think."

So women have smaller brains than men?
 
2013-06-15 2:01:23 AM  

Ivo Shandor: justoneznot: How does one actually know if they think like a woman? For all I know, I've been thinking like a woman this whole time too. Seriously thought it would be interesting to hear him/her break down exactly what thinking like a woman entails. What exactly is different in the thought process?

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I've actually had the punished-for-something-done-in-a-dream thing happen to me. There no reasoning to be had, not even the obvious "I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING!" My total mistake was:

Asking her if there was something I had done, and that maybe the dream anger is your way of lashing out?"

Gentleman, do not do this. You think you're being a good boyfriend, encouraging communication, But yeah, no. That's not how the real world works. It took me two long-term, live-in relationships to understand this. Now, unless I'm blind drunk, I just sit back and let her scream at me until she finally arrives at the true source of her anger (often just a comment about her shoes you made last year). 50% of the time there isn't one, in which case you just take the dog for a long walk or something.

/the 50% figure is just from personal experience, so YMMV
 
2013-06-15 2:11:09 AM  
TO THE ROMEROCOPTER!  Wait...Nevermind.
 
2013-06-15 2:12:48 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: That's some very strange words quotes in the article.
I don't think anyone has determined transgenderism/etc to be "a genetic disorder that happens in utero", nor is the brain going to be "morphed" by hormone replacements. If it was going to be morphed, it would become male, no?

Also, she unfortunately severely overestimates what hormones will do to a 53 year-old body as well.


Momnem: FTA - "The brain is plastic, so its gotten smaller and feminized. I'm thinking the same way a woman would think."

So women have smaller brains than men?


I noticed that too.  This dude is surprisingly sexist against women, for someone planning surgery to more closely resemble one.  Sounds like he's using it as an escape mechanism.  "Oh, hey, you can't criticize me for making bad decisions, I'm just a small-brained unintelligent woman now."
 
2013-06-15 2:13:26 AM  
yeah, should have read the article first.  Sue me.
 
2013-06-15 2:13:37 AM  

Peki: Hugs. I'm an androgyne. I'm pretty certain that if I walk up to a psychologist/psychiatrist and ask to get paperwork for a surgery that puts me in the middle, they'll call for the straight jacket (not to mention the fiancé has already stated he'd walk, and that's not a trade off I'm ready for at this point in my life). And quit trying to fit someone else's definition of normal. You need to be the most normal YOU, that you can be. Everyone else be damned.


Ever read this:

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2013-06-15 2:13:44 AM  

dickfreckle: I've actually had the punished-for-something-done-in-a-dream thing happen to me. There no reasoning to be had, not even the obvious "I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING!" My total mistake was:

Asking her if there was something I had done, and that maybe the dream anger is your way of lashing out?"

Gentleman, do not do this. You think you're being a good boyfriend, encouraging communication, But yeah, no. That's not how the real world works. It took me two long-term, live-in relationships to understand this. Now, unless I'm blind drunk, I just sit back and let her scream at me until she finally arrives at the true source of her anger (often just a comment about her shoes you made last year). 50% of the time there isn't one, in which case you just take the dog for a long walk or something.

/the 50% figure is just from personal experience, so YMMV


Sorry to respond to my own post, but I want to expound on this.

Men enjoy hanging out with each other because for the most part, we don't care. "Hey Bob, you're looking fat!"

"Yeah, I've been hitting the beer and cheese a lot lately."

And that's it. Fark it dude, let's go bowling.

This example might imply that I call women fat, but rest assured that is not the case. I've known better since the age of 5 or so. But my point is that we don't hold grudges against our male friends who make fun of us. But some of you Farkettes will hold that incident (almost always with another woman) deep in your hearts until it's time for The Count of Monte Cristo to be unleashed 2 years later, bewildering your target. .

A male co-worker insulted me a week ago but I'll be damned if I can remember what he said.
 
2013-06-15 2:14:19 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: That's some very strange words quotes in the article.
I don't think anyone has determined transgenderism/etc to be "a genetic disorder that happens in utero", nor is the brain going to be "morphed" by hormone replacements. If it was going to be morphed, it would become male, no?

Also, she unfortunately severely overestimates what hormones will do to a 53 year-old body as well.


Yeah, I wonder if her boobs will come in all wrinkly and saggy from the get go.
 
2013-06-15 2:46:34 AM  

MKaprocki: This is awesome. Well played, sir!


I'm glad somebody picked up on it. I thought more would, guess not.
 
2013-06-15 2:47:08 AM  
Beerguy Buddy of mine was a chopper pilot for another news station back during the same time period as when Tur became the "famed"  newschopper pilot. He told me that the only thing Bob Tur should be famous for is being the most reckless helicopter pilot in newschopper history.You forgot 'CSB'-the quote on Tur from the newsroom was the 'd' is silentwww.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/27/bob-tur-the-l-a-riot s-eye-in -the-sky-on-reginald-denny-more.html
 
2013-06-15 4:33:48 AM  

Myria: I most certainly do not believe that gender identities are a social construct and fluid - many other types of liberals like some feminists do but not me. Note that I interpret "fluid" as meaning "able to change". I do believe that gender identity is a continuum, though fixed.

There is some evidence for my side - transsexual people tend to have one of the gender-dimorphic parts of the brain be physically more like the opposite sex. Also in support are the stories of boys who for whatever reason were "modified" at a very young age and grew up as girls - they generally defy their assigned gender and insist they are boys. Google "David Reimer" for a sad example.


Ironically enough, the psychologist who screwed up David Reimer, Dr. John Money, had also made himself known for advancing the idea of gender identity in this country. It would seem that he did think of it as fluid, by your definition - or at least not fixed at a young age, as evidenced by his experiment with Reimer. And of course he was horribly wrong.

I can't say I know much about it, but the idea of gender identity strikes me as only useful to a certain point. Although it helps with people's understanding of behavior as it relates to gender, and in contradicting the black-and-white type labels that are still pervasive in western society, there comes a point where an individual human being is unique and shouldn't be categorized. One's own identity may not be a social construct, but IMHO the predefined notion of it is.
 
2013-06-15 7:37:30 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: Jesus, what a nut.



   The correct answer was no nuts...We were looking for no nuts.
 
2013-06-15 7:52:37 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: That's some very strange words quotes in the article.
I don't think anyone has determined transgenderism/etc to be "a genetic disorder that happens in utero", nor is the brain going to be "morphed" by hormone replacements. If it was going to be morphed, it would become male, no?

Also, she unfortunately severely overestimates what hormones will do to a 53 year-old body as well.


HotWingAgenda: I noticed that too.  This dude is surprisingly sexist against women, for someone planning surgery to more closely resemble one.  Sounds like he's using it as an escape mechanism.  "Oh, hey, you can't criticize me for making bad decisions, I'm just a small-brained unintelligent woman now."



Completely agree. It's a weird mix of outsized optimism and delusion. I hope Tur is talking to someone competent, otherwise those grandiose expectations and self-interpretations ([in 35 days, my brain has] gotten smaller and feminized. I'm thinking the same way a woman would think. About the five-month mark, you won't recognize me. My body is changing, my skin is changing, hair is changing, and I'll have a female shape. Breasts start growing and I'll lose body hair.") will be dashed on the rocks of disillusionment.

There is a fair amount of evidence, however, for transsexualism being tied to hormonal "washes" (or whatever's best to call them) during fetal development.
 
2013-06-15 7:55:16 AM  

Myria: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Myria: *shudder* The balding head and everything... Will never look decent.

Same situation as me, except I stopped going bald by taking hormones. I still feel depressed all the time because of never being able to look female, though.

Did you get big fake tits? I'd prolly fark a post-op transformer with a nice pair o' fun bags, and even get a been from a pre-op one.

No... I don't have a desire for being that big. I want them to be decent, but normal. I just want to be normal.

Transgender threads tend to trigger me crying.



Myria, I tried to e-mail you a couple of threads ago because you seemed to be in a really bad place. Do you have someone to talk to? A support network, however small?
 
2013-06-15 8:00:05 AM  

TanHamster: First World / White People Problems.  Seriously.



Uhm, no. Resoundingly no. It spans cultures and class, just another small part of the human condition. Thanks for coming around to put your profound ignorance on display for us.
 
2013-06-15 8:00:32 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: There have always been effeminate men and mannish women, who nevertheless have managed to find their role in society... so why would such "androgynous" surgery be necessary? Perhaps you could enlighten the rest of us.


Why do women who lose their breasts due to (possible) cancer get re-constructive surgery? Assuming your male, if you were in an accident where you lost your junk, would you be satisfied with a rubber prosthesis and a harness? Do amputees require prosthetics as well? It's the same answer. I'm missing something. If I were true to my insides, I would have been born a hermaphrodite or female pseudo.

Here is how the transition/surgery question ultimately breaks down for me: Would I want a dick in my ideal world? Yes, absolutely. However, in this world, there are some serious sacrifices, aside from the cost and difficulty with just trying to get approval in the first place, assuming I even could transition. One such sacrifice is the ability to have children naturally, and although Thomas Beatie caused a serious existential crisis for me for a few months because he represents a very clear "have my cake and eat it too" scenario, he's actually a rather lucky case, so the chances are a little steep that I'd have as good results (even considering his divorce). The other major sacrifice would be my fiancé, who has flat-out stated that he is completely straight, thank you very much, and while he hasn't set a specific length limit, I'm not interested in pushing the boundaries. I like my girly parts enough that I can be satisfied with this body for now. After I have kids, I may revisit the question and change my mind, but for now, I'm good. I am allowed to be as guy-ish as I want, including being with women should I find a willing girl (ha! yeah, even we bi women can't get chicks either). Next, there is the logistics problem. What do I fill out under "sex" on applications? What would my pronoun be? My driver's license? My name? Full surgery, or just hormones? Finally, the resulting equipment probably wouldn't work right and from what I've heard from post-ops, can be a little on the glitchy side (not cool to pop out a testicular implant in the middle of sex, just not cool).

There are a lot of transgendered people who decide not to transition for various reasons, so the "necessary" part is subject to the individual. It should be respected as an individual choice, however, and those who do transition are not any more or less trans than those who don't. It's really just different comfort level, and when you are so sick and tired of being in that body that you just can't stand it one minute longer, that's when you transition. Trying to explain that idea to someone who has never felt that disconnect with their body is very difficult.

And if you're (generalized you there) still having trouble getting it, then just look at it as another form of body modification like tattooing or implants, shrug your shoulders and move along. No reason to be judgmental about it. :)
 
2013-06-15 8:28:12 AM  

runcible spork: TanHamster: First World / White People Problems.  Seriously.

Uhm, no. Resoundingly no. It spans cultures and class, just another small part of the human condition. Thanks for coming around to put your profound ignorance on display for us.


Oh, my mistake.  Statistically, it's a white problem only for "female to male" where whites account for ~70%.  For "male to female" it appears to be an equal opportunity affliction. [citation: http://www.transgenderlaw.org/resources/transfactsheet.pdf ]

Keep farkin' that chicken.
 
2013-06-15 8:37:06 AM  

TanHamster: runcible spork: TanHamster: First World / White People Problems.  Seriously.

Uhm, no. Resoundingly no. It spans cultures and class, just another small part of the human condition. Thanks for coming around to put your profound ignorance on display for us.

Oh, my mistake.  Statistically, it's a white problem only for "female to male" where whites account for ~70%.  For "male to female" it appears to be an equal opportunity affliction. [citation: http://www.transgenderlaw.org/resources/transfactsheet.pdf ]

Keep farkin' that chicken.



Wow, 500 people surveyed in one metro area, nearly 20 years ago. That's some good statistics work there, Lou.
 
2013-06-15 8:42:40 AM  

Peki: EvilRacistNaziFascist: There have always been effeminate men and mannish women, who nevertheless have managed to find their role in society... so why would such "androgynous" surgery be necessary? Perhaps you could enlighten the rest of us.

Do amputees require prosthetics as well? It's the same answer.



No, it's not.  I'm a below-knee amputee.  My prosthesis isn't there to fulfill some fantasy or fetish; it's an alternative to crutches or a wheelchair.
 
2013-06-15 8:44:12 AM  

runcible spork: TanHamster: runcible spork: TanHamster: First World / White People Problems.  Seriously.

Uhm, no. Resoundingly no. It spans cultures and class, just another small part of the human condition. Thanks for coming around to put your profound ignorance on display for us.

Oh, my mistake.  Statistically, it's a white problem only for "female to male" where whites account for ~70%.  For "male to female" it appears to be an equal opportunity affliction. [citation: http://www.transgenderlaw.org/resources/transfactsheet.pdf ]

Keep farkin' that chicken.

Wow, 500 people surveyed in one metro area, nearly 20 years ago. That's some good statistics work there, Lou.


Lulz.  OK, then:

Resoundingly no. It spans cultures and class, just another small part of the human condition

[ citation needed ]
 
2013-06-15 8:55:23 AM  

TanHamster: [ citation needed ]



http://web.hku.hk/~sjwinter/TransgenderASIA/paper-how-many-trans-peo pl e-are-there.htm

"Enough of the West. What about elsewhere? Some of the clinic-based figures in the Global Southeast suggest rates as high as the more recent Western research, or even higher.  In Singapore, Tsoi (1988)  reported a figure of 1:2900 for transwomen, 1:8,300 for transmen. In Iran, the Director of Socially Vulnerable Groups at the State Agency for National Well-Being, who one can only imagine is relying on clinic-based figures , recently cited figures indicating a prevalence of 1:13,000  (Alizadeh, 2010)."

"But clinic-based figures (even the most current ones, from wherever in the world they are drawn)  grossly underestimate the size of the broader transgender population."
 
2013-06-15 6:26:13 PM  
hey where did everybody go
 
2013-06-16 2:41:18 AM  

TanHamster: Peki: EvilRacistNaziFascist: There have always been effeminate men and mannish women, who nevertheless have managed to find their role in society... so why would such "androgynous" surgery be necessary? Perhaps you could enlighten the rest of us.

Do amputees require prosthetics as well? It's the same answer.


No, it's not.  I'm a below-knee amputee.  My prosthesis isn't there to fulfill some fantasy or fetish; it's an alternative to crutches or a wheelchair.


And surgery for a trans person would be the permanent solution to a strap-on and/or packing. It's not a fantasy or fetish; it's a legitimate resolution to a kind of "phantom limb" syndrome, if you will. I'm missing a body part. I look down and expect to see something that's not there. I feel disconnected from the parts I  dohave. So fine, call it a mental illness to want surgery to fix that, but suffering through that sort of discomfort with your body without it being a choice is enough to make anyone insane in the first place anyway. If you could have surgery to replace your leg and have it mostly function (say, you didn't really have much feeling, but could walk and even jog normally, maybe not run, but it would look mostly normal, and for the most part indistinguishable from "normal"), would you?

I hope you understand I'm not trying to offend. No matter what it's a thought exercise, since I can't understand your position as an amputee, and you can't understand mine as a trans person.
 
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