Lionel Mandrake: You're comparing apples and toasters.
Lionel Mandrake: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Christians should "stop and think about how it would feel if their high school graduation ceremonies were held in a Jewish temple or Muslim mosque, where diplomas were handed out beneath a looming Star of David or Islamic crescent," said Ayesha Khan, legal director for Americans United for Separation of Church and State, which represented the winning plaintiffs.I did stop and think of how that would feel, and I quite honestly would feel nothing. It's a farking building, complain when they start preaching to you. If you're as sensitive to the presence of crosses and "holy ground" as some b-movie vampire, then nobody should take you seriously, and you quite honestly have failed at life.Do you speak for all two billion Christians?There are people in America, lots of them, that boycott stores who say "happy holidays." You bet your ass plenty of Christians would shiat a brick - f*ck, they'd shiat the Great Wall of China - if they heard graduation was going to be held at mosque. How you feel isn't relevant.
Ken VeryBigLiar: Mrtraveler01: It's farking WI in springtime, how hot does it get up there?It might be 85 and humid or 35 and windy, we're never sure. It's more that you can't have that many people who, let's face it, aren't skinny in that amount of space.
tenpoundsofcheese: TwoHead: Let me get this straight...you are so tough that freedom loving Americans having their rights infringedWhat right is being infringed?There is a right of freedom of religion, there is no right of freedom from seeing a religious symbol.
DarwiOdrade: ecmoRandomNumbers: DarwiOdrade: On the other hand, why can't we have nicer schools? Do we value our children and their education so little?Is this rhetorical, or an actual question?A little of both - if you have a good answer I'd like to hear it.
Bane of Broone: DarwiOdrade:On the other hand, why can't we have nicer schools? Do we value our children and their education so little?Because we cant disenfranchise the job creators and unfortunately it seems like we do unless we loan them the money for their education. Then it is valued VERY highly at 3.75% interest
Somacandra: FTFA: They said holding school events in church buildings is common around the country, and they argue that the mere presence of religious symbols does not "establish" an official religion.[i.imgur.com image 492x348]Like a source in TFA said, the Becket people would totally lose their shiat if it was held in a mosque, a temple, a gurdwara or synagogue Try rotating the religious buildings used and see if everyone is really cool with it. Its greater Milwaukee--so there are plenty of other options. Not to mention a local park or civil auditorium.
cman: School should have known better although I really doubt their intentions were to force people into praising Jesus.
Nabb1: If the church and the school agreed I can't imagine why it would make the news, but then there is no shortage of hypersensitive ninnies out there who have to complain about everything.
remus: I'm left wondering if they could have just hung some curtains up to conceal the church symbols. I've seen events held at various locations where they used a lot of fabrics to cover up the walls, etc. and hide the underlying facility.
maxalt: I still wonder what 1st amendment was supposed to mean.. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. No law means leave the people alone, but the Supreme court cried in their collective beers because people were worshiping G*D and not the state.
Peter von Nostrand: So it's in good enough shape to educate kids but not enough for a ceremony. Ok, got it
TwoHead: Many many years ago, when the earth was still cooling and the moons orbit had yet to stabilize, I graduated from a Wisconsin HS that had no AC in the gymnasium. Despite stifling heat and humidity up on the stage and the beers we drank in the park before the ceremony, we somehow survived the event.Maybe these folks should stop being such wusses.
Saborlas: "Hey, lets make sure our gym is never suitable for graduation ceremonies! Then we can have them in a church, so we can put the unbelievers in their place!"
CruiserTwelve: My high school graduation was held in a Catholic church with Jesus prayers and a Catholic priest officiating, and nobody complained about it./maybe because it was a Catholic high school.
Uranus Megahertz: Rent the church gym, keep the religion out of it. Sure I'm fine with it.
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