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(Washington Times)   The sheriff is going to have to deal with Robin Hood and his band. We can't have those miscreants feeding parking meters   (washingtontimes.com) divider line
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2013-05-14 3:05:37 PM  
I thought feeding expired meters was illegal anyway, because one of their purposes, in addition to raising revenue, was to limit parking time in commercial areas to 2 hours to "give other people a chance" to shop or somesuch stuff.
 
2013-05-14 3:06:34 PM  
Of course, I could also be completely full of shiat. That actually happened once, believe it or not.
 
2013-05-14 3:15:51 PM  

show me: Of course, I could also be completely full of shiat. That actually happened once, believe it or not.


It's up to each city. The fact that they haven't written any tickets to these people, and their only course of action has been a lawsuit for "harassment" probably means what they're doing isn't illegal, it's just highly frowned upon by the people who count money.
 
2013-05-14 3:16:47 PM  
Feeding the meter, great!

Harassing the meter readers, you're a jerk.
 
2013-05-14 3:16:59 PM  

show me: I thought feeding expired meters was illegal anyway, because one of their purposes, in addition to raising revenue, was to limit parking time in commercial areas to 2 hours to "give other people a chance" to shop or somesuch stuff.


Yeah, I'm kinda torn.  I like the gesture... but indeed, the point of parking meters is really just to limit parking to people that only need to be in the area for a short time.  Otherwise, find a parking garage.
 
2013-05-14 3:18:06 PM  
The way I see it, is that a parking ticket for an expired meter is a punishment for not giving the government its money within a specified time (on an hourly basis)...so...Even if a local ordnance gets passed, I suspect that it would get struck down on a county or state level because other people are effectively giving money to the government for free (feeding the meter) on your behalf.

By choosing to park in a spot that has a meter, you are effectively choosing to be in debt to the government (yes, the debt is satisfied the moment you feed the meter thereby granting you permission to temporally borrow said parking spot...), and there is no law on the books that prevents one person from paying another's debt owed to the government.

This complaining from city officials and Union folk on this matter is the equivalent of the police charging you with obstruction of justice for letting people know that there is a speed trap a mile a head.  Yeah, I know most municipalities have taken petty traffic law punishments from a criminal matter to a civil matter for specific legal purposes, but at the end of the day, it is against the law to park in a spot with a meter and not pay...these "Robin Hood" folk are merley helping prevent crime.

Now as to the harassment of the meter maids...well, they need to grow up and leave them alone.  That's like yelling at an cashier for the price of something...they have nothing to do with it...
 
2013-05-14 3:19:09 PM  

EvilEgg: Feeding the meter, great!

Harassing the meter readers, you're a jerk.


In a redlit article, the "harassment" amounted to one of them telling the meter maid Linda, "Hey Linda, guess what you won't be doing today...writing tickets!"

That was a direct quote from Linda. If that's the worst harassment she can think of, I doubt it's a very credible claim.
 
2013-05-14 3:26:08 PM  

scottydoesntknow: EvilEgg: Feeding the meter, great!

Harassing the meter readers, you're a jerk.

In a redlit article, the "harassment" amounted to one of them telling the meter maid Linda, "Hey Linda, guess what you won't be doing today...writing tickets!"

That was a direct quote from Linda. If that's the worst harassment she can think of, I doubt it's a very credible claim.


Not only that, but they videotaped all the encounters.  I'm assuming they did that specifically to counter any legal argument that they were "harassing" Lovely Rita.
 
2013-05-14 3:39:01 PM  

dittybopper: scottydoesntknow: EvilEgg: Feeding the meter, great!

Harassing the meter readers, you're a jerk.

In a redlit article, the "harassment" amounted to one of them telling the meter maid Linda, "Hey Linda, guess what you won't be doing today...writing tickets!"

That was a direct quote from Linda. If that's the worst harassment she can think of, I doubt it's a very credible claim.

Not only that, but they videotaped all the encounters.  I'm assuming they did that specifically to counter any legal argument that they were "harassing" Lovely Rita.


Be wary of video tape, it lies.  That being said, if the quote is the sum total of the harassment Linda needs to get over it.

I doubt Linda gets any personal joy from writing tickets.
 
2013-05-14 3:44:51 PM  

scottydoesntknow: show me: Of course, I could also be completely full of shiat. That actually happened once, believe it or not.

It's up to each city. The fact that they haven't written any tickets to these people, and their only course of action has been a lawsuit for "harassment" probably means what they're doing isn't illegal, it's just highly frowned upon by the people who count money.


In some cities it absolutely will get you ticketed if you feed someone else's meter - and claiming it's your car won't always work, because you need to physically move your car to another block (down the block/across the street apparently isn't good enough) once your 2 hours is up.

I always thought a "2 hour limit" meant that's the max allotment you can buy from a meter at any given time, but it actually means "You can park here for as long as 2 hours. After that, you don't have to go home, but you can't park here." Which is not made clear anywhere on any signage I've ever seen.

// though in DC, one sign will often disagree with another on the same pole
 
2013-05-14 3:46:14 PM  
They'll just do what some towns here in Arizona have done: triple the fines for speeding tickets. Since there are no parking meters, a simple speeding ticket in Pinetop-Lakeside, Arizona is almost $400 now, same for running a yellow, I mean red, light.
 
2013-05-14 4:07:30 PM  

EvilEgg: Be wary of video tape, it lies.


So do government employees.  And Robin Hoods, for that matter.  But if I'm sitting in a jury box, and the video tape says one thing and the government employee says something different, guess which one I'm going to believe, especially if the video tape corroborates the Robin Hood side of the story.
 
2013-05-14 4:48:15 PM  
"including profanities and derogatory statements relative to his military service."

I bet she was in the coast guard.
 
2013-05-14 4:56:11 PM  
It's always cute when authority figures get upset when you start doing to them what they do to you.
 
2013-05-14 4:57:23 PM  

vudukungfu: "including profanities and derogatory statements relative to his military service."

I bet she was in the coast guard.


They said "MILITARY."

If the Coast Guard is military, then so are the Boy Scouts.
 
2013-05-14 4:58:02 PM  

downstairs: show me: I thought feeding expired meters was illegal anyway, because one of their purposes, in addition to raising revenue, was to limit parking time in commercial areas to 2 hours to "give other people a chance" to shop or somesuch stuff.

Yeah, I'm kinda torn.  I like the gesture... but indeed, the point of parking meters is really just to limit parking to people that only need to be in the area for a short time.  Otherwise, find a parking garage.


This is only for big cities.
In college towns, you get tons of metered streets and lots and limited time parking just to drum up revenue for the city/school.
They also like to say- "you can't park here after 5pm", but the city allows 8 people to be shafted for rent, and live in one house, and then will ticket for parking in the street after 10pm, because of the "possibility of snow".
 
2013-05-14 4:58:30 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: vudukungfu: "including profanities and derogatory statements relative to his military service."

I bet she was in the coast guard.

They said "MILITARY."

If the Coast Guard is military, then so are the Boy Scouts.


Don't insult the Boy Scouts.  Please use the ROTC instead.
 
2013-05-14 4:59:31 PM  
A case of people being stupidly helpful.  It's a cute idea at face value, until you need a meter in a retail district that some clown has been parked at all day.
 
2013-05-14 4:59:35 PM  

Endive Wombat: By choosing to park in a spot that has a meter, you are effectively choosing to be in debt to the government


That's a ridiculous definition of the word "debt".
 
2013-05-14 5:01:27 PM  
They should just put in one of the fancier pre-pay systems.
 
2013-05-14 5:01:28 PM  

vudukungfu: "including profanities and derogatory statements relative to his military service."

I bet she was in the coast guard.


No one has anything bad to say about the Coast Guard.

ecmoRandomNumbers:

They said "MILITARY."

If the Coast Guard is military, then so are the Boy Scouts.


Any other time than a declared war, the Coast guard has more dangerous missions than any other branch.  All those drug interdictions, boater rescues, ship boarding and various other hijinks they get up to?  Serious business.

Especially putting around on those tiny little boats they have.  At least navy ships have the advantage of being so big and bloody heavy they can escape the majority of the ocean motion.
 
2013-05-14 5:02:15 PM  

space1999: Endive Wombat: By choosing to park in a spot that has a meter, you are effectively choosing to be in debt to the government

That's a ridiculous definition of the word "debt".


Technically it's accurate. Incurred costs which have not yet been paid.
 
2013-05-14 5:02:29 PM  

fluffy2097: ecmoRandomNumbers: vudukungfu: "including profanities and derogatory statements relative to his military service."

I bet she was in the coast guard.

They said "MILITARY."

If the Coast Guard is military, then so are the Boy Scouts.

Don't insult the Boy Scouts.  Please use the ROTC instead.


Yeah, I feel sorry for the ones that get fondled by their non-gay leaders.
 
2013-05-14 5:03:48 PM  

Ker_Thwap: A case of people being stupidly helpful.  It's a cute idea at face value, until you need a meter in a retail district that some clown has been parked at all day.


Not sure if serious problem.... Having to park by an official city building, maybe, but retail? You can't go buy someplace else?
 
2013-05-14 5:04:21 PM  
Up here it was the "Parking Fairies" fighting against the overzealous Parking Authority.

Old news article

And they won.  The Parking Authority was eventually disbanded.  In 1997, IIRC.

/it came back...
 
2013-05-14 5:06:19 PM  
I hope he cuts their hearts out with a spoon.
 
2013-05-14 5:06:35 PM  

fluffy2097: ecmoRandomNumbers: vudukungfu: "including profanities and derogatory statements relative to his military service."

I bet she was in the coast guard.

They said "MILITARY."

If the Coast Guard is military, then so are the Boy Scouts.

Don't insult the Boy Scouts.  Please use the ROTC instead.


Coast Guard counts as a military service

During war time, they report to the Department of Defense

/former Navy
 
2013-05-14 5:06:52 PM  

EvilEgg: Feeding the meter, great!

Harassing the meter readers, you're a jerk.


It's not as if we are personally culpable for the choices we make, right? Every meter reader I've ever met was an officious dickbag that loved writing tickets. They have a pretty easy job and they get to ruin other people's afternoon, that's what makes them so happy to do it - schaudenfreude. Someone else has a good time preventing them from doing it, suddenly it's boo hoo hoo, why are people so mean to me. All I do is cost them a ton of money for no good reason.

And as for the 2 hour limit, if I am parked there for 3 hours it's because I was DOING SOMETHING FOR THREE HOURS. I don't need to waste time moving my car a block and potentially not finding a space.
 
2013-05-14 5:07:19 PM  

farkingismybusiness: I hope he cuts their hearts out with a spoon.


In Alan Rickman's voice, no less. Hats off to you, Sir Ruffian.
 
2013-05-14 5:07:49 PM  

farkingismybusiness: I hope he cuts their heartds out with a spoon off.


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2013-05-14 5:08:35 PM  

show me: I thought feeding expired meters was illegal anyway, because one of their purposes, in addition to raising revenue, was to limit parking time in commercial areas to 2 hours to "give other people a chance" to shop or somesuch stuff.


That's the answer you get in Seattle...
 
2013-05-14 5:11:21 PM  
Coast Guard is military, guys.

And good for the Robin Hoods. Apparently the parking nazis in that town of 23,000 are real pricks if a volunteer group springs up to foil them.
 
2013-05-14 5:11:23 PM  
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REVENUE!  DON'T BE F*CKIN' WITH MY REVENUE!
 
2013-05-14 5:11:28 PM  

Ker_Thwap: A case of people being stupidly helpful.  It's a cute idea at face value, until you need a meter in a retail district that some clown has been parked at all day.


What if the owner of the car comes and plugs the meter every 2 hours? That's perfectly legal, even if the meter maid sees them show up every hour and 58 minutes.
 
2013-05-14 5:11:29 PM  

tlars699: Ker_Thwap: A case of people being stupidly helpful.  It's a cute idea at face value, until you need a meter in a retail district that some clown has been parked at all day.

Not sure if serious problem.... Having to park by an official city building, maybe, but retail? You can't go buy someplace else?


the point of the meters is not to provide employees with a place to park, allowing them to come out all day and feed the meter, it is to allow the customers to come to the stores, in most of these places if you are there past 2 hours, you probably aren't just shopping, in which case, find a more long term parking solution like a garage or lot.
 
2013-05-14 5:11:36 PM  

Dr Dreidel: scottydoesntknow: show me: Of course, I could also be completely full of shiat. That actually happened once, believe it or not.

It's up to each city. The fact that they haven't written any tickets to these people, and their only course of action has been a lawsuit for "harassment" probably means what they're doing isn't illegal, it's just highly frowned upon by the people who count money.

In some cities it absolutely will get you ticketed if you feed someone else's meter - and claiming it's your car won't always work, because you need to physically move your car to another block (down the block/across the street apparently isn't good enough) once your 2 hours is up.

I always thought a "2 hour limit" meant that's the max allotment you can buy from a meter at any given time, but it actually means "You can park here for as long as 2 hours. After that, you don't have to go home, but you can't park here." Which is not made clear anywhere on any signage I've ever seen.

// though in DC, one sign will often disagree with another on the same pole


Over here it's illegal to pay for 'extra' time no matter who pays it. You get a max of 2 or 4 hours (depending on the area).

If the max is 2 hours and you only pay for 1 hour and then later decide to stay for another hour, tough, you have to move the car at least a few blocks away and look for another parking space. There are parts of the west end where you have to move the car at least out of the zone (which could be over a 1/4 to 1/2 mile away).

In my area, they take photos of you car and scan your displayed ticket (with the time when it was bought and when it expires) and it gets logged in. Buy another ticket for your parking and they hit you with a fine. Not cheap at £100 per fine.

Feeding the machine? Instant ticket.

I have zero sympathy for people who get tickets this way because they turned up late to get their car. If you don't want a parking ticket, either pay up for the max allowed parking time or move your car before your time expires... It's not rocket science.
 
2013-05-14 5:13:34 PM  

robbiex0r: What if the owner of the car comes and plugs the meter every 2 hours? That's perfectly legal, even if the meter maid sees them show up every hour and 58 minutes.


In some cities the meter maids mark the ground and your tire with chalk. If the chalk marks line up, you get a ticket, even if you feed the meter.
 
2013-05-14 5:13:37 PM  

downstairs: Yeah, I'm kinda torn. I like the gesture... but indeed, the point of parking meters is really just to limit parking to people that only need to be in the area for a short time. Otherwise, find a parking garage.


The "gayborhood" near me has no parking garages. It only has its bars, restaurants, clubs, and shops. Each plaza jealously guards its precious few parking spaces, and they'll all have guards posted around the parking lot to watch for people who try to park there without using one of that plaza's establishments (not to watch for any actual crime though). There are probably 20 public parking spots overall, which are hidden and purely word-of-mouth and fill up very quick on a busy night. Bunches of meters which are 24/7. No point to them except to glean the ticket money off people who run 3 minutes over their meter time. A friend of mine got harassed by a meter maid because his drunken self was feeling generous and feeding some meters on a Friday night. Frigging stupid.
 
2013-05-14 5:13:40 PM  

EvilEgg: Feeding the meter, great!

Harassing the meter readers, you're a jerk.


Yeah.

But let me also add, in connection to other posts: making it illegal to feed someone else's meter means you are a jerk.  And putting short limits on how long a meter can run also makes you a jerk.
 
2013-05-14 5:15:58 PM  
I don't know what to think... I mean, I guess it's well-intentioned, but is that the best use of charitable money and time?  Some of the beneficiaries might be quite wealthy, others might have knowingly blown off the meter, taking their chances on not getting caught.  You could buy some lunches or mosquito nets or something with that money.
 
2013-05-14 5:16:12 PM  
If you're depending on operating revenue being generated from parking meters,
you're gonna have a bad day
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2013-05-14 5:16:23 PM  

king_nacho: tlars699: Ker_Thwap: A case of people being stupidly helpful.  It's a cute idea at face value, until you need a meter in a retail district that some clown has been parked at all day.

Not sure if serious problem.... Having to park by an official city building, maybe, but retail? You can't go buy someplace else?

the point of the meters is not to provide employees with a place to park, allowing them to come out all day and feed the meter, it is to allow the customers to come to the stores, in most of these places if you are there past 2 hours, you probably aren't just shopping, in which case, find a more long term parking solution like a garage or lot.


Why can't the business provide the employees a better place to park, or instructions that they must park here*?
*here being a block away, oh noes! The walkings!
 
2013-05-14 5:16:32 PM  

farkingismybusiness: I hope he cuts their hearts out with a spoon.


Why a spoon, farkingismybusiness? Why not an axe?
 
2013-05-14 5:16:35 PM  

Dr Dreidel: scottydoesntknow: show me: Of course, I could also be completely full of shiat. That actually happened once, believe it or not.

It's up to each city. The fact that they haven't written any tickets to these people, and their only course of action has been a lawsuit for "harassment" probably means what they're doing isn't illegal, it's just highly frowned upon by the people who count money.

In some cities it absolutely will get you ticketed if you feed someone else's meter - and claiming it's your car won't always work, because you need to physically move your car to another block (down the block/across the street apparently isn't good enough) once your 2 hours is up.

I always thought a "2 hour limit" meant that's the max allotment you can buy from a meter at any given time, but it actually means "You can park here for as long as 2 hours. After that, you don't have to go home, but you can't park here." Which is not made clear anywhere on any signage I've ever seen.

// though in DC, one sign will often disagree with another on the same pole





Whatever, noob.

I wonder what it looks like giving a kid a ticket for feeding the meter.
 
2013-05-14 5:16:49 PM  

MBooda: farkingismybusiness: I hope he cuts their heartds out with a spoon off.

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Came in for the world shaker.

/Leaving satisfied like a hand washed car on a hot day and a belly full of hard boiled eggs
 
2013-05-14 5:18:13 PM  

weapon13: I have zero sympathy for people


You could have saved everybody a lot of time and just stopped at that.
 
2013-05-14 5:18:32 PM  

robbiex0r: Ker_Thwap: A case of people being stupidly helpful.  It's a cute idea at face value, until you need a meter in a retail district that some clown has been parked at all day.

What if the owner of the car comes and plugs the meter every 2 hours? That's perfectly legal, even if the meter maid sees them show up every hour and 58 minutes.


Most laws limit you to a max of so many hours per day, many of the meters around here are labels as 1 hour max, 2 hour daily limit or something like that, you can come feed the meter once, but not again.
 
2013-05-14 5:20:08 PM  
The purpose of parking meters is to discourage people from monopolizing a prime parking space during business hours, so that other people may have an opportunity to use the space.
 
2013-05-14 5:20:33 PM  

weiserfireman: Coast Guard counts as a military service

During war time, they report to the Department of Defense

/former Navy


Ok, serious inquiry.  And I'm not military, so excuse any ignorance.  I thought the point of the Coast Guard was that it was run by each state.  As in "Louisiana Coast Guard", "Illinois Coast Guard".

And thats why they're often first responders during natural dissasters.

I know during hurricanes here in Louisiana, its the Coast Guard that comes down to help first.

/Yes, I'd still consider them "military"
 
2013-05-14 5:21:44 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: They'll just do what some towns here in Arizona have done: triple the fines for speeding tickets. Since there are no parking meters, a simple speeding ticket in Pinetop-Lakeside, Arizona is almost $400 now, same for running a yellow, I mean red, light.


They should be paying you $400 just to live in Pinetop. :)
 
2013-05-14 5:21:51 PM  

weapon13: I have zero sympathy for people who get tickets this way because they turned up late to get their car.


People who have zero sympathy are typically the kind of assholes who support zero policy rules in our schools.
 
2013-05-14 5:22:30 PM  

tlars699: king_nacho: tlars699: Ker_Thwap: A case of people being stupidly helpful.  It's a cute idea at face value, until you need a meter in a retail district that some clown has been parked at all day.

Not sure if serious problem.... Having to park by an official city building, maybe, but retail? You can't go buy someplace else?

the point of the meters is not to provide employees with a place to park, allowing them to come out all day and feed the meter, it is to allow the customers to come to the stores, in most of these places if you are there past 2 hours, you probably aren't just shopping, in which case, find a more long term parking solution like a garage or lot.

Why can't the business provide the employees a better place to park, or instructions that they must park here*?
*here being a block away, oh noes! The walkings!


The law does provide you with instructions on where and for how long you can park, and where I'm at the city has all day lots and monthly passes available. If your city limits meters to two hours per day per car, then I bet they also offer more long term parking lots.
 
2013-05-14 5:22:44 PM  
More proof we live in a Christian nation under God.
 
2013-05-14 5:22:45 PM  

fluffy2097: robbiex0r: What if the owner of the car comes and plugs the meter every 2 hours? That's perfectly legal, even if the meter maid sees them show up every hour and 58 minutes.

In some cities the meter maids mark the ground and your tire with chalk. If the chalk marks line up, you get a ticket, even if you feed the meter.


Why not just enforce 2 hour parking? Seems double-dipping-esque.
 
2013-05-14 5:22:53 PM  
I don't get why people are so uptight about timed parking.  Limited parking means you can't leave your car there all day.  Don't be a self centered jerk.
 
2013-05-14 5:23:11 PM  

OgreMagi: weapon13: I have zero sympathy for people who get tickets this way because they turned up late to get their car.

People who have zero sympathy are typically the kind of assholes who support zero policy tolerance rules in our schools.


FTFM
 
2013-05-14 5:23:54 PM  

king_nacho: robbiex0r: Ker_Thwap: A case of people being stupidly helpful.  It's a cute idea at face value, until you need a meter in a retail district that some clown has been parked at all day.

What if the owner of the car comes and plugs the meter every 2 hours? That's perfectly legal, even if the meter maid sees them show up every hour and 58 minutes.

Most laws limit you to a max of so many hours per day, many of the meters around here are labels as 1 hour max, 2 hour daily limit or something like that, you can come feed the meter once, but not again.


That's so stupid though. If it's free parking, sure limit the amount of time people can be there, but if I'm paying then I should get to stay as long as I'm paying. It's not like I'm denying them revenue, I'm actually trying to give them money. I don't care about giving other people the "opportunity to shop" because A) I got up and out there earlier than you and snagged that spot, and B) I'm still shopping and spending money.
 
2013-05-14 5:24:04 PM  

downstairs: weiserfireman: Coast Guard counts as a military service

During war time, they report to the Department of Defense

/former Navy

Ok, serious inquiry.  And I'm not military, so excuse any ignorance.  I thought the point of the Coast Guard was that it was run by each state.  As in "Louisiana Coast Guard", "Illinois Coast Guard".

And thats why they're often first responders during natural dissasters.

I know during hurricanes here in Louisiana, its the Coast Guard that comes down to help first.

/Yes, I'd still consider them "military"


That's National Guard, some states may have a state coast guard as well, but the federal national guard is division of the US Navy and the Dept of Homeland Security
 
2013-05-14 5:25:16 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The purpose of parking meters is to discourage people from monopolizing a prime parking space during business hours, so that other people may have an opportunity to use the space.


But at a university, when they have the option and opportunity to build a parking ramp, minimizing the parking on residential and commercial streets, which would grant them the ability to still generate revenue via parking passes for the lower two levels, and yet they still won't do it? Smells trollish to me.
 
2013-05-14 5:25:20 PM  

ciberido: farkingismybusiness: I hope he cuts their hearts out with a spoon.

Why a spoon, farkingismybusiness? Why not an axe?


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Because it's DULL, you twit! IT'LL HURT MORE!!!
 
2013-05-14 5:26:03 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: I wonder what it looks like giving a kid a ticket for feeding the meter.


A shiatbag stuffed in a uniform being an asshole?

/too many poop references?
 
2013-05-14 5:26:14 PM  

king_nacho: If your city limits meters to two hours per day per car, then I bet they also offer more long term parking lots.


Around the courthouse of a certain town in Orange County (California) there was 2 hour parking and there was permit parking.  I could not find any other kind of parking.  I got a parking ticket after spending four hours dealing with traffic court (this was 25 years ago, I hope things have changed).
 
2013-05-14 5:26:42 PM  

MBooda: farkingismybusiness: I hope he cuts their heartds out with a spoon off.

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That's a night in the box.
 
2013-05-14 5:27:33 PM  

scottydoesntknow: king_nacho: robbiex0r: Ker_Thwap: A case of people being stupidly helpful.  It's a cute idea at face value, until you need a meter in a retail district that some clown has been parked at all day.

What if the owner of the car comes and plugs the meter every 2 hours? That's perfectly legal, even if the meter maid sees them show up every hour and 58 minutes.

Most laws limit you to a max of so many hours per day, many of the meters around here are labels as 1 hour max, 2 hour daily limit or something like that, you can come feed the meter once, but not again.

That's so stupid though. If it's free parking, sure limit the amount of time people can be there, but if I'm paying then I should get to stay as long as I'm paying. It's not like I'm denying them revenue, I'm actually trying to give them money. I don't care about giving other people the "opportunity to shop" because A) I got up and out there earlier than you and snagged that spot, and B) I'm still shopping and spending money.


that's like going to a restaurant and saying that because I bought one steak I should get all the steaks I can eat. The laws are for the people that come down there and park all day and take up spaces and aren't shopping.

Generally I've only ever seen it enforced if there are no other meters free, and its been several hours. But other cities may be different.
 
2013-05-14 5:28:30 PM  
Mr. Twister set the bar for this about 15 years back (and he's still at it).
 
2013-05-14 5:28:36 PM  

king_nacho: tlars699: king_nacho: tlars699: Ker_Thwap: A case of people being stupidly helpful.  It's a cute idea at face value, until you need a meter in a retail district that some clown has been parked at all day.

Not sure if serious problem.... Having to park by an official city building, maybe, but retail? You can't go buy someplace else?

the point of the meters is not to provide employees with a place to park, allowing them to come out all day and feed the meter, it is to allow the customers to come to the stores, in most of these places if you are there past 2 hours, you probably aren't just shopping, in which case, find a more long term parking solution like a garage or lot.

Why can't the business provide the employees a better place to park, or instructions that they must park here*?
*here being a block away, oh noes! The walkings!

The law does provide you with instructions on where and for how long you can park, and where I'm at the city has all day lots and monthly passes available. If your city limits meters to two hours per day per car, then I bet they also offer more long term parking lots.


I know about the signs at each place, even with their wibbely wobbley timey wimey instructions, but it sounds like the employers who want to encourage business should help and provide a stipend for either such a parking pass, or a bus pass, so that the problematic employee doesn't block their space. Especially for those who work retail at minimum wage.
 
2013-05-14 5:29:15 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: More proof we live in a Christian nation under God.


tres whanow?
 
2013-05-14 5:29:41 PM  
Ok, Im from Keene and for once I have something of substance to add.  The Robin Hood thing is great in theory, and Im sure people appreciate it.

However the group doing this are associated with the local FreeStaters who are generally a nuisance.  They are some sort of libertarian group for small government but they go about everything terribly; most are out of staters who moved here just for their cause which endear them to none of the locals.  They do things like hang in town square, protest at the middle school, and harass the cops, plus oppose victimless crimes such as drunk driving and drugs(obviously).

Additionally, the fines in Keene are like 5 bucks, much less than in alot of cities.

Again, I like the idea but I have to suspect the execution could be better.
 
2013-05-14 5:30:06 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: vudukungfu: "including profanities and derogatory statements relative to his military service."

I bet she was in the coast guard.

They said "MILITARY."

If the Coast Guard is military, then so are the Boy Scouts.


The reason that you never hear about the Coast Guard as part of the military is that they are one of the few actual useful branches of military service, doing what the military should be doing. They should disband the freaking army and use the proceeds to fund the Coast Guard. It's embarrassing to list the other branches along side the coast guard. Most of them are just tools for the ambitious militarist, while the Coast Guard actually protects our coasts and homeland.

Within 50 years the rest of the military will be shooting civvies and leveling cities in civil war 2: boogaloo, the coast guard will probably still be doing their job.
 
2013-05-14 5:30:56 PM  
Helping a fellow citizen? That's a paddlin'
 
2013-05-14 5:31:29 PM  

weiserfireman: Coast Guard counts as a military service

During war time, they report to the Department of Defense

/former Navy


As a private pilot some stereotypes I have developed after meeting a few retired military aviators

Private Pilot "That front is 200 miles out, this trip isn't necessary, I won't chance it"
Air force Pilot "That front isn't too bad I have an Instrument rating let's go"
Navy Pilot "If you can't fly in the rain then you can't fly"
Coast Guard Pilot "That's not even close to hurricane strength get in"
 
2013-05-14 5:32:28 PM  

downstairs: Otherwise, find a parking garage.


Ever heard of artificial shortages?

Local govts game a system to maximize revenue (preferably from someone outside) and get upset when someone games them back.
 
2013-05-14 5:32:33 PM  
The last time I was in a town with meters, I had to pay .25 for an hour. I think a nickel got you about 15 min.

Don't know what it cost now.

/lawn
 
2013-05-14 5:32:56 PM  
If I want to park on the street, and every two hours go out and put additional money into the meter and it upsets you, fark you.

The fee to the meter is essentially your rent, or lease, of the parking space.  As long as I continue to pay the usage fee, it's nobody's concern what I'm doing in the interim.

Want me to find a spot in a parking garage, fine.  Stop charging me 6 bucks to park for 6 hours on the street, but 12 for parking 6 hours in a garage.  Make the parking garage 3 bucks for 6 hours and I'll happily park there.

May not apply to places that are stupid retail districts in downtown Indianapolis.
 
2013-05-14 5:33:59 PM  

king_nacho: that's like going to a restaurant and saying that because I bought one steak I should get all the steaks I can eat. The laws are for the people that come down there and park all day and take up spaces and aren't shopping.

Generally I've only ever seen it enforced if there are no other meters free, and its been several hours. But other cities may be different.


No, because I said I would continue to fill the meter. That would be like going to a restaurant where you pay for all-you-can-eat for two hours, then getting kicked out even though you paid (or are offering to pay) for another two hours.

And there's no guarantee that the next person who parks in that spot will spend any money at all. Why punish the people that are currently there (and paying) for the possible opportunity of someone new maybe spending money?
 
2013-05-14 5:35:37 PM  
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2013-05-14 5:37:09 PM  

king_nacho: downstairs: weiserfireman: Coast Guard counts as a military service

During war time, they report to the Department of Defense

/former Navy

Ok, serious inquiry.  And I'm not military, so excuse any ignorance.  I thought the point of the Coast Guard was that it was run by each state.  As in "Louisiana Coast Guard", "Illinois Coast Guard".

And thats why they're often first responders during natural dissasters.

I know during hurricanes here in Louisiana, its the Coast Guard that comes down to help first.

/Yes, I'd still consider them "military"

That's National Guard, some states may have a state coast guard as well, but the federal national guard is division of the US Navy and the Dept of Homeland Security


Sheesh, I'm an idiot.  Mixed up Coast/National Guard.

/Self-facepalm
 
2013-05-14 5:43:23 PM  

show me: I thought feeding expired meters was illegal anyway, because one of their purposes, in addition to raising revenue, was to limit parking time in commercial areas to 2 hours to "give other people a chance" to shop or somesuch stuff.


If the city wanted to limit parking to 2 hours, they could easily (and a lot more cheaply) put up "2 Hour Parking Only" signs in their place and issue tickets for folks staying over the limit.

Parking meters exist to generate revenue--it shouldn't matter to the city where it comes from.
 
2013-05-14 5:46:01 PM  

dittybopper: Lovely Rita


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What she may look like.
 
2013-05-14 5:46:45 PM  
ga362
The last time I was in a town with meters, I had to pay .25 for an hour. I think a nickel got you about 15 min.
Don't know what it cost now.


After reflecting on what I posted, I fed the meter, for my dad. I was just a little asswipe. I do remember there was a slot for a nickel, dime and quarter and they were mechanical. I never have had to feed a meter, in my life. Lived in small towns, sheltered I guess. I've seen the jerks on the Parking wars thing. They do qualify as total jerks.
So anyway, what does it cost to park?
 
2013-05-14 5:47:15 PM  

wamser: Ok, Im from Keene and for once I have something of substance to add.  The Robin Hood thing is great in theory, and Im sure people appreciate it.

However the group doing this are associated with the local FreeStaters who are generally a nuisance.  They are some sort of libertarian group for small government but they go about everything terribly; most are out of staters who moved here just for their cause which endear them to none of the locals.  They do things like hang in town square, protest at the middle school, and harass the cops, plus oppose victimless crimes such as drunk driving and drugs(obviously).

Additionally, the fines in Keene are like 5 bucks, much less than in alot of cities.

Again, I like the idea but I have to suspect the execution could be better.


AND you lost me.

/it may sometimes or even usually be victimless, until you cause an accident and kill/maim somebody
 
2013-05-14 5:50:05 PM  
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2013-05-14 5:50:20 PM  

king_nacho: scottydoesntknow: king_nacho: robbiex0r: Ker_Thwap: A case of people being stupidly helpful.  It's a cute idea at face value, until you need a meter in a retail district that some clown has been parked at all day.

What if the owner of the car comes and plugs the meter every 2 hours? That's perfectly legal, even if the meter maid sees them show up every hour and 58 minutes.

Most laws limit you to a max of so many hours per day, many of the meters around here are labels as 1 hour max, 2 hour daily limit or something like that, you can come feed the meter once, but not again.

That's so stupid though. If it's free parking, sure limit the amount of time people can be there, but if I'm paying then I should get to stay as long as I'm paying. It's not like I'm denying them revenue, I'm actually trying to give them money. I don't care about giving other people the "opportunity to shop" because A) I got up and out there earlier than you and snagged that spot, and B) I'm still shopping and spending money.

that's like going to a restaurant and saying that because I bought one steak I should get all the steaks I can eat. The laws are for the people that come down there and park all day and take up spaces and aren't shopping.

Generally I've only ever seen it enforced if there are no other meters free, and its been several hours. But other cities may be different.


Not part of this argument, don't really care either way and more fascinated by the chatter itself buuut...

No it isn't, it's going to a restaurant and saying that if I want, I can buy more than a single steak as long as I'm paying for it.

Going to a restaurant and saying you should get all the steaks you can eat because you bought one is more equitable to paying for an hour and saying you should be able stay for the whole day without paying.
 
2013-05-14 5:52:01 PM  

ga362: So anyway, what does it cost to park?


I used one a few weeks ago, and I believe it was 10 minutes for a quarter, so a buck-fifty per hour. That was in Decatur, GA, so I guess you'd probably double that for Philly, Chicago, or LA, and quadruple it (or so) for NYC.
 
2013-05-14 5:53:05 PM  

shArkh: Helping a fellow citizen? That's a paddlin'





Laws are based on morals.
 
GCD
2013-05-14 5:53:20 PM  
I did this once, although the circumstances were a little different. The "parking enforcement" asshole had literally timed the meter to its expiration...and was in the process of writing me a ticket when I came out to feed the meter again.

Since I now had a $25 ticket...and a pocket-full of change, I gleefully ran ahead of him, feeding the expired meters all the way up the street.

Man, was that guy ever PISSED off at me...

/I'd do it again too
 
2013-05-14 5:54:44 PM  

Arumat: wamser: Ok, Im from Keene and for once I have something of substance to add.  The Robin Hood thing is great in theory, and Im sure people appreciate it.

However the group doing this are associated with the local FreeStaters who are generally a nuisance.  They are some sort of libertarian group for small government but they go about everything terribly; most are out of staters who moved here just for their cause which endear them to none of the locals.  They do things like hang in town square, protest at the middle school, and harass the cops, plus oppose victimless crimes such as drunk driving and drugs(obviously).

Additionally, the fines in Keene are like 5 bucks, much less than in alot of cities.

Again, I like the idea but I have to suspect the execution could be better.

AND you lost me.

/it may sometimes or even usually be victimless, until you cause an accident and kill/maim somebody


Oh yea, sorry.  victimless crime is from their point of view not mine.  Perhaps quotation marks there may have been necessary.
 
2013-05-14 5:55:16 PM  

Tom_Slick: Don't be a self centered jerk.


OK. Every word in that sentence seems to be English, but when the words are assembled in that particular order, they make no sense to me.
 
2013-05-14 5:55:32 PM  
Surfers Paradise has had girls in bikinis doing this for years

http://www.metermaids.com/history
 
2013-05-14 5:56:07 PM  

tlars699: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The purpose of parking meters is to discourage people from monopolizing a prime parking space during business hours, so that other people may have an opportunity to use the space.

But at a university, when they have the option and opportunity to build a parking ramp, minimizing the parking on residential and commercial streets, which would grant them the ability to still generate revenue via parking passes for the lower two levels, and yet they still won't do it? Smells trollish to me.


Oh yeah, if they've got the money to build a parking garage and just aren't doing it out of spite, yeah, fark them.
 
2013-05-14 5:57:35 PM  
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." -Thomas Jefferson

Seems simple enough...
 
2013-05-14 5:57:48 PM  

downstairs: show me: I thought feeding expired meters was illegal anyway, because one of their purposes, in addition to raising revenue, was to limit parking time in commercial areas to 2 hours to "give other people a chance" to shop or somesuch stuff.

Yeah, I'm kinda torn.  I like the gesture... but indeed, the point of parking meters is really just to limit parking to people that only need to be in the area for a short time.  Otherwise, find a parking garage.


Yeah, no.  In this town, it's explicitly stated that feeding other people's meters is illegal because the city makes much of their revenue off parking tickets.   Ergo, those couple of quarters cost the city  the price of a standard parking ticket.

That being the case, I'm all for feeding meters, because attempting to ensure a revenue by fines rather than making it a simple tax is just dickish.
 
2013-05-14 5:57:53 PM  

downstairs: show me: I thought feeding expired meters was illegal anyway, because one of their purposes, in addition to raising revenue, was to limit parking time in commercial areas to 2 hours to "give other people a chance" to shop or somesuch stuff.

Yeah, I'm kinda torn.  I like the gesture... but indeed, the point of parking meters is really just to limit parking to people that only need to be in the area for a short time.  Otherwise, find a parking garage.


You know what's weird?  I never thought of it that way.  I always just assumed its only purpose was a form of taxation and to pay for street upkeep.  I always thought that was stupid because there's no way they can make enough on the meters to justify them.  But I suppose you are correct.  The street would just fill up with vehicles parked there all day and thus limiting commerce.  Then again on my side of the coin you have the city of Chicago that leased out the rights to their meters for 100 years just to collect a lump sum cash cow.
 
2013-05-14 5:59:07 PM  
Seattle I got a parking ticket for an expired meter; on my car with handicapped plates, which is allowed to park for free/unlimited time.

Only $25; but the fee to file an appeal is $125, which you don't get back if you win.

I was allowed to work off the fine at the local animal shelter, so some cute little animals got a couple extra hours of care. But I'm still outraged at the appeal fee being a thing.
 
2013-05-14 5:59:51 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: shArkh: Helping a fellow citizen? That's a paddlin'

Laws are based on morals.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2013-05-14 6:02:00 PM  
Almost 100 comments and not a single Encyclopedia Brown/Bugs Meany reference?  Fark, I am disappoint.
 
2013-05-14 6:03:21 PM  

Rreal: downstairs: show me: I thought feeding expired meters was illegal anyway, because one of their purposes, in addition to raising revenue, was to limit parking time in commercial areas to 2 hours to "give other people a chance" to shop or somesuch stuff.

Yeah, I'm kinda torn.  I like the gesture... but indeed, the point of parking meters is really just to limit parking to people that only need to be in the area for a short time.  Otherwise, find a parking garage.

Yeah, no.  In this town, it's explicitly stated that feeding other people's meters is illegal because the city makes much of their revenue off parking tickets.   Ergo, those couple of quarters cost the city  the price of a standard parking ticket.

That being the case, I'm all for feeding meters, because attempting to ensure a revenue by fines rather than making it a simple tax is just dickish.


Methinks depending that heavily on ticket revenue is an indicator of poor finances on the part of the city.
 
2013-05-14 6:09:54 PM  

inner ted: [www.benzworld.org image 360x238]
figured this would lead the thread


Took way too long....

(came for this)
 
2013-05-14 6:15:07 PM  
Parking meters are a great idea if you want to discourage people from shopping downtown and send them to the malls

The downtown merchants in my town would rather pay more taxes that have those fat-cat overpaid seat-warmers in city hall get parking meters installed,

A similarly-sized town just ten miles away got a bit too greedy with the damn parking meters and now their downtown is almost completely vacant. The meters are still there.

Our downtown is thriving,
 
2013-05-14 6:15:52 PM  

weiserfireman: fluffy2097: ecmoRandomNumbers: vudukungfu: "including profanities and derogatory statements relative to his military service."

I bet she was in the coast guard.

They said "MILITARY."

If the Coast Guard is military, then so are the Boy Scouts.

Don't insult the Boy Scouts.  Please use the ROTC instead.

Coast Guard counts as a military service

During war time, they report to the Department of Defense

/former Navy


They're over in Homeland Security now (and need to be moved back so the whole thing can be shut down).

Weren't they the ones picking survivors from a sunk tall ship in the middle of Sandy with a helicopter?  Military or not, I don't want to know how long it takes to polish those brass ones.
 
2013-05-14 6:16:58 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: vudukungfu: "including profanities and derogatory statements relative to his military service."

I bet she was in the coast guard.

They said "MILITARY."

If the Coast Guard is military, then so are the Boy Scouts.


Other people have pointed it out, but legally the USCG is a military service:

10 U.S.C. § 101(a)(4):
"The term 'armed forces' means the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard."

14 U.S.C. § 1
"The Coast Guard as established 28 January 1915, shall be a military service and a branch of the armed forces of the United States at all times. The Coast Guard shall be a service in the Department of Homeland Security, except when operating as a service in the Navy."

You join the Coast Guard at a MEPS, just like any of the other services.  They have the same pay grades as every other service, the same rank structure as the Navy, and if you're a Sailor, Marine, Soldier or Airman and a UCCG superior NCO or Officer gives you an order, you better obey it or you're looking at UCMJ charges.

The Coast Guard is like the Rodney Dangerfield of the military, no respect.
 
2013-05-14 6:20:32 PM  
In this neck of the woods we use 2 hour parking signs where needed. Meters serve a different purpose. If your local government needs to protect income from traffic infractions to function they are doing it wrong. Cut the fat, raise taxes if nessesarry, but over zealously enforcing "potential" parking tickets is poor leadership.

As for filming meter maids in the line of duty ... wake me when they make a reality show of it to compete with parking wars.
 
2013-05-14 6:20:41 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: They're over in Homeland Security now (and need to be moved back so the whole thing can be shut down).


Word.

I'm all for a strong national defense and vigorous antiterrorism and law enforcement. . .but the DHS is an abomination that needs to be dismantled.

Move the USCG back to the DoT.  Disband the TSA and return airline security to local control, as long as certain standards are met (that "to professionalize you have to Federalize" line was crap).  Put the US Secret Service back entirely under the Treasury.  Move most of the remaining functions over to the DoJ.

The DHS was a derpstorm given form.
 
2013-05-14 6:22:12 PM  
I still have the parking meter from our old apartment in Chicago.
/snowplow took the whole line of them out.
 
2013-05-14 6:24:32 PM  

scottydoesntknow: show me: Of course, I could also be completely full of shiat. That actually happened once, believe it or not.

It's up to each city. The fact that they haven't written any tickets to these people, and their only course of action has been a lawsuit for "harassment" probably means what they're doing isn't illegal, it's just highly frowned upon by the people who count money.


San Diego had a guy doing this for a while. They went after him using a law which makes it illegal to leave printed material on a car, which is apparently a no-no in California. He vowed to continue on without leaving notes, but I never heard about him again, so I'm thinking he couldn't afford it without donations and stopped. Nowadays this would be a harder thing to do, as San Diego is moving away from meters and going to a kiosk-printed ticket that you have to display on your dash.
 
2013-05-14 6:28:48 PM  
Farmers are slipping. No "Cool Hand Luke" references?
 
2013-05-14 6:29:11 PM  
When my husband was still a precocious little tyke, he and his schoolmates could jam the round end of a popsicle stick into the coin feed and make the old meter think a nickel had been deposited.

You know. Back when meters took nickels.

/lawn
 
2013-05-14 6:35:17 PM  

Rreal: That being the case, I'm all for feeding meters, because attempting to ensure a revenue by fines rather than making it a simple tax is just dickish.


Forgive me for thising, but this.  If the government needs money that badly, then raise taxes.  Don't be a dick to make money.

Along those lines, the very concept of a toll road is insane in this day and age, though at least it's not a fine.
 
2013-05-14 6:37:09 PM  
They just put in the "get a piece of paper from the kiosk" system in our town.  People already figured out that the poles with the space numbers on them have a little spot just perfect for wedging in your ticket after you leave, allowing the next person to use up your remaining time.  Our local Lovely Rita has a freaking fit when she sees them, going from empty space to empty space to gather and rip up the spare-time tickets.  This wastes about 15min in one of the average-sized municipal lots, which is 15 minutes she can't out slapping yellow fark-you's on people's windshields.  So either folks get a little leftover time from my ticket or the meter puke loses the opportunity to ticket someone.  Win-Win either way.  (Odds are, they'll pass an ordinance against it eventually but for now I consider it my civic duty.)
 
2013-05-14 6:39:33 PM  
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2013-05-14 6:41:54 PM  

Clarence Beeks: Almost 100 comments and not a single Encyclopedia Brown/Bugs Meany reference?  Fark, I am disappoint.


Bugs Meany Is Gonna Walk
 
2013-05-14 6:42:58 PM  

downstairs: show me: I thought feeding expired meters was illegal anyway, because one of their purposes, in addition to raising revenue, was to limit parking time in commercial areas to 2 hours to "give other people a chance" to shop or somesuch stuff.

Yeah, I'm kinda torn.  I like the gesture... but indeed, the point of parking meters is really just to limit parking to people that only need to be in the area for a short time.  Otherwise, find a parking garage.


It's a city of 23,000 people. Methinks parking garages might be in short supply.
 
2013-05-14 6:46:55 PM  

ciberido: weapon13: I have zero sympathy for people

You could have saved everybody a lot of time and just stopped at that.


I have zero sympathy.

Better?

OgreMagi: OgreMagi: weapon13: I have zero sympathy for people who get tickets this way because they turned up late to get their car.

People who have zero sympathy are typically the kind of assholes who support zero policy tolerance rules in our schools.

FTFM


I'm not talking about being just a few minutes late. I see people argue / blow a fuse with the traffic warden for giving them a fine when they turn up half an hour after their ticket has expired. It happens all the time outside my house - I spark up, have a brew and enjoy the show.

Back in the day, the traffic wardens used to give you around 10-15 minutes after your meter has expired before giving you a ticket.

I actually think zero tolerance of any kind is BS. Nothing is black and white. There's always room for leeway.
 
2013-05-14 6:53:59 PM  

OgreMagi: OgreMagi: weapon13: I have zero sympathy for people who get tickets this way because they turned up late to get their car.

People who have zero sympathy are typically the kind of assholes who support zero policy tolerance rules in our schools.

FTFM


Zero tolerance is about as close to zero policy as you can get and still have rules, really. I thought you were being clever or something.
 
2013-05-14 6:55:08 PM  

weapon13: Nothing is black and white. There's always room for leeway.


That sounds pretty black and white to me.
 
2013-05-14 6:57:30 PM  

redmid17: downstairs: show me: I thought feeding expired meters was illegal anyway, because one of their purposes, in addition to raising revenue, was to limit parking time in commercial areas to 2 hours to "give other people a chance" to shop or somesuch stuff.

Yeah, I'm kinda torn.  I like the gesture... but indeed, the point of parking meters is really just to limit parking to people that only need to be in the area for a short time.  Otherwise, find a parking garage.

It's a city of 23,000 people. Methinks parking garages might be in short supply.


Nope, theres one just off of main st.  Its never used cause there are plenty of spaces on the roads open all the time
 
2013-05-14 6:59:09 PM  

downstairs: weiserfireman: Coast Guard counts as a military service

During war time, they report to the Department of Defense

/former Navy

Ok, serious inquiry.  And I'm not military, so excuse any ignorance.  I thought the point of the Coast Guard was that it was run by each state.  As in "Louisiana Coast Guard", "Illinois Coast Guard".

And thats why they're often first responders during natural dissasters.

I know during hurricanes here in Louisiana, its the Coast Guard that comes down to help first.

/Yes, I'd still consider them "military"


Silverstaff: ecmoRandomNumbers: vudukungfu:
Other people have pointed it out, but legally the USCG is a military service:

10 U.S.C. § 101(a)(4):
"The term 'armed forces' means the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard."

14 U.S.C. § 1
"The Coast Guard as established 28 January 1915, shall be a military service and a branch of the armed forces of the United States at all times. The Coast Guard shall be a service in the Department of Homeland Security, except when operating as a service in the Navy."

You join the Coast Guard at a MEPS, just like any of the other services.  They have the same pay grades as every other service, the same rank structure as the Navy, and if you're a Sailor, Marine, Soldier or Airman and a UCCG superior NCO or Officer gives you an order, you better obey it or you're looking at UCMJ charges.


The Coast Guard is like the Rodney Dangerfield of the military, no respect.

Second that.
one thing more:
Poop Cruise.
We wuz there.
 
2013-05-14 7:01:22 PM  

wamser: redmid17: downstairs: show me: I thought feeding expired meters was illegal anyway, because one of their purposes, in addition to raising revenue, was to limit parking time in commercial areas to 2 hours to "give other people a chance" to shop or somesuch stuff.

Yeah, I'm kinda torn.  I like the gesture... but indeed, the point of parking meters is really just to limit parking to people that only need to be in the area for a short time.  Otherwise, find a parking garage.

It's a city of 23,000 people. Methinks parking garages might be in short supply.

Nope, theres one just off of main st.  Its never used cause there are plenty of spaces on the roads open all the time


Fair enough. Either way lack of parking spaces seems to be a non-issue
 
2013-05-14 7:06:10 PM  

EvilEgg: Feeding the meter, great!

Harassing the meter readers, you're a jerk.


--- THIS.
I did that in college because a parking officer harassed a student for feeding his neighbor's meter.
"You can't make an international incident out of this," the officer said.
(The student happened to be Middle Eastern.)
That made front page on the college paper, pissed me off, then I decided to feed a lot of people's meters THAT DAY and then I made the headline the next day. I watched the parking officer roll down the whole area without writing a single ticket.

The key is to anonymously piss off the pigs.
 
2013-05-14 7:08:10 PM  
It gives me great pleasure to harass Meter biatches.  Honestly, garbage men get more respect from me because they are providing a service to the city.  Meter biatches are tools for the city government pockets.  Honestly, who takes a meter job on purpose? They must be miserable son of a b#@#$'s
 
2013-05-14 7:09:13 PM  
Isn't it sweet how naïve and innocent people can be, though I'm amazed to find it here at Fark.  Parking meters have one purpose, which is to make the city money, mostly through fines on expired meters.

Next we will hear how red-light cameras are put in place to stop people from running the light.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The purpose of parking meters is to discourage people from monopolizing a prime parking space during business hours, so that other people may have an opportunity to use the space.

 
2013-05-14 7:11:07 PM  

wamser: Ok, Im from Keene and for once I have something of substance to add.  The Robin Hood thing is great in theory, and Im sure people appreciate it.

However the group doing this are associated with the local FreeStaters who are generally a nuisance.  They are some sort of libertarian group for small government but they go about everything terribly; most are out of staters who moved here just for their cause which endear them to none of the locals.  They do things like hang in town square, protest at the middle school, and harass the cops, plus oppose victimless crimes such as drunk driving and drugs(obviously).

Additionally, the fines in Keene are like 5 bucks, much less than in alot of cities.

Again, I like the idea but I have to suspect the execution could be better.



I came here to talk about this.  I have heard a ton about all their douchnozzle shenanigans, but this is cool
 
2013-05-14 7:13:53 PM  
I was all set to side with the meter-feeding do-gooders. But after the reading the article they sound like a bunch of d-bags. Feeding meters is one thing. But following around meter maids with cameras telling them to get another job? That's just being a dick.
 
2013-05-14 7:20:42 PM  

EvilEgg: I doubt Linda gets any personal joy from writing tickets.


I have known Linda for years.  No she doesn't get any pleasure out of it. It's a job.  People yell at her all the time because she gives out parking tickets.  Not a pleasant job sometimes.

What you may or may not realize about these "robin hooders" is they are not being kind. They are professional provocateurs.  They are a branch of the "Free State" movement that decided that NH was small enough and libertarian enough that they could just move in with 20,000 of their closest friends and take over state politics.  NH likes being left alone. We don't like a bunch of out of state ideologues showing up and trying to push us around.  Regardless of their politics, it rubs us the wrong way.  We are an old state with a proud independent streak.
Now, on the face of it there would seem to be nothing wrong with putting a few cents in somebody's expired parking meter. But that's not the reason they are doing this.  They are trouble makers, pure and simple. Their motives are not now, nor ever have been, benign.
But I can say one thing. Their tactics have changed since they paraded young ladies wearing nothing but a skirt and a pistol in front of the Jr High and shouted through bullhorns that education was worthless and the kids should  all leave school.  Both going topless and open carry are legal in NH (live free or die) but not many want their kid's faces shoved in it in front of the Jr Fricking High School.  It riles the natives and makes them push for ordinances to protect their little snowflakes.  We never needed ordinances before because most natives are too polite to act like immature moron.
Bottom line: whatever their actions are, their motives are to cause as much chaos and discontent as possible. They want their names in the news. And they want to make a nice quiet New England town into a play pen for their juvenile antics.
We want them to leave us alone to peacefully go about our normal days but they insist on being boils on the ass of the town.
 
2013-05-14 7:20:53 PM  

EvilEgg: Feeding the meter, great!

Harassing the meter readers, you're a jerk.


When your entire job is to penalize people, you can't expect to have a bubble of happy people around you at all times.  It is just unrealistic.

So we'd better legislate it.
 
2013-05-14 7:25:40 PM  
SOLUTION: issue the parking ticket people a stamp that indicates "I found a car with an expired meter but the Robin Hood group fed the meter.  This ticket is still valid because the meter was expired when I came upon it."  Ticket writers go out to find the expired meters and issue tickets with the stamp on them.
 
2013-05-14 7:27:52 PM  
What Robin Hood and a pig might look like . . .

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2013-05-14 7:28:02 PM  

king_nacho: scottydoesntknow: king_nacho: robbiex0r: Ker_Thwap: A case of people being stupidly helpful.  It's a cute idea at face value, until you need a meter in a retail district that some clown has been parked at all day.

What if the owner of the car comes and plugs the meter every 2 hours? That's perfectly legal, even if the meter maid sees them show up every hour and 58 minutes.

Most laws limit you to a max of so many hours per day, many of the meters around here are labels as 1 hour max, 2 hour daily limit or something like that, you can come feed the meter once, but not again.

That's so stupid though. If it's free parking, sure limit the amount of time people can be there, but if I'm paying then I should get to stay as long as I'm paying. It's not like I'm denying them revenue, I'm actually trying to give them money. I don't care about giving other people the "opportunity to shop" because A) I got up and out there earlier than you and snagged that spot, and B) I'm still shopping and spending money.

that's like going to a restaurant and saying that because I bought one steak I should get all the steaks I can eat. The laws are for the people that come down there and park all day and take up spaces and aren't shopping.

Generally I've only ever seen it enforced if there are no other meters free, and its been several hours. But other cities may be different.


No, To use the restaurant  analogy, it is more like going in to a restaurant that charges a set amount for steak per hour and expecting to be able to eat steak as long as you keep paying, which would make sense.
 
2013-05-14 7:32:37 PM  

fluffy2097: robbiex0r: What if the owner of the car comes and plugs the meter every 2 hours? That's perfectly legal, even if the meter maid sees them show up every hour and 58 minutes.

In some cities the meter maids mark the ground and your tire with chalk. If the chalk marks line up, you get a ticket, even if you feed the meter.


That's why you see people get in their car, drive it 18 inches forward, and then lean over and rub their tires.
 
2013-05-14 7:33:41 PM  
In the city where I currently live there are a plethora of streets fairly near downtown with parking meters, Only actually in downtown are parking meters really needed as well as one small commercial district.   There are a number of lots fairly close to down-town as well as a city parking building that charge fairly heinous rates, considering that every single day there are blocks and blocks of parking with empty meters about 3 or 4 blocks away from many of the office buildings downtown.  Much of this is semi-vacant commercial buildings with moderate amounts parking on the premises, that have closed or been closing for the last decade.

The city however 2 or 3 years noticed that they had a huge number of the old meters in that area from the 70's with the old rates for parking and fees.  This meant that parking for the whole day was around 5 bucks if the meters were fed, and the fines for tickets were 15 to 20 depending on the street.  A fairly decent number of those meters were needing repaired regularly.  The parking spots were generally moderately occupied and between foot traffic of people parking there and heading downtown for work feeding the meters, and or just letting them expire and essentially paying the city the $15 fine (which is less than the days charge for many of the garages) they were assisting both the city and the shops in those blocks.  The city then with the backing of the vocal downtown garages decided to install new meters in downtown and the immediate surrounding area to the east, at great expense to the city, raising rates significantly, and achieving only a very slightly higher in service rate.  Ticket prices on the new meters are also much higher min -35 as much 50 in downtown and nearby.  Meter maid enforcement also shifted away from the secondary areas along two major metered areas that still have the old meters some distance from downtown and into the areas with the new meters.  Its interesting I am pretty sure that I can park for free in those secondary areas if I go shopping there, yet if I have to go downtown to file a permit or paperwork at the municipal offices I am certain I will need to budget at least a dollar an hour for parking and I had better be sure to take the full two hours on the meter as one can never judge how long waits will be at any city office.

I am seriously bothered by this as at least 2 city council members have known ties to the downtown garage owners, few of our city council members are actually elected (another serious peeve), and revenues haven't gone up significantly with the new meters in 3.5 years, while the cost of installing them has yet to be paid off. I would be sympathetic to the idea that the new meters needed to be installed to accept cards if A, the card readers didn't have a tendency to fail in wet or very cold weather (about 15% to 30% down with any sort of wet weather they seem to work ok next dry day), and 2. Sliding a shopping club card into them will trigger a transaction to take place about 50% of the time, (this is going down quite a bit as the software is updated sadly).  They also need serviced more regularly as the coin boxes are considerably smaller than on the old meters.
 
2013-05-14 7:34:01 PM  
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2013-05-14 7:37:59 PM  
I'm familiar with this story because of occasionally listening to Free Talk Live. These are members of the Free State Project doing this. The entire point of doing this is to deprive the city revenue from parking tickets. Mind you these parking tickets are a wopping $5 (or $10), but the city somehow makes hundreds per day per meter maid. If they don't collect the ticket revenue but pay the meter maid the city loses money. They also take the $5 parking tickets to court and subpoena the meter maid so she has to be in court and can't be out giving tickets.
 
2013-05-14 7:40:07 PM  

TheOtherMisterP: I was all set to side with the meter-feeding do-gooders. But after the reading the article they sound like a bunch of d-bags. Feeding meters is one thing. But following around meter maids with cameras telling them to get another job? That's just being a dick.


While that *may* have happened in a fringe instance, wouldn't it be more likely they are trying to paint the actions of the people feeding meters as menacing as possible to support their case?

Just like with policing for profit with short yellows, cameras and blatant speed traps.  These people just "doing their jobs" a lot of times are working as hard as they can to find the most minute infraction instead of actually trying to make the overall situation better by looking for egregious violations and going from there.

I've never got a ticket but I have seen them wait a few cars back kind of out of view when going places because a lot of people don't carry cash so they need to go get change.
 
2013-05-14 7:45:28 PM  

jigger: I'm familiar with this story because of occasionally listening to Free Talk Live. These are members of the Free State Project doing this. The entire point of doing this is to deprive the city revenue from parking tickets. Mind you these parking tickets are a wopping $5 (or $10), but the city somehow makes hundreds per day per meter maid. If they don't collect the ticket revenue but pay the meter maid the city loses money. They also take the $5 parking tickets to court and subpoena the meter maid so she has to be in court and can't be out giving tickets.


Hilarious.
 
2013-05-14 7:45:33 PM  
I donated
 
2013-05-14 7:49:45 PM  

Maxor: In the city where I currently live there are a plethora of streets fairly near downtown with parking meters, Only actually in downtown are parking meters really needed as well as one small commercial district.   There are a number of lots fairly close to down-town as well as a city parking building that charge fairly heinous rates, considering that every single day there are blocks and blocks of parking with empty meters about 3 or 4 blocks away from many of the office buildings downtown.  Much of this is semi-vacant commercial buildings with moderate amounts parking on the premises, that have closed or been closing for the last decade.

The city however 2 or 3 years noticed that they had a huge number of the old meters in that area from the 70's with the old rates for parking and fees.  This meant that parking for the whole day was around 5 bucks if the meters were fed, and the fines for tickets were 15 to 20 depending on the street.  A fairly decent number of those meters were needing repaired regularly.  The parking spots were generally moderately occupied and between foot traffic of people parking there and heading downtown for work feeding the meters, and or just letting them expire and essentially paying the city the $15 fine (which is less than the days charge for many of the garages) they were assisting both the city and the shops in those blocks.  The city then with the backing of the vocal downtown garages decided to install new meters in downtown and the immediate surrounding area to the east, at great expense to the city, raising rates significantly, and achieving only a very slightly higher in service rate.  Ticket prices on the new meters are also much higher min -35 as much 50 in downtown and nearby.  Meter maid enforcement also shifted away from the secondary areas along two major metered areas that still have the old meters some distance from downtown and into the areas with the new meters.  Its interesting I am pretty sure that I can park for free ...


I'd advise you to never move to Chicago then. We've been getting hit with lawsuits regarding parking garages and parking meters since Daley left office because of how shiattily those contracts were written.
 
2013-05-14 7:50:35 PM  

TheOtherMisterP: I was all set to side with the meter-feeding do-gooders. But after the reading the article they sound like a bunch of d-bags. Feeding meters is one thing. But following around meter maids with cameras telling them to get another job? That's just being a dick.


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2013-05-14 7:52:33 PM  

fluffy2097: jigger: I'm familiar with this story because of occasionally listening to Free Talk Live. These are members of the Free State Project doing this. The entire point of doing this is to deprive the city revenue from parking tickets. Mind you these parking tickets are a wopping $5 (or $10), but the city somehow makes hundreds per day per meter maid. If they don't collect the ticket revenue but pay the meter maid the city loses money. They also take the $5 parking tickets to court and subpoena the meter maid so she has to be in court and can't be out giving tickets.

Hilarious.


Here's their website:

http://freekeene.com/
 
2013-05-14 7:53:21 PM  

Silverstaff: yet_another_wumpus: They're over in Homeland Security now (and need to be moved back so the whole thing can be shut down).

Word.

I'm all for a strong national defense and vigorous antiterrorism and law enforcement. . .but the DHS is an abomination that needs to be dismantled.

Move the USCG back to the DoT.  Disband the TSA and return airline security to local control, as long as certain standards are met (that "to professionalize you have to Federalize" line was crap).  Put the US Secret Service back entirely under the Treasury.  Move most of the remaining functions over to the DoJ.

The DHS was a derpstorm given form.


All of this.
 
2013-05-14 7:57:21 PM  

Jormungandr: king_nacho: scottydoesntknow: king_nacho: robbiex0r: Ker_Thwap: A case of people being stupidly helpful.  It's a cute idea at face value, until you need a meter in a retail district that some clown has been parked at all day.

What if the owner of the car comes and plugs the meter every 2 hours? That's perfectly legal, even if the meter maid sees them show up every hour and 58 minutes.

Most laws limit you to a max of so many hours per day, many of the meters around here are labels as 1 hour max, 2 hour daily limit or something like that, you can come feed the meter once, but not again.

That's so stupid though. If it's free parking, sure limit the amount of time people can be there, but if I'm paying then I should get to stay as long as I'm paying. It's not like I'm denying them revenue, I'm actually trying to give them money. I don't care about giving other people the "opportunity to shop" because A) I got up and out there earlier than you and snagged that spot, and B) I'm still shopping and spending money.

that's like going to a restaurant and saying that because I bought one steak I should get all the steaks I can eat. The laws are for the people that come down there and park all day and take up spaces and aren't shopping.

Generally I've only ever seen it enforced if there are no other meters free, and its been several hours. But other cities may be different.

No, To use the restaurant  analogy, it is more like going in to a restaurant that charges a set amount for steak per hour and expecting to be able to eat steak as long as you keep paying, which would make sense.


*Homer voice* Mmmmm hourly steak
 
2013-05-14 7:57:44 PM  

LaughRiot: Isn't it sweet how naïve and innocent people can be, though I'm amazed to find it here at Fark.  Parking meters have one purpose, which is to make the city money, mostly through fines on expired meters.

Next we will hear how red-light cameras are put in place to stop people from running the light.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The purpose of parking meters is to discourage people from monopolizing a prime parking space during business hours, so that other people may have an opportunity to use the space.


How much money was made from the meters and tickets, vs how much was lost from sales tax revenue because only one vehicle was parked in a space all day, vs 8 vehicles full of shoppers?

In my city, the city lost money on parking ticket revenue when the meters went in, but made way more money from sales tax as they allowed up to 8x more vehicles full of potential shoppers/diners to park and shop/eat.
 
2013-05-14 7:58:40 PM  
hero tag is evidently on vacation, probably out praising people that shoot at parades or some such crap.
 
2013-05-14 8:02:24 PM  
PARK FREE OR DIE

 
2013-05-14 8:19:12 PM  

EvilEgg: dittybopper: scottydoesntknow: EvilEgg: Feeding the meter, great!

Harassing the meter readers, you're a jerk.

In a redlit article, the "harassment" amounted to one of them telling the meter maid Linda, "Hey Linda, guess what you won't be doing today...writing tickets!"

That was a direct quote from Linda. If that's the worst harassment she can think of, I doubt it's a very credible claim.

Not only that, but they videotaped all the encounters.  I'm assuming they did that specifically to counter any legal argument that they were "harassing" Lovely Rita.

Be wary of video tape, it lies.  That being said, if the quote is the sum total of the harassment Linda needs to get over it.

I doubt Linda gets any personal joy from writing tickets.


You clearly have never met any meter maids in person.

Cops writing tickets for the day, generally very cordial and polite.  They're mostly happy that you are, at worst, upset that you have to pay an extra $50, rather than at risk of pulling out a gun and shooting them.

Parking Enforcement employees who do nothing but write tickets all day?  Something about that job sours a person.  Either you don't want to be at that job, so you hate the world, or you seek that job out because you're the kind of control freak sociopath who needs to victimize other people to feel any degree of control in their life.  Either way, about 85% of the people who spend more than a few years in Parking Enforcement turn into horrible human beings.
 
2013-05-14 8:33:52 PM  
jjorsett:
San Diego had a guy doing this for a while. They went after him using a law which makes it illegal to leave printed material on a car, which is apparently a no-no in California. He vowed to continue on without leaving notes, but I never heard about him again, so I'm thinking he couldn't afford it without donations and stopped. Nowadays this would be a harder thing to do, as San Diego is moving away from meters and going to a kiosk-printed ticket that you have to display on your dash.

He could've just used hand written notes.  That should fall through the loophole.  Especially if he got kids to volunteer to do the writing and put different charity's addresses on the notes.  If he couldn't afford it on his own, he might want to consider not trying saving everyone from a ticket.

I really do not agree with the 2 hours and move along when you are paying the rent on that real estate.  If you are willing to feed the meter all day then all day that space should be yours.  Me, I rather pay $5 for a spot in a parking structure.  Of course, when the only cities I park in a Flint and Detroit, most sane people prefer a secure structure as oppose to the street.
 
2013-05-14 8:34:24 PM  
To be fair to the cities, parking meters aren't just for revenue generation, it's also to free up important high-demand spots so everyone can get a chance to park...
 
2013-05-14 8:42:38 PM  

jigger: fluffy2097: jigger: I'm familiar with this story because of occasionally listening to Free Talk Live. These are members of the Free State Project doing this. The entire point of doing this is to deprive the city revenue from parking tickets. Mind you these parking tickets are a wopping $5 (or $10), but the city somehow makes hundreds per day per meter maid. If they don't collect the ticket revenue but pay the meter maid the city loses money. They also take the $5 parking tickets to court and subpoena the meter maid so she has to be in court and can't be out giving tickets.

Hilarious.

Here's their website:

http://freekeene.com/


Its really not fun, the people in town consider them to just be a pain.  As someone from Keene, I ask please dont support them.
 
2013-05-14 8:43:54 PM  

ciberido: Clarence Beeks: Almost 100 comments and not a single Encyclopedia Brown/Bugs Meany reference?  Fark, I am disappoint.

Bugs Meany Is Gonna Walk


I am so bummed out right now.  Another childhood memory ruined by reality.  ;-(
 
2013-05-14 8:44:29 PM  
"Besides following me, crowding around me, making video recordings of my activities, and placing coins in expired meters to prevent me from writing tickets, these individuals repeatedly taunt and harass me, asking why I am stealing peoples' money and telling me to get another job," the officer said.

But worst of all there keeping me from meeting my quota.
 
2013-05-14 8:45:25 PM  
Besides following me, crowding around me, making video recordings of my activities, and placing coins in expired meters to prevent me from writing tickets, these individuals repeatedly taunt and harass me, asking why I am stealing peoples' money and telling me to get another job," the officer said.

If you don't want your job scrutinized by the public, don't have a public job.  Despite the efforts of a great many people, this is still a free country, and people are permitted to express their opinion, especially when they think your job involves deliberately harming your fellow citizens.  If you feel shamed, get a different job instead of trying to silence people who speak the truth.
 
2013-05-14 8:48:54 PM  
There are an awful lot of meter maids in here...
 
2013-05-14 8:49:37 PM  

tlars699: king_nacho: tlars699: king_nacho: tlars699: Ker_Thwap: A case of people being stupidly helpful.  It's a cute idea at face value, until you need a meter in a retail district that some clown has been parked at all day.

Not sure if serious problem.... Having to park by an official city building, maybe, but retail? You can't go buy someplace else?

the point of the meters is not to provide employees with a place to park, allowing them to come out all day and feed the meter, it is to allow the customers to come to the stores, in most of these places if you are there past 2 hours, you probably aren't just shopping, in which case, find a more long term parking solution like a garage or lot.

Why can't the business provide the employees a better place to park, or instructions that they must park here*?
*here being a block away, oh noes! The walkings!

The law does provide you with instructions on where and for how long you can park, and where I'm at the city has all day lots and monthly passes available. If your city limits meters to two hours per day per car, then I bet they also offer more long term parking lots.

I know about the signs at each place, even with their wibbely wobbley timey wimey instructions, but it sounds like the employers who want to encourage business should help and provide a stipend for either such a parking pass, or a bus pass, so that the problematic employee doesn't block their space. Especially for those who work retail at minimum wage.


generally speaking the lots are cheaper than the meters, so the employer should pay for the cheaper lot but not the more expensive meter? The people that opt to feed a meter all day are usually doing it out of laziness, not financial reasons. Around here many of the businesses will even validate your parking for some places.
 
2013-05-14 8:58:48 PM  
RE Coast Guard...

Eastern Shore of MD, VA & Delaware here...

Unites States Coast Guard, Crisfield, Ocean City, Maryland, Chincoteague, Virginia...same as United States Air Force, Dover, Delaware, etc.  As a former water/boater person...Coast Guard Rocks!!!
 
2013-05-14 8:59:08 PM  
or you can get a ticket and make a song about it that gets you millions of dollars.
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Although not named Rita, the woman Paul was referring to was Meta Davies, who was the first female ticket officer working in the St. John's Wood area where Paul lived.  "It was in the spring of 1967 that I ticketed Paul's car," Rita related.  "He was on a meter showing excess, so I gave him a ten-shilling ticket...I'd just put it on the windscreen when Paul came along and took it off.  He looked at it and read my signature which was in full, because there was another M. Davies on the same unit.  As he was walking away, he turned to me and said, 'Oh, is your name really Meta?'  I told him that it was.  We chatted for a few minutes and he said, 'That would be a good name for a song.  Would you mind if I use it?'  And that was that.  Off he went...Then, a few months later, I heard 'Lovely Rita' on the radio...I was never a Beatles' fan but you couldn't help hearing their music.  My own daughter used to wait outside the Abbey Road Studios to see them!"
 
2013-05-14 9:04:34 PM  
They expect us to believe an officer was "bumped" by someone and they didn't body-slam whoever bumped them to the ground and arrest them for assault on an officer?
 
2013-05-14 9:39:41 PM  
In before "government plot to extract revenues from our sovereign citizen hands"... OH FFS LOOK AT ALL OF YOU FRUITCAKES

/there are real policy implications to the decision, mmkay?
//there are far less parking spaces than there are individuals that need to use them each day, so we need to allocate resources, mmkay?
///'first come first serve stay for as long as you want' is not how we allocate services funded by the public and for the public, mmkay?
////there's no reasonable, feasible way to discern if 'person plugging the meter' is or is not an agent of the one parked, mmkay?
////jesus christ i can't believe i need to explain this... *throws down mic*
 
2013-05-14 9:43:39 PM  
*grabs mic*

Oh and Americans rely more on their personal vehicles for transportation than do Swedes, Nords, etc etc whateveryoucomeupwiththatisapoorcomparison

/food for thought: perhaps if we had a robust public transportation system this would not be an issue

*shiats on stage; wipes ass with mic foam; throws again*
 
2013-05-14 9:51:03 PM  
you want to limit the goddamn parking it's easy, "Parking 2H".

This is just a farking money grab that's being thwarted.
 
2013-05-14 9:51:57 PM  

Endive Wombat: The way I see it, is that a parking ticket for an expired meter is a punishment for not giving the government its money within a specified time (on an hourly basis)...so...Even if a local ordnance gets passed, I suspect that it would get struck down on a county or state level because other people are effectively giving money to the government for free (feeding the meter) on your behalf.

By choosing to park in a spot that has a meter, you are effectively choosing to be in debt to the government (yes, the debt is satisfied the moment you feed the meter thereby granting you permission to temporally borrow said parking spot...), and there is no law on the books that prevents one person from paying another's debt owed to the government.

This complaining from city officials and Union folk on this matter is the equivalent of the police charging you with obstruction of justice for letting people know that there is a speed trap a mile a head.  Yeah, I know most municipalities have taken petty traffic law punishments from a criminal matter to a civil matter for specific legal purposes, but at the end of the day, it is against the law to park in a spot with a meter and not pay...these "Robin Hood" folk are merley helping prevent crime.

Now as to the harassment of the meter maids...well, they need to grow up and leave them alone.  That's like yelling at an cashier for the price of something...they have nothing to do with it...


Either I'm really high or that was the single most succinct, well argued, crafty and logical "I have a GED in law" posts ever.

*slow clap*
 
2013-05-14 10:11:14 PM  

gameshowhost: *grabs mic*

Oh and Americans rely more on their personal vehicles for transportation than do Swedes, Nords, etc etc whateveryoucomeupwiththatisapoorcomparison

/food for thought: perhaps if we had a robust public transportation system this would not be an issue

*shiats on stage; wipes ass with mic foam; throws again*


I agree with some of what you say but people like you are the reason no one helps when someone jumps on the train tracks. They're praying its you.

/public transit is critical for any city and most
 
2013-05-14 10:18:09 PM  
In my city as long as you keep your meter feed they dont care how long you been in the same spot.
 
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2013-05-14 10:41:51 PM  
Come on guys, it's not that hard to understand.

Problem 1: People not carrying out the local business that the parking is intended to support leave their cars in the spot all day.

Problem 2: City wants revenue. (Alternate: city wants to discourage driving by making parking more expensive.)

Solution 1: Limit parking to N hours, maximum.

Solution 2: Install parking meter.

These are independent. If the city has Problem 1, it applies Solution 1. If it has Problem 2, it applies Solution 2. If it has both Problem 1 and Problem 2, it applies both Solution 1 and Solution 2.

As to whether you should be permitted to pay someone else's meter, the city does statistically make revenue from tickets. As far as I know, there is no natural or constitutional right to pay someone else's parking meter. If the city feels that a disruption to that revenue model is significant enough, it can pass a law making that illegal. Is that a "good" law? That's up to the city; if you live there and don't like it, work to change the law. If you can't change it, either live with it, move, or park somewhere else.
 
2013-05-14 10:43:43 PM  
The town's request for relief is not unreasonable.  Just stay 50 feet from meter maids while they're working.  Video all you want, shout yourself hoarse, feed all the meters you wish.
 
2013-05-14 11:09:24 PM  
Yeah the excuses aren't going to help - talk to them at all and you're in harassment land.
 
2013-05-14 11:50:26 PM  

show me: I thought feeding expired meters was illegal anyway, because one of their purposes, in addition to raising revenue, was to limit parking time in commercial areas to 2 hours to "give other people a chance" to shop or somesuch stuff.


That's the case in Portland, Oregon.  I seem to recall Jackass tested this theory and had to bail one of their guys out of the Multnomah County Justice Center for plugging meters repeatedly right in front of the meter maids when they were filming their "parking fairy" bit.  The City ended up just replacing all their meters with a stamp system (buy a stamp, stick it to your window, park in any "metered" space until it expires; local time limits still apply.

/Would not want to get sent to jail in a tutu.
//PROTIP: If you're making many stops in downtown Portland but don't have a HC placard, LZ permit, or PUC plates, stop by a 10-hour zone, get yourself the maximum time, repark as needed all day.
///Curse every time you put up with some other city's farktarded coin-and-this-space-only meters or meters, or Tulsa's meters with a card slot that doesn't actually work
 
2013-05-14 11:55:39 PM  
redmid17: ...

A reply they seem to have changed the quote feature.

Anyway, In a fairly decent sized Midwestern city though smaller than Chicago, our local government has become very very good at identifying issues, (some of them significant some not) publicizing those so there is a pretty decent awareness of them, then "fixing" them with horrible contracts and ordnance. In many cases obviously tilted to favour certain interests.  At one point in the last decade of the 9 city council members none had been elected, and for some random reason our city has rules in place that the current members can appoint a replacement for a full term if there is more than 6 months left in a 2 year term.  The cronyism in the mayors office with certain business interests is apparent yet due to demographics and the fact that a large % of people effected by the bad government are not city residents means that serious challenges to his reelection are rare even though his drunken (numerous DWI or accused dwi with investigations into cover ups) wife (now ex) was removed by a local judge from a 6 figure city job he appointed her to.  It is also causing a couple of nearby bedroom communities to have large business complexes built in them by corporations to some extent fleeing the city.   Local government misbehavior is causing the main city here to have a feeling of corruption and disease, its still growing though that is as much by grabbing up unincorporated territory and weaker suburbs, while the metro area is growing by leaps and bounds.

I'm not sure how to make things better long term, other than wipe the city council and mayor.  Their horrid management is costing the city millions yet nothing but acclaim gets attached to our mayor.  Its odd though since no one seems to think he is doing much of a job when you talk to them.
 
2013-05-14 11:56:49 PM  
That said, I think if you're going to limit parking on the city street, which is all in all a reasonable idea, then you need to  have a real public transit system that doesn't assume you're a clock-punching 9-5 zombie with no social life on evenings and weekends.
 
2013-05-14 11:59:33 PM  
This is an institution in Australia...

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2013-05-15 12:20:11 AM  

robbiex0r: Ker_Thwap: A case of people being stupidly helpful.  It's a cute idea at face value, until you need a meter in a retail district that some clown has been parked at all day.

What if the owner of the car comes and plugs the meter every 2 hours? That's perfectly legal, even if the meter maid sees them show up every hour and 58 minutes.


Yep. I like all these threads that indicate who all the good do-bees are.
 
2013-05-15 12:24:01 AM  

brandent: downstairs: show me: I thought feeding expired meters was illegal anyway, because one of their purposes, in addition to raising revenue, was to limit parking time in commercial areas to 2 hours to "give other people a chance" to shop or somesuch stuff.

Yeah, I'm kinda torn.  I like the gesture... but indeed, the point of parking meters is really just to limit parking to people that only need to be in the area for a short time.  Otherwise, find a parking garage.

You know what's weird?  I never thought of it that way.  I always just assumed its only purpose was a form of taxation and to pay for street upkeep.  I always thought that was stupid because there's no way they can make enough on the meters to justify them.  But I suppose you are correct.  The street would just fill up with vehicles parked there all day and thus limiting commerce.  Then again on my side of the coin you have the city of Chicago that leased out the rights to their meters for 100 years just to collect a lump sum cash cow.


The interesting thing is that people keep asserting that in this thread, as though buying an extra 15 minutes is going to turn all the parkers into scofflaws that leave their car parked for 8 hours.have they made it illegal to pay the toll for the driver behind you yet?
 
2013-05-15 12:36:14 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: vudukungfu: "including profanities and derogatory statements relative to his military service."

I bet she was in the coast guard.

They said "MILITARY."

If the Coast Guard is military, then so are the Boy Scouts.


Who pays for the lighthouses?
 
2013-05-15 12:48:01 AM  
Keene eh? I used to travel up to Keene on the weekends. Keene was known as THE party school then.
 
2013-05-15 1:12:44 AM  
So, what's this group's addy?  I might send them a few bucks.
 
2013-05-15 1:26:19 AM  
F♥cking meter maids in East Lansing ticketed me before my meter ran out on two separate occasions. Seriously, I unlocked my car, noticed the ticket on my window, and then looked at the meter to actually watch as the meter ran out of time a couple seconds later.

Another time, I got the ticket and looked at the meter- I had 3 minutes left!

And there's not a damn thing you can do about it when the meter maids LIE and commit fraud, unless you want to schedule a trip to traffic court and play a game of "my word against theirs" with law enforcement.
 
2013-05-15 1:41:01 AM  
I think those of you who are commenting that there should either be unlimited parking for an hourly fee, or free timed parking are fairly young and don't remember video rental. Forget the restaurant analogy; go with this instead. You pay for use of the commodity, but you can't pay again immediately and retain it; you must return the commodity to the owner when the time is up. This is a good model if you want to make money from the commodity (and perhaps put a modest, but not prohibitive limit on the availability), and allow multiple people to have access to it.

I don't know whether that's the best model for prime commercial area parking, but I'd believe it. You want to make a bit of money off shoppers and discourage driving and keep people from using the spaces frivolously, but you also want many shoppers, and not just one person there all day.
 
2013-05-15 1:46:54 AM  

zeg: As far as I know, there is no natural or constitutional right to pay someone else's parking meter.





The Constitution limits government.
 
2013-05-15 2:12:54 AM  

MBooda: farkingismybusiness: I hope he cuts their heartds out with a spoon off.

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came for CHL
still trying to get my mind right
 
2013-05-15 2:52:27 AM  

shifty eyes: I think those of you who are commenting that there should either be unlimited parking for an hourly fee, or free timed parking are fairly young and don't remember video rental. Forget the restaurant analogy; go with this instead. You pay for use of the commodity, but you can't pay again immediately and retain it; you must return the commodity to the owner when the time is up. This is a good model if you want to make money from the commodity (and perhaps put a modest, but not prohibitive limit on the availability), and allow multiple people to have access to it.

I don't know whether that's the best model for prime commercial area parking, but I'd believe it. You want to make a bit of money off shoppers and discourage driving and keep people from using the spaces frivolously, but you also want many shoppers, and not just one person there all day.


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2013-05-15 3:11:11 AM  

Fano: brandent: downstairs: show me: I thought feeding expired meters was illegal anyway, because one of their purposes, in addition to raising revenue, was to limit parking time in commercial areas to 2 hours to "give other people a chance" to shop or somesuch stuff.

Yeah, I'm kinda torn.  I like the gesture... but indeed, the point of parking meters is really just to limit parking to people that only need to be in the area for a short time.  Otherwise, find a parking garage.

You know what's weird?  I never thought of it that way.  I always just assumed its only purpose was a form of taxation and to pay for street upkeep.  I always thought that was stupid because there's no way they can make enough on the meters to justify them.  But I suppose you are correct.  The street would just fill up with vehicles parked there all day and thus limiting commerce.  Then again on my side of the coin you have the city of Chicago that leased out the rights to their meters for 100 years just to collect a lump sum cash cow.

The interesting thing is that people keep asserting that in this thread, as though buying an extra 15 minutes is going to turn all the parkers into scofflaws that leave their car parked for 8 hours.have they made it illegal to pay the toll for the driver behind you yet?


In many places, you get no more than 2 hours and you have to pay for the time you're parked.  There is no such thing as "buying an extra 15 minutes" over the maximum.
 
2013-05-15 3:20:02 AM  

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I can't tell if you are drunk, a bot, or a drunk bot.
 
2013-05-15 3:57:20 AM  
Misperceptions about the Coast Guard and claiming it isn't a military service is simply willful ignorance.

Maybe you'd like to serve on one of these?

Yes I did. Two of them.

If the Coast Guard isn't a military service then why the hell are there a MK76 and a CWIS mounted on this thing? We carried torpedos too. The Coast Guard is credited with sinking quite a few German U-boats in WWII.

And then there's this guy.

Yeah, not military dumbass.
 
2013-05-15 4:01:52 AM  
Make that CIWS.

And MK75 (it's a 76mm cannon).
 
2013-05-15 4:55:59 AM  
These folks sound like Free State Project guys.  I think what they are doing is cool.
 
2013-05-15 5:10:36 AM  

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Although not named Rita, the woman Paul was referring to was Meta Davies, who was the first female ticket officer working in the St. John's Wood area where Paul lived.  "It was in the spring of 1967 that I ticketed Paul's car," Rita related.  "He was on a meter showing excess, so I gave him a ten-shilling ticket...I'd just put it on the windscreen when Paul came along and took it off.  He looked at it and read my signature which was in full, because there was another M. Davies on the same unit.  As he was walking away, he turned to me and said, 'Oh, is your name really Meta?'  I told him that it was.  We chatted for a few minutes and he said, 'That would be a good name for a song.  Would you mind if I use it?'  And that was that.  Off he went...Then, a few months later, I heard 'Lovely Rita' on the radio...I was never a Beatles' fan but you couldn't help hearing their music.  My own daughter used to wait outside the Abbey Road Studios to see them!"


Whore!
 
2013-05-15 6:55:09 AM  

wamser: Ok, Im from Keene and for once I have something of substance to add.  The Robin Hood thing is great in theory, and Im sure people appreciate it.

However the group doing this are associated with the local FreeStaters who are generally a nuisance.  They are some sort of libertarian group for small government but they go about everything terribly; most are out of staters who moved here just for their cause which endear them to none of the locals.  They do things like hang in town square, protest at the middle school, and harass the cops, plus oppose victimless crimes such as drunk driving and drugs(obviously).

Additionally, the fines in Keene are like 5 bucks, much less than in alot of cities.

Again, I like the idea but I have to suspect the execution could be better.


It's good to hear a comment about the reality of the situation from someone who actually knows.  From reading the article it did seem it wasn't just about them feeding the meters, but them being total dicks about it.  I think a lot of farkers kind of missed that point, or didn't RTFA (but nothing new there!).
 
2013-05-15 7:28:21 AM  

Kozaru: These folks sound like Free State Project guys.  I think what they are doing is cool.


It's not really. If you agree with their ideals that's fine but these guys have idiotic methods. The best they do is harass people and most people in town generally don't like them.
 
2013-05-15 7:59:43 AM  

king_nacho: scottydoesntknow: king_nacho: robbiex0r: Ker_Thwap: A case of people being stupidly helpful.  It's a cute idea at face value, until you need a meter in a retail district that some clown has been parked at all day.

What if the owner of the car comes and plugs the meter every 2 hours? That's perfectly legal, even if the meter maid sees them show up every hour and 58 minutes.

Most laws limit you to a max of so many hours per day, many of the meters around here are labels as 1 hour max, 2 hour daily limit or something like that, you can come feed the meter once, but not again.

That's so stupid though. If it's free parking, sure limit the amount of time people can be there, but if I'm paying then I should get to stay as long as I'm paying. It's not like I'm denying them revenue, I'm actually trying to give them money. I don't care about giving other people the "opportunity to shop" because A) I got up and out there earlier than you and snagged that spot, and B) I'm still shopping and spending money.

that's like going to a restaurant and saying that because I bought one steak I should get all the steaks I can eat. The laws are for the people that come down there and park all day and take up spaces and aren't shopping.

Generally I've only ever seen it enforced if there are no other meters free, and its been several hours. But other cities may be different.


No, it's like going to a restaurant and saying that because I bought one steak I could buy another one when that one is done.
 
2013-05-15 8:43:02 AM  
In downtown Augusta, GA, we are currently in strife over a similar issue. The downtown are had become increasingly deserted and dilapidated. My employer, along with several other businessmen, agreed to buy downtown properties and invest in bringing prosperity back to the downtown area, some 20 years ago. It all started with several buildings being converted into office space, including the former furniture store my own office is located in. After we got established, more commercial businesses followed suit. This was expressly contingent upon an agreement with the city commission and the Downtown Development Authority that there would be ample parking along the median of Broad Street for their employees. (Broad Street has diagonal parking along both sides of the median, and along the street edge. The median has historically been 8-hour parking; the street edge- 2-hour parking, to allow for the small shops we shared the area with.) Then the Board of Education bought and renovated an abandoned multistory department store several blocks down, resulting in the a hundred + more office workers in the area. As they also bought the parking deck that went with the old store, parking still wasn't even close to a problem. But the bistros that have flooded into the area over the past 3 years, trying to capture the lunch business of all these cubicle workers changed all that. Too many, too soon. Three years later, they decided amongst their selves that they weren't getting enough business from us, and we went from patrons to obstacles, due to the parking spaces we've occupied for 20 years, and they covet for the use of increasing their patronage. So, they complained to the City Commission. The Commission promptly instituted 2-hour parking along the median, and gave us the thin excuse that this was to avoid having to install parking meters in these spaces, and that we could purchase parking passes to exempt ourselves from the 2-hour limit at a cost of $240 per year. I don't know about you, but if I'm paying for a parking spot, I expect it to be there when I get back from delivering documents to our clients, otherwise all this really amounts to is extortion. So, we office denizens have come up with a solution. We will now go downstairs at 11 AM, 1 PM, and 3 PM, and play "musical parking spots" to be in compliance with the law. Otherwise, nothing changes. We will continue to occupy the same parking spots, for the same hours, on the same days, and the bistro owners have really only cost their selves even more business, because we will also boycott them for their troubles.

Ironically, there used to be a whole lot less beer bottles in the area's gutters and on the sidewalks before they got here, both broken and otherwise.
 
2013-05-15 8:48:43 AM  

zeg: As far as I know, there is no natural or constitutional right to pay someone else's parking meter.


This kind of thinking is exactly why the Bill of Rights are amendments instead of being in the original constitution.  The founders thought that some people would look at the list and think that rights are limited to what's written on it, so they were weary of including it.  OF COURSE it's your right to buy whatever non-contraband item you'd like with your money.  It shouldn't need to be explicitly stated, it's implied.
 
2013-05-15 8:55:27 AM  
EvilEgg

Feeding the meter, great!

Harassing the meter readers, you're a jerk.

oh fark you and the cop whose dick your sucking.

Don't want to be a meter maid, don't take the job, they're farking tax collectors, not god damn super heroes. Stop worshiping them already.

Pigs shouldn't be threatened by people Video them unless they're afraid they'll be caught doing something illegal on film. But since breaking the law is what 99% of cops do 99% of the time..... i can see why they're afraid of the videographers.

Also, telling a cop to fark off or calling them a pig is protected speech. Again. Don't like being called a pig. Don't be one.

/// the only good cop......
 
2013-05-15 9:36:22 AM  

MBooda: farkingismybusiness: I hope he cuts their heartds out with a spoon off.

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I was gonna say the city should consider itself lucky they're going with the Robin Hood approach rather than the Cool Hand Luke approach...
 
2013-05-15 10:19:40 AM  
I'm seeing a lot of people with rustled jimmies that should be using public transportation instead.
 
2013-05-15 1:39:44 PM  

Super Chronic: I don't know what to think... I mean, I guess it's well-intentioned, but is that the best use of charitable money and time?  Some of the beneficiaries might be quite wealthy, others might have knowingly blown off the meter, taking their chances on not getting caught.  You could buy some lunches or mosquito nets or something with that money.


Does the way you spend your resources objectivity maximize social utility?
 
2013-05-15 5:39:31 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: vudukungfu: "including profanities and derogatory statements relative to his military service."

I bet she was in the coast guard.

They said "MILITARY."

If the Coast Guard is military, then so are the Boy Scouts.


The Coast Guard used to be the 5th branch of the military, but after 9/11 they got subsumed to Homeland Security. A sad day.

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2013-05-15 5:45:39 PM  

Medic Zero: The Coast Guard used to be the 5th branch of the military, but after 9/11 they got subsumed to Homeland Security. A sad day.


The Coast Guard definitely did the right thing by distancing themselves from that...it, and the National Guard, is about the only functional component of DHS.
 
2013-05-15 6:01:39 PM  

Silverstaff: yet_another_wumpus: They're over in Homeland Security now (and need to be moved back so the whole thing can be shut down).

Word.

I'm all for a strong national defense and vigorous antiterrorism and law enforcement. . .but the DHS is an abomination that needs to be dismantled.

Move the USCG back to the DoT.  Disband the TSA and return airline security to local control, as long as certain standards are met (that "to professionalize you have to Federalize" line was crap).  Put the US Secret Service back entirely under the Treasury.  Move most of the remaining functions over to the DoJ.

The DHS was a derpstorm given form.


Your newsletter, I'd like to subscribe to it.

Been saying the same things since it all happened, and the name "Homeland Security"? Makes me want to gag every time I hear it. Sounds like some idiots idea of a spoof of Nazi Fatherland. Shameful for one of our gov't agencies to be named such a thing.
 
2013-05-15 6:32:03 PM  

rappy: shifty eyes: I think those of you who are commenting that there should either be unlimited parking for an hourly fee, or free timed parking are fairly young and don't remember video rental. Forget the restaurant analogy; go with this instead. You pay for use of the commodity, but you can't pay again immediately and retain it; you must return the commodity to the owner when the time is up. This is a good model if you want to make money from the commodity (and perhaps put a modest, but not prohibitive limit on the availability), and allow multiple people to have access to it.

I don't know whether that's the best model for prime commercial area parking, but I'd believe it. You want to make a bit of money off shoppers and discourage driving and keep people from using the spaces frivolously, but you also want many shoppers, and not just one person there all day.

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In English please!
 
2013-05-15 8:08:55 PM  
There should be no problem with a restraining type order for a given amount of space- say 50 feet.
 
2013-05-15 8:59:27 PM  

pxlboy: Jormungandr: king_nacho: scottydoesntknow: king_nacho: robbiex0r: Ker_Thwap: A case of people being stupidly helpful.  It's a cute idea at face value, until you need a meter in a retail district that some clown has been parked at all day.

What if the owner of the car comes and plugs the meter every 2 hours? That's perfectly legal, even if the meter maid sees them show up every hour and 58 minutes.

Most laws limit you to a max of so many hours per day, many of the meters around here are labels as 1 hour max, 2 hour daily limit or something like that, you can come feed the meter once, but not again.

That's so stupid though. If it's free parking, sure limit the amount of time people can be there, but if I'm paying then I should get to stay as long as I'm paying. It's not like I'm denying them revenue, I'm actually trying to give them money. I don't care about giving other people the "opportunity to shop" because A) I got up and out there earlier than you and snagged that spot, and B) I'm still shopping and spending money.

that's like going to a restaurant and saying that because I bought one steak I should get all the steaks I can eat. The laws are for the people that come down there and park all day and take up spaces and aren't shopping.

Generally I've only ever seen it enforced if there are no other meters free, and its been several hours. But other cities may be different.

No, To use the restaurant  analogy, it is more like going in to a restaurant that charges a set amount for steak per hour and expecting to be able to eat steak as long as you keep paying, which would make sense.

*Homer voice* Mmmmm hourly steak


I know, right? I wonder if such a business could actually work, how much would you need to charge to cut a profit... I suppose you could do a really nice cold smoked steak with all the fixins: Giant buttery and sour creamy potato, an actually nice salad, maybe a few prawns, a complimentary pint, or glass of wine. and just make the meal so massive and good that people spend more than an hour on it. Or alternatively you could churn out barely adequate steaks and let people pick them up from under hot lights a la buffet. Ugh

OR like that restaurant couple you could claim to do the first, do the second and then flip the fark out on facebook when called on it.
 
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