Thoguh: I don't have a problem with this. It'll cut down on really blatant tax evasion, that's it. And smaller companies won't have to "deal with 9,000 tax codes" or anything like that. Some vendor will see a business opportunity to run all that stuff for a small surcharge and all the small businesses will just contract through them.
basemetal: I thought you guys liked taxes....
AirForceVet: This will probably increase sales at the military exchange website as it's always sales tax free.
AverageAmericanGuy: How did JC Penney and Sears do it before in the age of catalog ordering?
homeschooled: Raise your hand if you answered $0 when your state tax return asked the dollar amount of out of state or online purchases that you owed taxes on.
Thoguh: It'll cut down on really blatant tax evasion, that's it.
Rindred: So, if I buy something online. The vendor/store isn't in my state. The company that I have my credit card with doesn't reside in my state. The company that processes the credit card to pay the vendor doesn't reside in my state. Question: what entitles my state to even one penny of that transaction? If I cross a state border and buy a sandwich, I don't pay my home state sales tax on it. This isn't the same thing how?
Vodka Zombie: basemetal: I thought you guys liked taxes....I like society and civilization and all the wonderful trappings that come along with it.Like roads and bridges and, yes, parks.
shifty lookin bleeder: Teufelaffe: Here's the thing I have never understood about sales tax: It's a tax on the merchant, not the consumer,Nope. It's a tax on the purchaser. The merchant is just collecting it.
A Shambling Mound: I always get a kick out of the people who think shipping is a cost. If you're selling goods online and you're not making money on shipping you're doing it wrong.
dopekitty74: So canadians are still free to buy online from US companies without having to pay taxes then?
feckingmorons: You already have to pay tax on the items you buy from out of state vendors that do not collect sales tax if those items would be taxable in your state. Use tax, not sales tax is what it is called. I file my return and pay the tax quarterly as required by my state of residence, Florida.If you live in Deleware, Montana or Oregon you have no state sales or use tax. All others should be paying their use tax as the law requires unless the vendor collects it.This will not raise your tax burden one cent. It will however create an accounting nightmare for the sellers and many smaller sellers will simply close. Those that remain open will have higher tax compliance costs and will pass those costs along to the consumer.If you people had paid your taxes all along like you're supposed to you wouldn't be facing this problem. Quill v. North Dakota was not litigated to save you from paying the tax you rightfully owe, it was litigated so Quill and retailers similarly situated wouldn't be required to comply with tax laws in jurisdictions in which they have no nexus.TLDR version - you already owe these taxes, you don't pay them. Now they want businesses to collect them because you won't pay voluntarily and prices will go up. Pay your taxes deadbeats.
dbrunker: The Online Sales Tax:1. violates state sovereignty by forcing one state to enforce the laws of other states The law already exists and as a consumer of goods over the internet, you should have been keeping track of, and paying this tax already; this just shifts the burden from the consumer to the merchant2. is discriminatory. Internet businesses are required to get information on where products will be used - brick & mortar stores aren't Where the product(s) will be used are irrelevant and have no bearing on this law. Only where they are purchased from matters, and you bet your ass brick & mortar stores have to keep track of that (for businesses with brick & mortar stores in multiple cities or states)3. is coercive and burdensome. Internet businesses would be forced to collect taxes for over 9000 tax jurisdictions Using software that will be provided free of charge4. undermines successful small businesses - requiring them to spend time and money playing tax-collector instead of growing Again, they get free software for this. It's just additional administrative that can be mostly automated, ffs5. threatens Internet freedom by forcing e-businesses to enforce laws from jurisdictions where they aren't located Now you're just being (more) stupid
Sam Malone: I'm totally rooting for... HOUSE REPUBLICANS?!? *etthhiicckkkkaaaaadhhfffhdggghhhhhhh* Sorry, almost swallowed my tongue there for a second.
tkwasny: I thought it was a constitutional requirement that all bills that have anything to do with taxes and expenditures are required to initiate in the House?
Oldiron_79: Wait there are people that seriously thought the govt would vote against giving itself moar money? Let me laugh even harder.
MythDragon: That's like me saying I lost $200 million every time I don't win the lottery.
ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: There is the issue of sales taxes being regressive, but that's separate from collection.
ModernLuddite: Jesus fark, people. If a sales tax is going to kill you, just buy less shiat.
RembrandtQEinstein: Sales taxes and income taxes are a terrible way to fund the government.The reason you know that democrats dont care about the "working poor" is that not a single one of them will oppose sales and payroll taxes, the two most regressive forms of taxation since roman poll taxes.3 steps to fixing the country1. repeal all current sales and income taxes2. impose a tax on all currency leaving the country (napkin math says ~10-15%)3. impose an annual tax on all assets of value, including IP (napkin math again says ~3.4% to match current state and federal revenues).This moves the tax burden from labor to capital. Working poor people have their rent raised by 4% and in exchange get 11+% back from the payroll tax.Conservatives hate it since the only people paying taxes are property owners.Liberals hate it because it pegs the size of government with the size of the economy.And all politicians would hate it because they can no longer use the tax code to favor their puppetmasters.
AdolfOliverPanties: This is another example of why we are farked.Politicians do not do what constituents want.They do what big money wants, or they do something that will allow them to take in more of our cash so they can spend it on shiat constituents don't want.
Mentat: AdolfOliverPanties: This is another example of why we are farked.Politicians do not do what constituents want.They do what big money wants, or they do something that will allow them to take in more of our cash so they can spend it on shiat constituents don't want.Just because constituents want something doesn't necessarily mean they're right. Most users still operate under the idea that the Internet is some amorphous entity that popped into existence one day and why the hell should I have to pay money to watch cat videos? I don't like paying taxes, but you have to admit there's a problem when brick-and-morter stores operate under one set of rules while internet businesses operate under an advantageous other set of rules. Amazon has made a killing (literally in the case of retailers) exploiting that difference. I'm all for moving towards digital downloads and online sales, but you can't expect the government to fund its mandates if a huge section of its tax base dries up. So you have to choose. Either treat everyone by the same set of rules, or accept that states will have to tighten their belts even more as Amazon gobbles up retailers.
Mike_LowELL: - Benghazi- Dijon Mustard- ACORN- Internet Sales TaxJust adding another item to the list of reasons Taxbongo should be impeached. Don't mind me.Just like liberals don't mind showering. LOL!!! Get owned, stupid libs. Get owned.
tjfly: IronTom: basemetal: I thought you guys liked taxes....That was when the $250k and up were paying them. This here tax affects everybody who buys stuff on the internet.Obama: "I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."Lying SOB.
Gonz: And, if you want to play that out, this will be... less regressive. It'll still be according-to-Hoyle regressive, of course. But it's not like the urban poor have been making out like bandits by avoiding online sales tax. It shifts a slight bit of tax burden to middle and upper-middle class, primarily suburban, consumers. It's not really going to bother the 1%, it's not going to really be an issue for the bottom 20%. For the rest of us- we get to pitch in and pay our share for civilization. Fair enough.
Popcorn Johnny: In every Walmart thread, there are countless comments about how people should shun the evil empire and support their local mom and pop stores. Why are you all so upset about this then?
IronTom: basemetal: I thought you guys liked taxes....That was when the $250k and up were paying them. This here tax affects everybody who buys stuff on the internet.
feckingmorons: You already have to pay tax on the items you buy from out of state vendors that do not collect sales tax if those items would be taxable in your state. Use tax, not sales tax is what it is called. I file my return and pay the tax quarterly as required by my state of residence, Florida.
mikemoto: The problem I have with this is that it does not address (at least as far as I can tell) mail order operations in states with no no sales tax. I remember years ago I used to buy old coins from an outfit in New Hampshire and never had to pay sales tax for that reason.
TV's Vinnie: I really cannot fathom why the Amazon bigshots want this bill so bad. If it happens, their sales are gonna plummet.
ArkAngel: Thoguh: I don't have a problem with this. It'll cut down on really blatant tax evasion, that's it. And smaller companies won't have to "deal with 9,000 tax codes" or anything like that. Some vendor will see a business opportunity to run all that stuff for a small surcharge and all the small businesses will just contract through them.Smaller companies won't have to deal with it at all. It excuses all companies with less than one million in online sales.
Bathia_Mapes: fusillade762: t me. No sales tax in Oregon. Neener, neener.FTA...Under the legislation, the sales taxes would be sent to the state where the shopper lives.So, if an Oregon online business sold items to someone living in a state that has a sales tax, the online retailer would be required to collect the sales tax and send it to that state.And this is going to be particularly hard on small online retailers. However, businesses with less than $1 million in online sales would be exempt.
jeffowl: Vodka Zombie: basemetal: I thought you guys liked taxes....I like society and civilization and all the wonderful trappings that come along with it.Like roads and bridges and, yes, parks.And you like paying for them in the most regressive way possible?
Triumph: homeschooled: Raise your hand if you answered $0 when your state tax return asked the dollar amount of out of state or online purchases that you owed taxes on.PA and DE state governments advertise to Marylanders about traveling north for tax-free shopping. If it's evasion, it's government sanctioned.
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