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Theaetetus
2013-05-12 07:33:49 PM  
Mrtraveler01:
My question is that if it's my Constitutional right to buy a hand grenade, how come the SC hasn't struck down any laws that regulate the purchase of them?When was the last case they heard involving purchase of hand grenades? Or are you suggesting they should just start striking down laws they don't like without a case to hear? Have you ever  read the Constitution?
 
Mrtraveler01
2013-05-12 07:34:43 PM  
Injury count now up to 18 according to WDSU.
 
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom
2013-05-12 07:34:58 PM  

Mugato: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Really? I don't watch Fox News, but I find it kind of hard to believe they'd claim that the Tea Party is the most persecuted group in the US.

Well we are talking about Fox News, the #1 highest rated TV news source that constantly goes on about the right being persecuted by the "mainstream media". Projection is not foreign to them.


Yeah. After you're out of the loop for a while, you kind of lose sight of how batshiat insane that network is.
 
Theaetetus
2013-05-12 07:34:58 PM  

Gleeman: Theaetetus: Gleeman: since the Colonists went to war with weapons that also doubled as hunting muskets (were hunting weapons to be exact, no full autos/claymores/mortars/etc. in 1776) and hunting was essential for survival anywhere but in the few large colonial cities, that was most likely assumed.

The Colonists also went to war with cannons and carronades, so, no, it's not a reasonable limitation to assume.

Your average Colonist kept a cannon/carronade in their cabin?


Your average Colonist who commanded a vessel that became a Navy vessel against the English did. Probably a pair of long 14s.
 
fusillade762 [TotalFark]
2013-05-12 07:35:18 PM  
 
Mrtraveler01
2013-05-12 07:35:51 PM  

Theaetetus: Mrtraveler01:
My question is that if it's my Constitutional right to buy a hand grenade, how come the SC hasn't struck down any laws that regulate the purchase of them?When was the last case they heard involving purchase of hand grenades? Or are you suggesting they should just start striking down laws they don't like without a case to hear? Have you ever  read the Constitution?


So how come no one has challenged the laws restricting hand grenade purchases if people think they are unconstitutional?
 
WeenerGord
2013-05-12 07:36:23 PM  

Iplaybass: It's a complex, multifactorial issue that could be halted significantly with tightened gun laws. But no, you retards are too stupid to see that. Despite the fact that it's worked elsewhere.


How's it working in South Africa?
 
Quantum Apostrophe
2013-05-12 07:37:26 PM  

flamingboard: Shoot a dear with an automatic assault rifle and see how well the meat turns out.


Shoot it? You can't even spell it!
 
TheShavingofOccam123
2013-05-12 07:38:11 PM  
Next time a guy wants to join your krewe, let the poor bastard join.

Mothers, let this be a lesson. Teach your children how to use and carry civilian models of military rifles. Nancy Lanza followed this approach and it worked out well for her.
 
iq_in_binary
2013-05-12 07:38:13 PM  

Gleeman: Theaetetus: Gleeman: since the Colonists went to war with weapons that also doubled as hunting muskets (were hunting weapons to be exact, no full autos/claymores/mortars/etc. in 1776) and hunting was essential for survival anywhere but in the few large colonial cities, that was most likely assumed.

The Colonists also went to war with cannons and carronades, so, no, it's not a reasonable limitation to assume.

Your average Colonist kept a cannon/carronade in their cabin?


Not generally. But I already know what argument you're trying to make and it's just as invalid.

During the time of the framers, and pretty much all the way up to and including the majority of the 20th century, military small arms technology lagged far behind that of the small arms technology available to the American citizenry. The Army was stuck with percussion cap rifles for almost 40 years after the introduction of brass cartridge ammunition. Private militias and armies were almost universally better equipped than their Union or Confederate counterparts during the Revolutionary and Civil wars.

Being as how the second amendment focused on small arms, I think your point is moot.
 
GUTSU
2013-05-12 07:39:30 PM  

WeenerGord: Iplaybass: It's a complex, multifactorial issue that could be halted significantly with tightened gun laws. But no, you retards are too stupid to see that. Despite the fact that it's worked elsewhere.

How's it working in South Africa?


Don't you know places like Arizona and Texas are war zones? Bandits riding gigantic semi-fully automatic rifles with teflon coated wheels raping women, and trading depleted uranium rounds as currency?
 
Theaetetus
2013-05-12 07:39:45 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Theaetetus: Mrtraveler01:
My question is that if it's my Constitutional right to buy a hand grenade, how come the SC hasn't struck down any laws that regulate the purchase of them?When was the last case they heard involving purchase of hand grenades? Or are you suggesting they should just start striking down laws they don't like without a case to hear? Have you ever  read the Constitution?

So how come no one has challenged the laws restricting hand grenade purchases if people think they are unconstitutional?


How come no one has challenged the Alabama law against playing dominoes on Sunday when it's clearly unconstitutional? Maybe people aren't bored enough to go around challenging stupid laws that are hardly ever applied? There's no National Hand Grenade Association, you'll notice.
 
Gleeman
2013-05-12 07:40:19 PM  

iq_in_binary: Gleeman: Theaetetus: Gleeman: since the Colonists went to war with weapons that also doubled as hunting muskets (were hunting weapons to be exact, no full autos/claymores/mortars/etc. in 1776) and hunting was essential for survival anywhere but in the few large colonial cities, that was most likely assumed.

The Colonists also went to war with cannons and carronades, so, no, it's not a reasonable limitation to assume.

Your average Colonist kept a cannon/carronade in their cabin?

Not generally. But I already know what argument you're trying to make and it's just as invalid.

During the time of the framers, and pretty much all the way up to and including the majority of the 20th century, military small arms technology lagged far behind that of the small arms technology available to the American citizenry. The Army was stuck with percussion cap rifles for almost 40 years after the introduction of brass cartridge ammunition. Private militias and armies were almost universally better equipped than their Union or Confederate counterparts during the Revolutionary and Civil wars.

Being as how the second amendment focused on small arms, I think your point is moot.


Well I was replying to the posters who thought the 'responsible' public should be able to own grenades or whatever weapon they want. Well regulated, how does it work?

/also sorta bored
 
rosebud_the_sled
2013-05-12 07:40:43 PM  
Gosh, I guess every single one of the cops was unarmed; otherwise, all NRA supporters are full of shiat.

I've got a truism that is absolute, as opposed to the lies coming from the NRA filth.  The only thing shopping someone with a gun from shooting someone else is having no ammunition.
 
Mrtraveler01
2013-05-12 07:41:10 PM  

Theaetetus: Mrtraveler01: Theaetetus: Mrtraveler01:
My question is that if it's my Constitutional right to buy a hand grenade, how come the SC hasn't struck down any laws that regulate the purchase of them?When was the last case they heard involving purchase of hand grenades? Or are you suggesting they should just start striking down laws they don't like without a case to hear? Have you ever  read the Constitution?

So how come no one has challenged the laws restricting hand grenade purchases if people think they are unconstitutional?

How come no one has challenged the Alabama law against playing dominoes on Sunday when it's clearly unconstitutional? Maybe people aren't bored enough to go around challenging stupid laws that are hardly ever applied? There's no National Hand Grenade Association, you'll notice.


But that's my point.

How can one say that a law restricting hand grenade purchases is unconstitutional if even the SC hasn't had a say in it?
 
ronaprhys
2013-05-12 07:43:14 PM  

rosebud_the_sled: Gosh, I guess every single one of the cops was unarmed; otherwise, all NRA supporters are full of shiat.

I've got a truism that is absolute, as opposed to the lies coming from the NRA filth.  The only thing shopping someone with a gun from shooting someone else is having no ammunition.


Why would someone shop someone else?
 
GUTSU
2013-05-12 07:43:29 PM  
Gleeman:
Well I was replying to the posters who thought the 'responsible' public should be able to own grenades or whatever weapon they want. Well regulated, how does it work?

/also sorta bored

You're comparing explosives to firearms. Explosives aren't discriminatory, while firearms are.

Personally I have no problem with people owning explosives, but I don't believe they can be used for self-defense. Bullets typically don't have a 15m radius of instant death.
 
ronaprhys
2013-05-12 07:45:15 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Theaetetus: Mrtraveler01: Theaetetus: Mrtraveler01:
My question is that if it's my Constitutional right to buy a hand grenade, how come the SC hasn't struck down any laws that regulate the purchase of them?When was the last case they heard involving purchase of hand grenades? Or are you suggesting they should just start striking down laws they don't like without a case to hear? Have you ever  read the Constitution?

So how come no one has challenged the laws restricting hand grenade purchases if people think they are unconstitutional?

How come no one has challenged the Alabama law against playing dominoes on Sunday when it's clearly unconstitutional? Maybe people aren't bored enough to go around challenging stupid laws that are hardly ever applied? There's no National Hand Grenade Association, you'll notice.

But that's my point.

How can one say that a law restricting hand grenade purchases is unconstitutional if even the SC hasn't had a say in it?


Saying a law is unConstitutional is easy. It involves no more than the vocal cords moving in patterns very similar to everyday speech.

As to the point that you incorrectly called out, based on general legal precepts, one can point to reasons why a law appears to be unConstitutional.  Kind of like the Patriot Act, SOPA, or any other myriad of laws out there.
 
iq_in_binary
2013-05-12 07:48:05 PM  

Gleeman: iq_in_binary: Gleeman: Theaetetus: Gleeman: since the Colonists went to war with weapons that also doubled as hunting muskets (were hunting weapons to be exact, no full autos/claymores/mortars/etc. in 1776) and hunting was essential for survival anywhere but in the few large colonial cities, that was most likely assumed.

The Colonists also went to war with cannons and carronades, so, no, it's not a reasonable limitation to assume.

Your average Colonist kept a cannon/carronade in their cabin?

Not generally. But I already know what argument you're trying to make and it's just as invalid.

During the time of the framers, and pretty much all the way up to and including the majority of the 20th century, military small arms technology lagged far behind that of the small arms technology available to the American citizenry. The Army was stuck with percussion cap rifles for almost 40 years after the introduction of brass cartridge ammunition. Private militias and armies were almost universally better equipped than their Union or Confederate counterparts during the Revolutionary and Civil wars.

Being as how the second amendment focused on small arms, I think your point is moot.

Well I was replying to the posters who thought the 'responsible' public should be able to own grenades or whatever weapon they want. Well regulated, how does it work?

/also sorta bored


The "responsible" public already does.

There are thousands upon thousands of grenades, grenade launchers, machine guns, machine pistols, anti aircraft guns, anti material rifles, etc. in the hands of the American public.

Find me one that has been used in a crime since the passing of the NFA. I won't wait, because you can't.

That there in lies the crux of the problem. Gun Control works, the NFA. Prohibition does not, the AWB didn't do a damn thing to keep Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold from shooting at my cousins in Columbine.

When the debate on the subject starts with those basic facts being recognized, there will be progress. Until then it's just going to be a crap show.
 
fusillade762 [TotalFark]
2013-05-12 07:48:14 PM  

Gleeman: no full autos/claymores/mortars/etc. in 1776


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John Buck 41 [TotalFark]
2013-05-12 07:48:15 PM  

coeyagi: iq_in_binary: coeyagi: super_grass: coeyagi: Dimensio: Nabb1: EVERYBODY PANIC: Hey, that's my hometown. Only a dozen injured? And this is news? Meh.

Local reports seem to indicate one gang member shooting at another in a crowd and hitting just about everyone else but the guy he wanted to shoot. But, hey, political circle jerk.

Gun rights advocates remain hopeful that some of the injured will eventually die so the NRA can go on the defensive and drive gun sales.

FTFY

That makes zero sense. If what you said was true then gun sales would jump after every local gangland drive-by.

Gun sales jumped after the shootings because suddenly politicians and news networks started talking about gun control. People decided to guy guns before it becomes harder/more expensive to do so.

It's the Streisand effect, not some NRA conspiracy.

Oh dear lord.  Sure, you just keep believing that if the NRA isn't stoking the fire of fear in gun owners, that the guns and ammo will be flying off the shelves at the rate they've been.

Follow the money.

1) Tragedy.
2) Call for gun control.
3) NRA stokes fear.
4) People buy guns / ammo.
5) More money in gun manufacturers' pockets.
6) More money to go to the NRA from gun manufacturers.

I am not saying they would do this, but given that model, it would be in the best financial interest of everyone if the NRA just armed all the school children it could.  But I am SURE they haven't every suggested anything remotely similar to that before...

That you think the NRA is funded by gun manufacturers shows just how little you know about the subject.

Now, I'm not saying that the whole fear stoking cycle doesn't exist--it is obvious that it does--but to say that it is some grand conspiracy on the part of gun manufacturers is wholly ignorant and just as desperately conspiratorial as the Alex Jones crowd tends to be.

The NRA is funded by dues, even the NRA-ILA's lobbying is funded almost entirely by member dues.

Yeah, you're actually wrong there chief ...


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Slappajo
2013-05-12 07:51:21 PM  

The_Sponge: Gleeman: what's wrong with they USA then?


We've created a culture where "it's not my fault" and "the world owes me a living".


You forgot "i'm special."
 
TheShavingofOccam123
2013-05-12 07:54:37 PM  
Since I've been president, this is the fourth FIFTH time we have come together to comfort a grieving community torn apart by mass shootings, fourth FIFTH time we've hugged survivors, the fourth FIFTH time we've consoled the families of victims.

Charlotte, Daniel, Olivia, Josephine, Ana, Dylan, Madeline, Catherine, Chase, Jesse, James, Grace, Emilie, Jack, Noah, Caroline, Jessica, Benjamin, Avielle, Allison, God has called them all home.

It's all about "MAH RIGHTS"!!1!  That and Wayne LaPierre selling new memberships, bumper stickers, tote bags, padded gun rests...
 
Dimensio [TotalFark]
2013-05-12 07:54:38 PM  

ronaprhys: ontariolightning: ronaprhys:
The intent of the tool is irrelevant.  That's a fun fact for you.  Especially when it's spelled out in the Constitution.

How is the intent irrelevant? It's always about intent in criminal law.

Let's see here - over-extrapolation FTMFW!

Try again.


You are attempting to discuss with an individual who claims that the existence of the National Firearms Act is "NRA propaganda" and that fully automatic assault rifles are easily obtained in the United States of America. Do not expect honesty or reason.
 
Enemabag Jones
2013-05-12 08:04:19 PM  
Gleeman,
Well that's technically correct; but since the Colonists went to war with weapons that also doubled as hunting muskets (were hunting weapons to be exact, no full autos/claymores/mortars/etc. in 1776) and hunting was essential for survival anywhere but in the few large colonial cities, that was most likely assumed.

Mortars were invented during in the middle of the Ottoman empire.
 
poonesfarm
2013-05-12 08:04:20 PM  
It's high time we had a serious talk about video games in this country.
 
Jacobin
2013-05-12 08:04:38 PM  
Calm down. Its the annual mothers day shoot out in the 7th ward in New Orleans
 
jeblis
2013-05-12 08:10:00 PM  
They were seen fleeing on Frenchmen

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ontariolightning
2013-05-12 08:13:33 PM  
Gun owners should be forced to buy gun insurance on every gun or be subject to 5 years in prison
 
GUTSU
2013-05-12 08:15:06 PM  

ontariolightning: Gun owners should be forced to buy gun insurance on every gun or be subject to 5 years in prison


knife owners should be forced to buy knife insurance on every knife or be subject to 5 years in prison
 
Nick Nostril
2013-05-12 08:15:53 PM  
Violence in NOLA? Unpossible.
 
ontariolightning
2013-05-12 08:15:55 PM  

GUTSU: ontariolightning: Gun owners should be forced to buy gun insurance on every gun or be subject to 5 years in prison

knife owners should be forced to buy knife insurance on every knife or be subject to 5 years in prison


this is about guns, not knives, not pools.
 
GUTSU
2013-05-12 08:16:59 PM  

ontariolightning: GUTSU: ontariolightning: Gun owners should be forced to buy gun insurance on every gun or be subject to 5 years in prison

knife owners should be forced to buy knife insurance on every knife or be subject to 5 years in prison

this is about guns, not knives, not pools.


Why? No one needs to own sharp or pointy knives.
 
Dimensio [TotalFark]
2013-05-12 08:18:20 PM  

ontariolightning: Gun owners should be forced to buy gun insurance on every gun or be subject to 5 years in prison


What, specifically, would be covered by this insurance? For what reason should suggrstions regarding firearm regulation reform be considered from someone who is willfully ignorant of existing firearm regulation in the United States of America?
 
Slappajo
2013-05-12 08:24:20 PM  

Dimensio: ontariolightning: Gun owners should be forced to buy gun insurance on every gun or be subject to 5 years in prison

What, specifically, would be covered by this insurance? For what reason should suggrstions regarding firearm regulation reform be considered from someone who is willfully ignorant of existing firearm regulation in the United States of America?


I'm not sure it's willful ignorance.
 
LookForTheArrow
2013-05-12 08:25:55 PM  

ontariolightning: Gun owners should be forced to buy gun insurance on every gun or be subject to 5 years in prison


anything but do the obvious thing, right?

(enforce openly administered gun registration with age and background-related restriction with high fines for scofflaws. Jail time is just wasteful in all respects.)
 
vygramul [TotalFark]
2013-05-12 08:29:41 PM  

Gleeman: Theaetetus: Gleeman: since the Colonists went to war with weapons that also doubled as hunting muskets (were hunting weapons to be exact, no full autos/claymores/mortars/etc. in 1776) and hunting was essential for survival anywhere but in the few large colonial cities, that was most likely assumed.

The Colonists also went to war with cannons and carronades, so, no, it's not a reasonable limitation to assume.

Your average Colonist kept a cannon/carronade in their cabin?


There WAS private ownership of artillery at the time. And two Supreme Court cases reinforced the private ownership of artillery, too.
 
Gulper Eel
2013-05-12 08:32:11 PM  
It may be unusual to have 17 shot in New Orleans, but not that much so. Chicago just last month had a weekend with 26 people shot and they didn't even get a parade out of the deal.

In one weekend in Detroit in 2011 there were 25 shot.

New York managed 48 shot a couple years ago, but it looks like it was a three-day weekend - but hey, there was a parade at least.
 
GUTSU
2013-05-12 08:33:52 PM  

LookForTheArrow: ontariolightning: Gun owners should be forced to buy gun insurance on every gun or be subject to 5 years in prison

anything but do the obvious thing, right?

(enforce openly administered gun registration with age and background-related restriction with high fines for scofflaws. Jail time is just wasteful in all respects.)


In new york there is massive noncompliance, in canada their register cost 2 billion dollars and it didn't do a damn thing so they got rid of it. Imagine having to deal with 10 times as many people and firearms, all for nothing.
 
way south
2013-05-12 08:34:07 PM  

GUTSU: ontariolightning: GUTSU: ontariolightning: Gun owners should be forced to buy gun insurance on every gun or be subject to 5 years in prison

knife owners should be forced to buy knife insurance on every knife or be subject to 5 years in prison

this is about guns, not knives, not pools.

Why? No one needs to own sharp or pointy knives.





Or pools, for that matter.
If the argument is about buying insurance to cover the potential damages for owning a dangerous thing, then a thing that is more likely to kill someone should come with a higher premium than a thing that is less dangerous.

When the focus seems to be on punishing rank and file gun owners instead of a rich minority of pool owners, the legislation being crafted begins to sound oddly specific...
 
fluffy2097
2013-05-12 08:36:59 PM  

flamingboard: Shoot a dear with an automatic assault rifle and see how well the meat turns out.


You seem to be under the impression that all automatic assault rifles work like this baby (Which I would LOVE to go hunting with.)
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The truth is that fully automatic assault rifles (which have never been used in anything but warcrimes in recent history) have select fire. You could easily take one shot with one. Or a 3 round burst.

What you meant was "semi-automatic" because that's what people commit crimes with. Semi-automatic weapons. Why are crimes committed almost entirely with semi-automatic weapons? Because it's the most common type. It goes bang every time you pull the trigger until the ammo runs out.

/your ignorance. It's showing.
 
Fissile
2013-05-12 08:38:11 PM  

IlGreven: Slappajo: luckyeddie: Slappajo: I'll just leave this here:   http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/10/americans-who-favor-stricter-gun-co n trol

Well, you've convinced me.

Only 11,078 gun homicide deaths in a year. Hardly worth farking mentioning, is it?

Actually, I was referring the bias mentioned in the article.  And statistically, no 11,078 gun homicide deaths is not worth mentioning.  Shiat happens.  People die everyday for one reason or another.  Thinking we can control all of them is completely delusional.

Please stop using "accidents happen" to justify doing nothing.  Because as much as you deny it, that's exactly what you're doing.  And by doing nothing, you increase the chance that the "accident happens" to you.


==================

If it were only 11,078 firearm homicide deaths per year in a country of 310 million, it would only be a drop in the bucket, but there's more to the story.   In 2010 there were 31,513 total deaths caused by firearms,,,,,homicides, suicides and accidents.   In addition there were over 200,000 non fatal injuries, most of which required extensive medical treatment.  The cost of medical care and lost productivity from firearms injuries runs into the billions of dollars every year....year after year.  How much would we save every year just in medical treatment, to say nothing of police and court costs, if only half of these killings/injuries were prevented?
 
fluffy2097
2013-05-12 08:40:22 PM  

Fissile: In 2010 there were 31,513 total deaths caused by firearms,,,,,homicides, suicides and accidents.


around 30 people die a day to drunk drivers.

When are we going to ban alcohol again?
 
squibbits
2013-05-12 08:42:10 PM  
"They were seen fleeing on Frenchmen"

Is that legal?
 
Fissile
2013-05-12 08:44:13 PM  

fluffy2097: Fissile: In 2010 there were 31,513 total deaths caused by firearms,,,,,homicides, suicides and accidents.

around 30 people die a day to drunk drivers.

When are we going to ban alcohol again?


-------------

Which is still only 1/3 the total amount of people killed by firearms every year.
 
scalpod
2013-05-12 08:46:49 PM  
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bullocks
2013-05-12 08:48:00 PM  
I'm sure the guy looked just like ted nugent.
 
Stone Meadow
2013-05-12 08:49:18 PM  

hardinparamedic: Stone Meadow: No, checking links is not hard...I simply missed the word "accidents". Shiat happens.

I owe you an apology then. Sorry for snapping at you.


Not to worry. We cool. :)
 
bmihura
2013-05-12 08:50:25 PM  

Warthog: Serious question:  what's a "Second line" as discussed in the article?


There's this search tool called "Google". Try it!
 
Jacobin
2013-05-12 08:52:06 PM  
If anyone in this thread seriously believes that the gangbangers who shot up the second line don't already have a rap sheet that would make it illegal for them to possess a gun and further believes that Pappy on the West Bank does background checks when he sells kids stolen pistols out of the trunk of his car, there is no hope for you
 
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