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(The Smoking Gun)   There's a reason Charles Ramsey was quick to think he was hearing a "domestic violence" situation next door. He's familiar with that issue   (thesmokinggun.com) divider line
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2013-05-09 12:09:24 AM  
18 votes:
I'd like to suggest, with complete seriousness, that if you're the type of person who, within 2 days of a story like this breaking, has as his main inclination the desire to dig up whatever dirt you can find on the one "hero" who's emerged in the hopes of driving page views to your voyeur website, or if you willingly work for such a person, you should take a long, hard look at your life, have a shot of whisky, and shoot yourself in the head. Please. Do that.
 
2013-05-08 9:18:37 PM  
8 votes:
Negates any attempt to help those three young ladies then.  Put 'em back in the custody of the crazy rapist until we can find someone suitable to rescue them!

/I bet he masturbates, too
 
2013-05-08 9:50:17 PM  
6 votes:
Why tear down a man that does the right thing. 80% of Americans would have not wanted to get involved and walked away. He does the right thing and TMZ wants to turn him into a villain  I don't give a damn about his past or his looks, his character seems just fine.
 
2013-05-09 6:58:34 AM  
3 votes:
He kicked in the door and let her use his phone. He's not on trial or running for office so why does anyone give a shiat about his past?
 
2013-05-08 11:24:29 PM  
3 votes:

Hoban Washburne: mikeray: 80% of Americans would have not wanted to get involved and walked away.

You really think so? Jesus Christ.  I hope you're nowhere close to right.


He's wrong

/probably closer to 90%
 
2013-05-09 7:44:03 AM  
2 votes:
Well, from the video you could tell he's no stranger to the police siren. When that thing goes off, you could see the 'oh shiat' look on his face as he ducks and looks around.

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"One good deed doesn't redeem a man of a lifetime of wickedness"

/In all seriousness, let the poor man be.
 
2013-05-09 7:03:33 AM  
2 votes:
I can't believe the amount of crap the internet is heaping on Ramsey here.

Doesn't anyone remember the words of Kai?

No matter what you've done, you deserve respect. Even if you make mistakes, you lovable. And it doesn't matter your looks, skills, or age, your size or anything - you're worthwhile. No one can ever take that away from you.
 
2013-05-09 6:36:16 AM  
2 votes:
Uh, why do we care about his past? Are we collectively unable to deal with moral ambiguity? Do we need a running karma score like a real world version of Fallout 3?  Sorry, sir, your karma isn't high enough to give credit where its due.

He did the right thing at that moment, end of story.
 
2013-05-09 5:20:56 AM  
2 votes:
fark you, Fark. Just because Smoking Gun did it, you're going to promote this character assassination, too?
 
2013-05-09 4:49:33 AM  
2 votes:

Pocket Ninja: I'd like to suggest, with complete seriousness, that if you're the type of person who, within 2 days of a story like this breaking, has as his main inclination the desire to dig up whatever dirt you can find on the one "hero" who's emerged in the hopes of driving page views to your voyeur website, or if you willingly work for such a person, you should take a long, hard look at your life, have a shot of whisky, and shoot yourself in the head. Please. Do that.


And I would say above also goes for submittard and the mod who greenlighted this bullshiat.
 
2013-05-09 4:31:38 AM  
2 votes:
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Besides, maybe this is a bit of redemption?
 
2013-05-09 4:25:55 AM  
2 votes:
And with that I'm done with the Smoking Gun. No reason to try to destroy a human being that just rescued a handful of hostages and gave them his reward money.
 
2013-05-09 2:11:39 AM  
2 votes:
What I like is that, despite the spotlight and the attention it will undoubtedly bring to his past, he unabashedly takes ownership of what he stands for now.
 
2013-05-09 12:08:30 AM  
2 votes:
Joan Walsh at Salon actually has a pretty cogent article about why he's still a hero even if he beat up a few women.

Sometimes she misses the mark, but she's on point here.  At least until she biatches about Chris Brown.
 
2013-05-09 12:05:21 AM  
2 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Hoban Washburne: I have a semi-struggle with misanthropy, and I still think humans are way better than that.  I can't imagine if a woman in my neighborhood was screaming for help that I wouldn't at the very least call 911.  That doesn't change the fact that this guy did the right thing.  Nor do his past issues with domestic violence.

First, you're right: this guy's past is completely, totally, and absolutely irrelevant. What he did in this situation is all that matters. That is f*cking all.

/as to the misanthropy, I am old, cynical, and bitter, because in my youth I hoped humans could be more than they appear to be
//I have been far too often disappointed
///once saw 30-40 people standing around watching 3 men try to pull another man out of a burning car and not one tried to help


We, as a culture have conditioned ourselves to eat our hero's

Why?  Because for the most part we like to think of ourselves as better than we are, but at the end of the day, we are all cowards. And when one of us steps up to the bat when it's really really, needed, we will celebrate the act, but then do all we can to break that person back down to our level. because it equalizes us.. we want those faults, because, at the end of the day, we like to think that, if we were put into a similar situation, we also, faults and all, could also act with those Heroics.

Also... Haters gonna hate.

I myself, wake up every morning, turn off my alarm and get a stretch and yawn in and have to start shaking haters off. It's like a job I can't get a break from because haters never take a vacation.
 
2013-05-08 11:33:59 PM  
2 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Hoban Washburne: mikeray: 80% of Americans would have not wanted to get involved and walked away.

You really think so? Jesus Christ.  I hope you're nowhere close to right.

He's wrong

/probably closer to 90%


I have a semi-struggle with misanthropy, and I still think humans are way better than that.  I can't imagine if a woman in my neighborhood was screaming for help that I wouldn't at the very least call 911.  That doesn't change the fact that this guy did the right thing.  Nor do his past issues with domestic violence.
 
2013-05-08 9:49:33 PM  
2 votes:
Because people never change, right Subby? He couldn't possibly regret the way he used to act.
 
2013-05-09 1:14:54 PM  
1 vote:
I still think he has more integrity than Sylvia Browne.

Guy's is (or was) a chronic screw-up, so what. He did the right thing in this case.
 
2013-05-09 10:54:44 AM  
1 vote:
The most unbelievable part of the note is where he puts blame on the victims for getting into his car on the day he abducted them.

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2013-05-09 10:46:25 AM  
1 vote:
Fark you, Smoking Gun. This guy could have been Ike Turner but ALL SINS FORGIVEN if he did what this guy did this week.
 
2013-05-09 10:43:20 AM  
1 vote:
huh. Ramsey knew a year ago there was something "WRONG with that house." But his neighbor told him to 'just leave it alone', so he did... (round 1:25)
http://video.heraldsun.com.au/2383721221/Neighbour-finds-missing-gir l- Amanda-Berry
 
2013-05-09 9:56:54 AM  
1 vote:

muck4doo: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7741909/84105301#c84105301" target="_blank">BarkingUnicorn</a>:</b> <i>muck4doo: BinderWoman: Nakedmanjoe: Who is this lying scum trying to take credit for what Charles did?  http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1338192

This.
I saw Angel Cordero being interviewed last night by CNN's Maria Santana. He has a lot more specifics on how he broke down the door & got Amanda & her daughter out. Maria said the woman who lives across the street told her Charles Ramsey is a liar.

I can't believe this is even going to start.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!! I'm  gonna laugh my lungs out if Ramsey's busted!</i>

By the way, any recordings of Cordero calling 911? I haven't heard one.


The guy that let the girl use the phone said both dudes were there helping. so that's all that really matters I guess. I'm not sure who or what to believe on the exact events. Both did good that day.
 
2013-05-09 9:46:23 AM  
1 vote:

Revek: Yeah not a perfect person.  Who would have guessed?  Perhaps the chick wouldn't let him leave or wouldn't let him just cool off.  Maybe she stood in front of the door telling him McDonald sucked ass.  You were not there so you can't really... know.  and?


When I was in the FL Guard, we were just finishing fueling up our vehicles at a gas station, when this car comes swerving into the parking lot. As it got closer, I could see a guy was driving (trying to, anyways) while a woman was yelling and beating him. Car skids to a halt, the guy gets out, slams the door, and starts to walk off like he's just gonna go down the road. The woman rolls down the window and yells something at him. He stops, comes back, open the door, yells something back, slams the door, and goes to walk away. Again, she yells something at him, he goes back yells something back to her, slams the door and walks away. She yells something at him a third time, and he walks to the car, opens the door and *pow* *pow* *pow*! punches her right in the farking eye socket. Now we're all just standing around, and I say to my Platoon Sergeant, "He we gotta do something about this, and start to walk over there. I get a few steps and look back to see no one is following me. I just look at him, and he shakes his head and says "uh-uh. Nope. Want nothing to do with that." I think about it for a second, and figure she had it coming. Hell, he tried to walk away three times.

When I was in Korea, I was just walking down the street and there was this older Korean couple (50?) in front of us. The man says something to the woman, the woman says something back, and *BAM* he just lays her the fark out right on the street. She's now down on the ground, and he's now giving her a rib massage with his shoes. Me and my buddy look at each other and he's like "Fark this guy! Let's stop this!" And I say yeah, and we start to go up to him when I notice something. like 14 other old korean men sitting around on steps and benches just watching. I grab my buddy, and say "You see all those Korean dudes watching like this is normal? What do you think will happen if we get involved with this?" He looks and says "Probably nothing good." Well we still had the problem of the lady on the sidewalk blocking our way. So I had to step over her (with a polite 'excuse me') as her husband was kicking her ass. Not my proudest moment in life. But it was better than getting my as handed to me by 14 other korean dudes and being the one that wound up in a Korean jail for fighting.
 
2013-05-09 7:59:30 AM  
1 vote:
he was perfect when we needed him to be
 
2013-05-09 7:50:28 AM  
1 vote:
Because Lord knows you're not allowed to do anything good unless you've lived a perfect and blameless life.
 
2013-05-09 7:44:24 AM  
1 vote:
Congrats on the greenlight, Fred Phelps
 
2013-05-09 7:15:29 AM  
1 vote:
http://www.fark.com/comments/7738253/84057468#c84057468

I would never endorse violence, especially in the home but this guy seems to have turned his life around. If it comes out that he did more than reported then revisit it. From all indication though he made mistakes, he paid his price and he has changed.

He just announced that he is taking his talents and moving to south beach.
 
2013-05-09 7:08:54 AM  
1 vote:
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2013-05-09 7:04:54 AM  
1 vote:

Hoban Washburne: Also, I'd point to things like the marathon runners in Boston who instantly ran to the hospital to give blood as examples of how good people can be.


Anyone run background checks on them. Probably a bunch of criminals with records in there.
 
2013-05-09 6:51:12 AM  
1 vote:
I guess now we know why Batman wears a cowl.

I can see the headlines now:
*** Local "Hero" Bruce Wayne once attended a fundraising dinner with renowned terrorist and musical abomination Celine Dion!***
 
2013-05-09 6:06:12 AM  
1 vote:

BarkingUnicorn: Mr. Ramsey's white knights probably don't realize they're thinking like certain breeds of Christians.  You can abuse your women and neglect your kids, but once you do The Right Thing all is forgiven and the keys to the Kingdom are yours.

What Ramsey did for these women is an immutable fact and my appreciation of it is unchanged.  My opinion of who he is has been lowered by this new information.


Okay, you win for stupidest post. That will be hard to top.
 
2013-05-09 6:04:01 AM  
1 vote:

robohobo: muck4doo: robohobo: muck4doo: Why get involved? Do something heroic, and smokinggun, Fark, and the rest of the shiatbags will bring you into the spotlight, then work their best to bring you down. Go fark off smokinggun. How does it feel feel to live off on peoples ruined lives? That is exactly what they do, and it makes me disgusted Fark feeds on that like a bunch of eels feeding on a horse head. It's not like they just go after people who do horrific crimes, they try to dig up dirt on people who do good as well. If you aren't disgusted yet, you should be. Go eat your eels Drew.

Oh c'mon, the Mugshot Round-up is comic gold. Those people made their choices.

Also, you're still here, cocksmoker.

When the mugshot roundup features people who helped rescue kidnap victims, let me know. Until then keep being a douche.

Sure thing, Katie.

And if (when) it comes out that this guy is lying, what then?


That's what you were looking for. If/when. You have already presumed him guilty of something. Who made the phone calls? Why can't you accept he did something right, and heroic? Instead you try to bring him down. Why is that? What makes you presume he is lying?
 
2013-05-09 6:03:58 AM  
1 vote:
Mr. Ramsey's white knights probably don't realize they're thinking like certain breeds of Christians.  You can abuse your women and neglect your kids, but once you do The Right Thing all is forgiven and the keys to the Kingdom are yours.

What Ramsey did for these women is an immutable fact and my appreciation of it is unchanged.  My opinion of who he is has been lowered by this new information.
 
2013-05-09 6:03:11 AM  
1 vote:

mikeray: Why tear down a man that does the right thing. 80% of Americans would have not wanted to get involved and walked away. He does the right thing and TMZ wants to turn him into a villain


Because black guy.
 
2013-05-09 5:44:54 AM  
1 vote:
Why get involved? Do something heroic, and smokinggun, Fark, and the rest of the shiatbags will bring you into the spotlight, then work their best to bring you down. Go fark off smokinggun. How does it feel feel to live off on peoples ruined lives? That is exactly what they do, and it makes me disgusted Fark feeds on that like a bunch of eels feeding on a horse head. It's not like they just go after people who do horrific crimes, they try to dig up dirt on people who do good as well. If you aren't disgusted yet, you should be. Go eat your eels Drew.
 
2013-05-09 5:35:46 AM  
1 vote:
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2013-05-09 5:34:45 AM  
1 vote:
This just in, person who is capable of bad deeds can also do good deeds and vice versa.

Neither dissolves the other unless they're directly related, but you can be known for either or neither at different points in time.
 
2013-05-09 5:33:43 AM  
1 vote:

planes: Charles Ramsey was interviewed by Anderson Cooper, turns out there was reward money offered by the FBI for two of the women, Ramsey told them to "give it to the victims", he'd just picked up his paycheck (showed envelope to Cooper) and he didn't need the money.


I guess he's forgotten that court-ordered child support, or maybe he hasn't.

It's interesting that a man can fark up once in his life and people will condemn him to eternal torment, but a habitual farkup  who does one heroic thing is forgiven everything and bought a virtual round of beer.
 
2013-05-09 5:16:39 AM  
1 vote:

planes: Charles Ramsey was interviewed by Anderson Cooper, turns out there was reward money offered by the FBI for two of the women, Ramsey told them to "give it to the victims", he'd just picked up his paycheck (showed envelope to Cooper) and he didn't need the money.


He's a good man, and I'm disgusted people are trying to tear the guy down.
 
2013-05-09 4:50:07 AM  
1 vote:

Pocket Ninja: I'd like to suggest, with complete seriousness, that if you're the type of person who, within 2 days of a story like this breaking, has as his main inclination the desire to dig up whatever dirt you can find on the one "hero" who's emerged in the hopes of driving page views to your voyeur website, or if you willingly work for such a person, you should take a long, hard look at your life, have a shot of whisky, and shoot yourself in the head. Please. Do that.


I bet you know that you rule. If not, you surpass rulinng or being the rulesiest; you shoot straight to the top and earn the coveted Rulesiest GT, sir!
 
2013-05-09 4:43:41 AM  
1 vote:
He's not bad-looking without the stupid hair.

/because we're discussing things about him that are irrelevant to his helping people in need.
 
2013-05-09 4:33:33 AM  
1 vote:
Charles Ramsey can't escape from the prison this society has created for him. How ironic is that.

Tell me what has become of my rights
Am I invisible because you ignore me?
Your proclamation promised me free liberty, now
I'm tired of bein' the victim of shame
They're throwing me in a class with a bad name
I can't believe this is the land from which I came

- Michael Jackson
 
2013-05-09 1:03:03 AM  
1 vote:
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2013-05-09 12:45:32 AM  
1 vote:

calbert: so Charles Ramsey steps up and does something good and the cockroaches line up to vilify him.

It's like 2012 and George Zimmerman all over again.


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2013-05-09 12:30:39 AM  
1 vote:
so Charles Ramsey steps up and does something good and the cockroaches line up to vilify him.

It's like 2012 and George Zimmerman all over again.
 
2013-05-09 12:09:23 AM  
1 vote:
Looks like he kept his nose clean for ten years, maybe he quit drinking or found Jesus. On the other hand he hasn't paid is $51/mo child support so, no hero tag for him.

Bet he still gets laid.
 
2013-05-08 11:59:08 PM  
1 vote:
Also, I'd point to things like the marathon runners in Boston who instantly ran to the hospital to give blood as examples of how good people can be.  We can disagree on a lot of things as a society, but when the shiat hits the fan, I like to think that we take care of our own.  I might think half of those runners were coonts if I knew them personally, but they did a great thing to help people.  That gives me hope for goodness in humanity.
 
2013-05-08 11:45:45 PM  
1 vote:
BFD. Mr Ramsey is no less a hero in my eyes.
 
2013-05-08 10:45:16 PM  
1 vote:
He should run for Congress.
 
2013-05-08 9:01:14 PM  
1 vote:
Yeah not a perfect person.  Who would have guessed?  Perhaps the chick wouldn't let him leave or wouldn't let him just cool off.  Maybe she stood in front of the door telling him McDonald sucked ass.  You were not there so you can't really... know.  and?
 
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