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(The Smoking Gun)   There's a reason Charles Ramsey was quick to think he was hearing a "domestic violence" situation next door. He's familiar with that issue   (thesmokinggun.com) divider line
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2013-05-09 7:39:01 AM  

Bandito King: The reason he is a hero is because any sensible person would realize that if you let yourself become "known" to society at large, this is the end result. Someone makes it their mission to dig up anything they can and take a shiat all over you. That's why most people would have just kept walking, helping other people often means setting yourself up to be a target of douchenozzles. Case in point: subby/TMZ.

The fact that nearly every single comment on this thread has been along the lines of, "So farking what, he's a good guy TODAY," makes me super happy.

If you can't grasp that, take Pocket Ninja's advice. The rest of us won't miss you.


Don't bother. You are trying to explain inner life city to a bunch of sub-urban adults. They are convinced they are hard-core.
 
2013-05-09 7:39:02 AM  
It's a dead giveaway when a pretty little white girl runs into a black man's fist.

Dead giveaway.
 
2013-05-09 7:41:32 AM  

Phletchengreuber: It's a dead giveaway when a pretty little white girl runs into a black man's fist.

Dead giveaway.


LOL!  Where you been all this thread?
 
2013-05-09 7:44:03 AM  
Well, from the video you could tell he's no stranger to the police siren. When that thing goes off, you could see the 'oh shiat' look on his face as he ducks and looks around.

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"One good deed doesn't redeem a man of a lifetime of wickedness"

/In all seriousness, let the poor man be.
 
2013-05-09 7:44:24 AM  
Congrats on the greenlight, Fred Phelps
 
2013-05-09 7:45:13 AM  

MythDragon: Well, from the video you could tell he's no stranger to the police siren. When that thing goes off, you could see the 'oh shiat' look on his face as he ducks and looks around.

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"One good deed doesn't redeem a man of a lifetime of wickedness"

/In all seriousness, let the poor man be.


Yes.  That's the last thing he wants.
 
2013-05-09 7:50:28 AM  
Because Lord knows you're not allowed to do anything good unless you've lived a perfect and blameless life.
 
2013-05-09 7:53:53 AM  
lots of people have skeletons in their pasts. leave the poor guy alone. he rescued 3 missing women. how many of you would have acted as bravely?
 
2013-05-09 7:54:25 AM  
I wonder if a certain fast food chain didn't want to give a certain person free food and paid for this piece to come to light. They now high-five each other for getting tons of publicity for free at no cost.
 
2013-05-09 7:55:43 AM  
So, his ex was a cray cray abusive screamer who when confronted with a calm partner who wouldn't take the bait, threw herself down the stairs after hangup dialing 911?
 
2013-05-09 7:56:19 AM  
TSG must need page clicks
 
2013-05-09 7:56:21 AM  
He's done some good things and some bad things in his life.  That shouldn't make you uncomfortable.
 
2013-05-09 7:57:51 AM  
BarkingUnicorn:

I think he just enjoys playing Big Man and running his mouth to get applause.

Whereas you are willing to say what needs to be said without receiving applause. Self-satisfied party pooper.
 
2013-05-09 7:59:23 AM  

Pocket Ninja: I'd like to suggest, with complete seriousness, that if you're the type of person who, within 2 days of a story like this breaking, has as his main inclination the desire to dig up whatever dirt you can find on the one "hero" who's emerged in the hopes of driving page views to your voyeur website, or if you willingly work for such a person, you should take a long, hard look at your life, have a shot of whisky, and shoot yourself in the head. Please. Do that.


A+, will read newsletter.
 
2013-05-09 7:59:30 AM  
he was perfect when we needed him to be
 
2013-05-09 8:00:21 AM  
No good deed goes unpunished.
 
2013-05-09 8:01:35 AM  

The Muthaship: He's done some good things and some bad things in his life.  That shouldn't make you uncomfortable.


In reality I bet every brah in that area has had a rough life or past problems. I doubt there was a hero nearby with a squeaky clean record.
 
2013-05-09 8:01:48 AM  
Pretty low blow, Smoking Gun.

TFA says he apologized to his ex for what he did to her and he DID save the girls; so yeah he might've been a FU at one point in his life, but he seems to have turned it around.
 
2013-05-09 8:04:10 AM  

mxyzplk: Because Lord knows you're not allowed to do anything good unless you've lived a perfect and blameless life.


It's the smokinggun.com religion.
 
2013-05-09 8:04:41 AM  
The moment I saw his interview I KNEW that people would be racing to find dirt on him. Didn't take long.
 
2013-05-09 8:05:21 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Here's the thing, in America we're supposed to adhere to the idea that a person can screw up, more than once even, and turn their life around. And if they do turn their life around, that, not what was before, is what counts. I'd say in this case we have exactly that. That Ramsey screwed up in the past says nothing about what he did the other day nor about him now.


This, in a nutshell.

whether he's rehabilitated or not who cares? at leas the helped some long-term kidnapped kids get free.
 
2013-05-09 8:07:16 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: chuggernaught: BarkingUnicorn: planes: Charles Ramsey was interviewed by Anderson Cooper, turns out there was reward money offered by the FBI for two of the women, Ramsey told them to "give it to the victims", he'd just picked up his paycheck (showed envelope to Cooper) and he didn't need the money.

I guess he's forgotten that court-ordered child support, or maybe he hasn't.

It's interesting that a man can fark up once in his life and people will condemn him to eternal torment, but a habitual farkup  who does one heroic thing is forgiven everything and bought a virtual round of beer.

He didn't do an heroic thing.  He did an awesomely heroic thing and saved three women and a child from Hell on Earth!  So yes, he deserves a round or two.

/This just in:  Pobody's nerfect.

I notice you  glossed over the "forgiven everything" part.  I'm fascinated by the Christian nuances of the views in this thread.  A good person can go to Hell for a single mortal sin.  A bad person can go to Heaven with a single repentance.

Actually, that's a Catholic thing.  Others believe that you can do damned near any evil as long as you believe that Jesus is your Savior, but that failing to believe so guarantees eternal fire even if you cure cancer.


And that has what to do with the news story?  You seem to be struggling to understand the Christian faith.  I suggest you seek answers elsewhere, you will not find good information here regarding that area of study.
 
2013-05-09 8:11:36 AM  
No matter what, we have to keep our good opinion of Ramsey because it makes us feel good.  We're totally self-centered.

NTTAWWT.
 
2013-05-09 8:16:38 AM  
So even fark had to get in on the fark what that guy just did bandwagon here's his dirty laundry? Why would you participate in this? Oh of course, no clicks no pay. There is no level fark won't sink to. Good to know I can rely on that.
 
2013-05-09 8:16:57 AM  
Had Ramsey hesitated or delayed responding, even for five minutes, Castro could have returned from McDonald's and these women and a 6-year old would have been reconsigned to their living hell, perhaps for the rest of their captor's life. He gets a pass from me regardless of his criminal past.
 
2013-05-09 8:17:11 AM  
chuggernaught: BarkingUnicorn:   I'm fascinated by the Christian nuances of the views in this thread.  A good person can go to Hell for a single mortal sin.  A bad person can go to Heaven with a single repentance.

Actually, that's a Catholic thing.  Others believe that you can do damned near any evil as long as you believe that Jesus is your Savior, but that failing to believe so guarantees eternal fire even if you cure cancer.

And that has what to do with the news story?  You seem to be struggling to understand the Christian faith.  I suggest you seek answers elsewhere, you will not find good information here regarding that area of study.


Which news story:  the hero story or the farkup story?  I'm interested in the cognitive dissonance engendered by the two, and how most people in this thread resolve it by ignoring the one that doesn't make them feel better.  I'm fascinated to note that Christians do the same thing.
 
2013-05-09 8:18:51 AM  

Revek: Yeah not a perfect person.  Who would have guessed?  Perhaps the chick wouldn't let him leave or wouldn't let him just cool off.  Maybe she stood in front of the door telling him McDonald sucked ass.  You were not there so you can't really... know.  and?


Unless Cleveland PD deals w/ domestic violence fundamentally differently than almost everywhere else, if you end up serving time for domestic violence, you almost certainly did something completely beyond the pale. He almost certainly got what he deserved.

That said, I'm strong believer that people can change, and he's still a hero no matter what he did in the past.
 
2013-05-09 8:19:28 AM  
Maybe he changed, the new hope program does work sometimes.
 
2013-05-09 8:20:35 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: No matter what, we have to keep our good opinion of Ramsey because it makes us feel good.  We're totally self-centered.

NTTAWWT.


It's pretty difficult to get a nuanced look at a man's complete life, with all of its rights and wrongs, in a minute of sound bites. Also he referenced McDonalds a lot, which is funny.
 
2013-05-09 8:27:55 AM  
But did he pay for the Heinekens?
 
2013-05-09 8:29:25 AM  
Why do we need an opinion on the mans life at all? Why can't we just sincerely appreciate what he did and leave it at that? I don't see any recipients of the Audie murphy award turning it down and he was a wife beater.
 
2013-05-09 8:29:48 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: BarkingUnicorn: No matter what, we have to keep our good opinion of Ramsey because it makes us feel good.  We're totally self-centered.

NTTAWWT.

It's pretty difficult to get a nuanced look at a man's complete life, with all of its rights and wrongs, in a minute of sound bites. Also he referenced McDonalds a lot, which is funny.


You're supposed to feel like a racist POS for thinking that.

See?  Everyone hates buzz-killers. The one's who call "racism" and the ones who call "wife-beater."  It's not because the buzz-killers are wrong, but because they kill the buzz.
 
2013-05-09 8:36:00 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7741909/84103829#c84103829" target="_blank">chuggernaught</a>:</b> BarkingUnicorn:   <i>
And that has what to do with the news story?  You seem to be struggling to understand the Christian faith.  I suggest you seek answers elsewhere, you will not find good information here regarding that area of study.</i>

Which news story:  the hero story or the farkup story?  I'm interested in the cognitive dissonance engendered by the two, and how most people in this thread resolve it by ignoring the one that doesn't make them feel better.  I'm fascinated to note that Christians do the same thing.


I wouldn't go that far.  I think most people feel that this story is out of place and his past problems have nothing to do with what happen that day.
 
2013-05-09 8:37:49 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: BarkingUnicorn: No matter what, we have to keep our good opinion of Ramsey because it makes us feel good.  We're totally self-centered.

NTTAWWT.

It's pretty difficult to get a nuanced look at a man's complete life, with all of its rights and wrongs, in a minute of sound bites. Also he referenced McDonalds a lot, which is funny.


...and now its songified: Link
 
2013-05-09 8:39:11 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: BarkingUnicorn: No matter what, we have to keep our good opinion of Ramsey because it makes us feel good.  We're totally self-centered.

NTTAWWT.

It's pretty difficult to get a nuanced look at a man's complete life, with all of its rights and wrongs, in a minute of sound bites. Also he referenced McDonalds a lot, which is funny.

You're supposed to feel like a racist POS for thinking that.

See?  Everyone hates buzz-killers. The one's who call "racism" and the ones who call "wife-beater."  It's not because the buzz-killers are wrong, but because they kill the buzz.


That's probably part of it. Some people just like to sling shiat though.
 
2013-05-09 8:40:18 AM  

Theory Of Null: BarkingUnicorn: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7741909/84103829#c84103829" target="_blank">chuggernaught</a>:</b> BarkingUnicorn:   <i>
And that has what to do with the news story?  You seem to be struggling to understand the Christian faith.  I suggest you seek answers elsewhere, you will not find good information here regarding that area of study.</i>

Which news story:  the hero story or the farkup story?  I'm interested in the cognitive dissonance engendered by the two, and how most people in this thread resolve it by ignoring the one that doesn't make them feel better.  I'm fascinated to note that Christians do the same thing.

I wouldn't go that far.  I think most people feel that this story is out of place and his past problems have nothing to do with what happen that day.


LOL!  That is exactly what I said most people are "feeling."  Only it's not feeling; its rationalizing away the uncomfortable feeling that arises when reality conflicts with what you believe.  That's cognitive dissonance.

"When faced with the choice of changing their minds or proving that it is unnecessary to do so, most people immediately get busy on the proof."  John K. Galbraith.
 
2013-05-09 8:48:51 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7741909/84104200#c84104200" target="_blank">Theory Of Null</a>:</b> <i>BarkingUnicorn: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7741909/84103829#c84103829" target="_blank">chuggernaught</a>:</b> BarkingUnicorn:   <i>
And that has what to do with the news story?  You seem to be struggling to understand the Christian faith.  I suggest you seek answers elsewhere, you will not find good information here regarding that area of study.</i>

Which news story:  the hero story or the farkup story?  I'm interested in the cognitive dissonance engendered by the two, and how most people in this thread resolve it by ignoring the one that doesn't make them feel better.  I'm fascinated to note that Christians do the same thing.

I wouldn't go that far.  I think most people feel that this story is out of place and his past problems have nothing to do with what happen that day.</i>

LOL!  That is exactly what I said most people are "feeling."  Only it's not feeling; its rationalizing away the uncomfortable feeling that arises when reality conflicts with what you believe.  That's cognitive dissonance.

"When faced with the choice of changing their minds or proving that it is unnecessary to do so, most people immediately get busy on the proof."  John K. Galbraith.


I see what you're saying, but do we really need a full biography on everyone that was there that day? How deep should they go? What about the guy that let her use his phone?
 
2013-05-09 8:48:57 AM  
This whole thread could have been avoided if we refrained from judging character by actions.

There are no heroes in the sense of "good guys."  There are only heroic acts.

There are no villains in the sense of "bad guys."  There are only villainous acts.

But then we'd miss all the fun of scorning and admiring other people.  Gotta make ourselves feel good.
 
2013-05-09 8:52:48 AM  

Hoban Washburne: mikeray: 80% of Americans would have not wanted to get involved and walked away.

You really think so? Jesus Christ.  I hope you're nowhere close to right.


Ever hear of Kitty Genovese?
 
2013-05-09 8:54:15 AM  

Theory Of Null: BarkingUnicorn: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7741909/84104200#c84104200" target="_blank">Theory Of Null</a>:</b> <i>BarkingUnicorn: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7741909/84103829#c84103829" target="_blank">chuggernaught</a>:</b> BarkingUnicorn:   <i>
And that has what to do with the news story?  You seem to be struggling to understand the Christian faith.  I suggest you seek answers elsewhere, you will not find good information here regarding that area of study.</i>

Which news story:  the hero story or the farkup story?  I'm interested in the cognitive dissonance engendered by the two, and how most people in this thread resolve it by ignoring the one that doesn't make them feel better.  I'm fascinated to note that Christians do the same thing.

I wouldn't go that far.  I think most people feel that this story is out of place and his past problems have nothing to do with what happen that day.</i>

LOL!  That is exactly what I said most people are "feeling."  Only it's not feeling; its rationalizing away the uncomfortable feeling that arises when reality conflicts with what you believe.  That's cognitive dissonance.

"When faced with the choice of changing their minds or proving that it is unnecessary to do so, most people immediately get busy on the proof."  John K. Galbraith.

I see what you're saying, but do we really need a full biography on everyone that was there that day? How deep should they go? What about the guy that let her use his phone?


Do you really need more than one chapter of a book, or one episode of "Game of Thrones?"  There are many more lessons to be learned from Ramsey's life than just, "If you hear women screaming, help."  That may not even be the most important lesson to be learned from his life, although it's the one that makes people feel best.

Yeah, I'd like to know more about phone lender.  Might be something I can use in there.
 
2013-05-09 9:01:53 AM  

AugustWest: Hoban Washburne: mikeray: 80% of Americans would have not wanted to get involved and walked away.

You really think so? Jesus Christ.  I hope you're nowhere close to right.

Ever hear of Kitty Genovese?


Another morality tale.  Everyone who didn't help her was a hero conveying the tale's moral lesson:  "People who don't help are assholes."  And everyone who thought, "I'd never be such an asshole" felt better.
 
2013-05-09 9:04:14 AM  
Shoot, Charles Ramsey was a wife beater, I guess haul those women back to the house and chain them backup, they'll have to wait for a neighbor that can pass a background check to rescue them.
 
2013-05-09 9:06:15 AM  

dennysgod: Shoot, Charles Ramsey was a wife beater, I guess haul those women back to the house and chain them backup, they'll have to wait for a neighbor that can pass a background check to rescue them.


They probably yelled for him because he had a reputation as a better beater than their captors.

/facetiousness is fun but takes more typing
 
2013-05-09 9:06:18 AM  
His past is not germane to the present story.
 
2013-05-09 9:07:38 AM  
Yesterday morning I was just beginning to skim the first page of court records for "Charles Ramsey" when I stopped, said "I don't want to know" and closed my browser.
 
2013-05-09 9:11:28 AM  
Who is this lying scum trying to take credit for what Charles did?  http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1338192
 
2013-05-09 9:21:07 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Hoban Washburne: I have a semi-struggle with misanthropy, and I still think humans are way better than that.  I can't imagine if a woman in my neighborhood was screaming for help that I wouldn't at the very least call 911.  That doesn't change the fact that this guy did the right thing.  Nor do his past issues with domestic violence.

First, you're right: this guy's past is completely, totally, and absolutely irrelevant. What he did in this situation is all that matters. That is f*cking all.

/as to the misanthropy, I am old, cynical, and bitter, because in my youth I hoped humans could be more than they appear to be
//I have been far too often disappointed
///once saw 30-40 people standing around watching 3 men try to pull another man out of a burning car and not one tried to help


Too many cooks, etc.
 
2013-05-09 9:23:00 AM  
CNN was doing this yesterday. Who farking cares? It's not like he's running for office. Let him have his 15 minutes.
 
2013-05-09 9:25:00 AM  
Even pieces of sh*t can do the right thing from time to time.

I'm so happy he was there to help them. I'm thrilled he's giving his award money to the victims. He was a hero in this situation.

My ex did wonderful things for me from time to time. But, he's still an abusive piece of shiat.
 
2013-05-09 9:25:46 AM  

Nakedmanjoe: Who is this lying scum trying to take credit for what Charles did?  http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1338192


This.
I saw Angel Cordero being interviewed last night by CNN's Maria Santana. He has a lot more specifics on how he broke down the door & got Amanda & her daughter out. Maria said the woman who lives across the street told her Charles Ramsey is a liar.
 
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