The Muthaship: Felony murder.
sentex: Wrong. Felony Murder Rule
Lenny_da_Hog: PC LOAD LETTER: Trained professionals miss, so we should continue arming everyone so we rely on the trained professionals, right?Trained to do what? Panic, close your eyes, and pull the trigger until the "bang" noise stops happening?
2 grams: rwfan: Theaetetus:[www.bellenews.com image 634x843]Those aren't barnacles.Asian Longhorn Beatles?[hyg.ipm.illinois.edu image 550x405]While it's my understanding the cops did indeed fire that night, what you're seeing in that picture are not bullett holes. Ditto on the beatles.
Wolf_Blitzer: Your average idiot on the street, without even that modicum of required training and range time, is about a hundred times worse.
Aarontology: Huh. I wasn't aware of that you can be charged for when someone else shoots someone.Fascinating.
Aarontology: The Muthaship: Aarontology: Don't worry. They'll still be charged with shooting that cop.Yep. As he should be.Not if he wasn't the one who actually shot the cop, he shouldn't.
Wolf_Blitzer: monoski: Wolf_Blitzer: monoski: Theaetetus: VegasVinnie: another 200 rounds shot at a boat (on land and not really moving very fast)On the contrary... At roughly 41 degrees N, that boat was moving about 785 miles per hour. Frankly, it's impressive that they were able to get off 200 rounds while it was in range.Not to mention 200 rounds fired at an unarmed suspect.That was from the earlier gunfight, the one where Tamerlan Tsarnaev died, where they most definitely were armed.Look it up, the reports are clear he was pulled from the boat unarmed. Being armed earlier in the evening does not constitute being armed when arrested.Yes he was pulled from the boat unarmed, but I haven't read anything credible saying the boat was fired upon when he was apprehended. Just some eyewitness reports of gunshots which were probably the flashbangs the police used. If someone knows otherwise please show me.
VegasVinnie: another 200 rounds shot at a boat (on land and not really moving very fast)
The Muthaship: Aarontology: Don't worry. They'll still be charged with shooting that cop.Yep. As he should be.
Aarontology: Don't worry. They'll still be charged with shooting that cop.
Theaetetus: Additionally, one cop killing another cop isn't felony murder in some states that require agency or the killing to be in furtherance of the crime. It is in other states where any proximately caused death counts.
insano: kim jong-un: insano: Aarontology: Huh. I wasn't aware of that you can be charged for when someone else shoots someone.Fascinating.If you and a partner are robbing a store and your partner shoots and kills the clerk, guess what? You are on the hook for murder, even if you are only the getaway driver. If you start a shootout on a busy street and the cops shoot innocent civilians, guess what? You are at fault because you started the shootout. You created the dangerous situation. That is how the law does and should work.No. It means the cops have no incentive to avoid innocent casualties if the blame is deferred. Blame must be shared at a minimum.The police wouldn't need to be firing in the first place if the perpetrator had not created the dangerous situation. This is the gist of 'but-for' reasoning. The police (regardless of their good/poor marksmanship) would not have fired their weapons near a civilian but for the perpetrator endangering the lives of police officers.
LasersHurt: Noticeably F.A.T.: Believe what you want, but the numbers bear me out. Look at how many people carry, and how often they don't kill anyone.You have not provided any numbers. YOU HAVE NOT BACKED UP YOUR CLAIMS AT ALL./the numbers my ass
Begoggle: Finally, someone found a way to shiat on the cops in Boston.I knew Fark would not stand for praise for any cops.
fredklein: Theaetetus: Nope: (i) although you're a direct cause, you're not the proximate cause - i.e. it's not a reasonable and foreseeable result of robbing a bank;I wouldn't say that one cop being so incredibly poorly trained as to shoot another cop is "a reasonable and foreseeable result" of... anything. I expect professionals to act like it. I know, silly.and (ii) (in many states) felony murder must be a killing done in furtherance of the crime, like killing a guard, cop, or a cashier.'One cop killing another cop doesn't meet that definition.
99sportster: They DID shoot a "random university campus cop for no apparent reason". THIS is not THAT cop.
Wolf_Blitzer: PC LOAD LETTER: Trained professionals miss, so we should continue arming everyone so we rely on the trained professionals, right?A "trained" beat cop who draws his service weapon might as well be a hand grenade, considering their statistical accuracy.Your average idiot on the street, without even that modicum of required training and range time, is about a hundred times worse.
doyner: I realize that I don't have a GED in Law, but I seem to remember that murder requires a death to occur.
Dr Dreidel: brewswane: the cops did NOT do a good job! 9000 cops and locking down an entire city looking for a 19 year old kid. illegal search and seizurethey could have got the dogs after himWTF kind of lockdown lets citizens leave their homes as they please and requires cops to get consent to enter a house?// oooooh, the city canceled classes and most businesses closed - voluntarily - for the day// but that didn't stop people from driving into the office// source
Aarontology: Would I, as a citizen, be immune from the consequences like the cop who shot the other cop, if I happened to be passing by a shootout, decided to use my CCR rights to aid the cops, but accidentally ended up shooting one of them or an innocent bystander?
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