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Precious Roy's Horse Dividers

2013-04-30 09:16:11 PM

36 votes:

I got crazy with my girlfriend one time while eating some ellipses. I was't being careful so it led to a pregnant pause.

redsquid

2013-04-30 10:05:09 PM

20 votes:

Pfighting Polish: I_Am_Weasel: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: I got crazy with my girlfriend one time while eating some ellipses. I was't being careful so it led to a pregnant pause.

This underscores why you must be careful.

Some people just don't understand the aste-risks.

You can't get a pregnant pause if you use the colon.

SpaceBison

2013-04-30 10:21:31 PM

13 votes:

juvandy: for the uninitiated, can someone explain how a cargo shift causes that?

It's kinda like this:

I_Am_Weasel

2013-04-30 09:23:05 PM

10 votes:

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: I got crazy with my girlfriend one time while eating some ellipses. I was't being careful so it led to a pregnant pause.

This underscores why you must be careful.

Texas Gabe

2013-04-30 10:09:09 PM

9 votes:

Dr Jack Badofsky: I_Am_Weasel: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: I got crazy with my girlfriend one time while eating some ellipses. I was't being careful so it led to a pregnant pause.

This underscores why you must be careful.

Did you have to tell your parens?

She was a virgin right? You broke her hyphen.

JohnAnnArbor

2013-04-30 08:51:12 PM

9 votes:

I_Am_Weasel: SpikeStrip: remus: SpikeStrip: remus: SpikeStrip: remus: this isn't going to be pretty.

opposed to what?

// have actually had a conversation, while eating lunch, that included the words "what's that? I think it's a piece of tongue..."
// continued eating lunch...

what happened next?

We dug it out and sent it to the lab. What else do you do with some tongue? We don't normally get the parts, so it was a little exciting.

no, what happened after you continued eating lunch, what with the ellipsis and all

You had an ellipsis for lunch?

It's the thing, lately. I had a couple quote marks and a tilde, myself.

Dr Jack Badofsky

2013-04-30 09:41:26 PM

8 votes:

I_Am_Weasel: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: I got crazy with my girlfriend one time while eating some ellipses. I was't being careful so it led to a pregnant pause.

This underscores why you must be careful.

Did you have to tell your parens?

OtherLittleGuy

2013-04-30 09:58:13 PM

7 votes:

Crashing Bagram Style.

Shostie

2013-04-30 09:09:11 PM

7 votes:

JohnAnnArbor: I_Am_Weasel: SpikeStrip: remus: SpikeStrip: remus: SpikeStrip: remus: this isn't going to be pretty.

opposed to what?

// have actually had a conversation, while eating lunch, that included the words "what's that? I think it's a piece of tongue..."
// continued eating lunch...

what happened next?

We dug it out and sent it to the lab. What else do you do with some tongue? We don't normally get the parts, so it was a little exciting.

no, what happened after you continued eating lunch, what with the ellipsis and all

You had an ellipsis for lunch?

It's the thing, lately. I had a couple quote marks and a tilde, myself.

Sometimes I like to sit down for a nice movie with a bowl full of exclamation points.

Pfighting Polish

2013-04-30 09:41:40 PM

6 votes:

Some people just don't understand the aste-risks.

aedude01

2013-04-30 10:11:17 PM

5 votes:

Texas Gabe: Dr Jack Badofsky: I_Am_Weasel: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: I got crazy with my girlfriend one time while eating some ellipses. I was't being careful so it led to a pregnant pause.

This underscores why you must be careful.

Did you have to tell your parens?

She was a virgin right? You broke her hyphen.

Maybe you'll get lucky and it's just a delayed period.

Warthog

2013-04-30 09:36:52 PM

5 votes:

Reminds me of a story I heard while visiting my brother down in Del Rio,Texas, where he was an instructor pilot at the time. They had a jet in the unit out on a training mission, when the jet started to come apart and enter a rapid uncontrolled roll. Instructor gave the instruction to eject, and they did safely (which apparently shocked the wingman, given their roll rate).

But then they landed. In the middle of a herd of angry west Texas steer. They ended up climbing what passed for a tree in that part of Texas -- a scrawny thing full of thorns -- and ended up sustaining greater injuries from the tree while evading the bovines than they did in the ejection. Everyone in the unit thought this was hilariously funny.

theorellior

2013-04-30 09:55:31 PM

4 votes:

Acharne: There was much more swearing and some footage of an entire scout troup crying. You've have melted.

You didn't mention the midget gangbang, I notice.

BillyRayBob

2013-05-01 01:32:57 AM

3 votes:

Warthog
juvandy: for the uninitiated, can someone explain how a cargo shift causes that?

Get a dinner plate. Balance it on the tip of your finger. Then put a dinner roll on the center of the plate. You can still balance it, because the center of gravity is still at the center of the plate. Now move the roll to the edge of the plate. You can't balance it at the center point, because the center of gravity has moved so far towards the edge of the plate.

In very general terms, in an airplane, you want the center of gravity to be at a point that basically keeps the plane balanced like the plate with the roll at the middle, except with the wings in balance. If the cargo shifts to the tail, the tail falls down, and no amount of control surface movement on the wings will bring the nose down and tail back up. Eventually the wing loses lift, the plane stalls, and gravity takes over. That's EXACTLY what you see in the video.

A dinner roll did THAT?

frostus

2013-05-01 12:25:15 AM

3 votes:

DeadPuppySociety: Quantum Apostrophe: scubamage: at least they got to go out doing something they loved

So did you know who.

Michael Hutchence?

David Carradine?

Mad_Season

2013-04-30 11:42:41 PM

3 votes:

Video from another angle

http://youtu.be/NgWm1E_KKhE?t=2m30s

GoldDude

2013-04-30 11:26:40 PM

3 votes:

China White Tea: This is a graphic video and an expletive is used at about the 1:15 mark.

...just the one?

The guy sees a plane crash and burst into a huge fireball with no comment. About a minute later he utters the expletive in question.
Maybe it took him that long to remember someone asking him if he had properly secured the cargo, and him replying "Yeah, sure. Whatever."

doosh

2013-04-30 10:13:42 PM

3 votes:

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: I got crazy with my girlfriend one time while eating some ellipses. I was't being careful so it led to a pregnant pause.

Newbies, newbies! The fun really starts when you move up to diacriticals. More fun with foreigners, I say.

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers

2013-04-30 10:07:19 PM

3 votes:

redsquid: Pfighting Polish: I_Am_Weasel: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: I got crazy with my girlfriend one time while eating some ellipses. I was't being careful so it led to a pregnant pause.

This underscores why you must be careful.

Some people just don't understand the aste-risks.

You can't get a pregnant pause if you use the colon.

Not enough lube left so we only got a semicolon

LesserEvil

2013-04-30 09:54:40 PM

3 votes:

remus: I worked another where the co-pilot was beheaded by a bird coming thru the canopy.

The bird should have been thawed before it went into the canopy.

/Sorry, had to say it.

Nuclear Monk

2013-04-30 09:37:56 PM

3 votes:

SpikeStrip: remus: this isn't going to be pretty.

opposed to what?

an unmanned blimp carrying a payload of fresh wild flowers?

SpikeStrip

2013-04-30 08:57:32 PM

3 votes:

we're not pac man, here. i wanna know what remus did after he continued eating lunch

I_Am_Weasel

2013-04-30 08:49:43 PM

3 votes:

SpikeStrip: remus: SpikeStrip: remus: SpikeStrip: remus: this isn't going to be pretty.

opposed to what?

// have actually had a conversation, while eating lunch, that included the words "what's that? I think it's a piece of tongue..."
// continued eating lunch...

what happened next?

We dug it out and sent it to the lab. What else do you do with some tongue? We don't normally get the parts, so it was a little exciting.

no, what happened after you continued eating lunch, what with the ellipsis and all

You had an ellipsis for lunch?

Badgers

2013-05-01 05:09:03 AM

2 votes:

ZEE PLANE ZEE PLANE ZEE...

DeadPuppySociety

2013-05-01 12:21:43 AM

2 votes:

Quantum Apostrophe: scubamage: at least they got to go out doing something they loved

So did you know who.

Michael Hutchence?

Peki

2013-04-30 11:57:10 PM

2 votes:

iron_city_ap: Not CSB: Apparently, my first officer used to work with and knew one of the guys onboard.

It just makes you feel ill seeing something like this.

Tell him someone sends a hug from California. My bro works on an aircraft carrier in the gulf; all military is family.

Valiente: RexTalionis: Damn, that is a really bad stall.

Classic execution. I've seen Pittmans do that at air shows at much greater heights, but not a big honking jet.

It's like they took off, pulled all throttles to zero, and yanked the yoke into their ball sacks, standing the plane on its tale.

A whole lot of ugly.

Makes for a great story though.

Jesterling

2013-04-30 11:51:00 PM

2 votes:

God-is-a-Taco: inglixthemad: aedude01: jayhawk88:

Princess Juliana International Airport:

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Wow that's somewhat terrifying.

Plant Rights Activist

2013-04-30 11:28:21 PM

2 votes:

fusillade762:
I have dreams of planes (and other large objects) falling out of the sky on a semi-regular basis.

sjcousins

2013-04-30 11:23:07 PM

2 votes:

You're lucky. I had a bowl of parentheses that were full of ampersands. I had a semi colon after that.

calbert

2013-04-30 10:34:40 PM

2 votes:

juvandy: for the uninitiated, can someone explain how a cargo shift causes that?

LessO2

2013-04-30 10:13:43 PM

2 votes:

juvandy: for the uninitiated, can someone explain how a cargo shift causes that?

Not a pilot, but my guess is that the additional, sudden weight shift into the back rendered the elevators (small wings below the rudder) useless, causing the stall.

/stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night

Fista-Phobia

2013-04-30 10:13:16 PM

2 votes:

inglixthemad: RexTalionis: Damn, that is a really bad stall.

Departure stalls are nasty. I mean seriously, never want one to happen to you as a pilot, nasty. A big chunk of stall training covers slow flight and stalls. Power on (full power, 20' - 40' of flaps) simulate departure stalls, except for one thing: you have altitude. That's why they drill power on and power off stalls into pilots. One happens on takeoff, the other at landing. Takeoff and landing: the most likely times for an incident to occur.

The pilot in the video? I can't say what happened, but wow. Power on, right wing stall, wing drop without it looking like the pilot attempted to nose over. Just wow.

Don't take the above as gospel though. The problem is perspective. The pilot may may have tried to push the nose down, but the video's perspective might not show that.

I cannot help myself.

gameshowhost

2013-04-30 10:10:13 PM

2 votes:

O_O

can't sleep. airplane dropping on top of me.

Abox

2013-04-30 09:49:19 PM

2 votes:

FTL "According to eyewitness reports, the airplane attained a very steep nose-up attitude"

biatch

ZAZ

2013-04-30 09:28:06 PM

2 votes:

It looked like he almost had it under control when the ground got in the way. That's why you should build your airport at the edge of a cliff. Of course then you get complaints about landing.

remus

2013-04-30 08:18:03 PM

2 votes:

SpikeStrip: remus: this isn't going to be pretty.

opposed to what?

I worked one where the pilot ejected and only got a few scratches on his arm from the sage brush while he was walking out to the nearest road.

I worked another where the co-pilot was beheaded by a bird coming thru the canopy.

The worst, hands down, was the A-10 Lt Col who ejected in a full bank horizontal to the ground; his seat worked perfectly right until it hit the Oak tree. It was worse than the decapitated guy because the lab reeked for weeks.

// have actually had a conversation, while eating lunch, that included the words "what's that? I think it's a piece of tongue..."
// continued eating lunch...

fatbear

2013-05-01 03:48:29 PM

1 vote:

ZAZ: I've always wondered what happens is eveyone just got up from their seats at the same moment and rush to the back of the plane? Will it cause enough shift to put the plane in danger and cause a stall?

400 people at 80 kg are about 10% of the weight of a 747. If they move back 15 meters (on average) the CG moves back about 1.5 meters. The allowable CG range of a jet airliner is on the order of 2 meters, and odds are it was not at the front edge of the range to start. So all the girls going to the bathroom at once could be considered terrorists.

The plane may not crash outside of those limits, but the FAA will be very annoyed. Google found me a story of a 747 loaded outside of CG limits that didn't blow up: www.skybrary.aero/bookshelf/books/617.pdf.

The FAA will be annoyed? Hell, *I'd* be annoyed as fark if I was on a flight with 400 women who weighed an average of 176 lbs each.

LonMead

2013-05-01 11:02:59 AM

1 vote:

dbirchall: fatbear: MythDragon:You might appoach at a large angle, but the planes don't arrive at the carrier deck much steeper than a fighter on tarmac. You still generaly want two wheels on deck when you catch the 3 wire.

And actualy I've made plenty of carrier landings. I've made 38....simulated.

You're confusing angle of attack and angle of descent (which in this case, is also angle of arrival, not a term normally used.)

The angle of attack is about the same for land vs carrier; the angle of descent at touchdown is very different.

Congrats on your 38 simulated carrier landings. You get a cookie.

Simulated cookie. :)

Make sure you set your browser to accept cookies.

rrife

2013-05-01 09:43:20 AM

1 vote:

And this is why you have to turn off your iPhone before take off.

Smallberries

2013-05-01 07:21:09 AM

1 vote:

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Most amazing thing is there is one muffled "fark" during that whole thing. I would have been washed away in a flood of terror diarrhea and hoarse from screaming newly invented vulgar phrases had that happened right in front of me

Got to be another pilot, or an Air Force trained ground crew. Keep the conversation sterile and factual. Me? I cuss like a sailor, sometimes on an open channel, got the FAA letter to prove it. :)

strapp3r

2013-05-01 06:36:56 AM

1 vote:

LOADS SHIFT
FREE MARKET
LET US PRAY

LonMead

2013-05-01 04:42:18 AM

1 vote:

CMcMahon: So... what do Alex Jones and the Conspiratards have on this one?

Well, you see that grassy knoll on the right? The guy behind the fence is who we should be looking for.

tuna fingers

2013-05-01 04:02:50 AM

1 vote:

italie: StretchCannon: italie: StretchCannon: 1) This was a microburst. It's obvious. You can see the thunderstorm that caused it in the shot. You can see the plane pitching in the column of air.
2) You can be damn sure that the weather guys told the pilot not to take off with the thunderstorm cell that close, but the pilot chose to ignore them.
3) Pilots will blame this on the load shifting because pilots don't like blaming pilot error on pilot error. They'll try to blame the loadmaster. A load shifting wouldn't cause the plane to suddenly tilt opposite the control surface orientation. I watched seasoned pilots recover from worse wind sheer than this for four years at Dover AFB in Delaware.

You are so full of shait, it's amazing your chair isn't experiencing CG shift.

You are so full of insults, you can't justify your position, present evidence that contradicts mine, or accomplish much but make a fool of yourself.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was the one throwing out speculative conclusions based upon a complete lack of sound and measurable logic. I feel so silly.

To be fair... You both seem like juvenile piece of shiat scum.

tuna fingers

2013-05-01 03:54:01 AM

1 vote:

Shostie:

Sometimes I like to sit down for a nice movie with a bowl full of exclamation points.

I'm sorry Shawstie, us liters down here sometimes miss the obvious ones.

THOSE WEREN'T EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!
NSFW.
penis.

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italie

2013-05-01 03:19:43 AM

1 vote:

StretchCannon: 1) This was a microburst. It's obvious. You can see the thunderstorm that caused it in the shot. You can see the plane pitching in the column of air.
2) You can be damn sure that the weather guys told the pilot not to take off with the thunderstorm cell that close, but the pilot chose to ignore them.
3) Pilots will blame this on the load shifting because pilots don't like blaming pilot error on pilot error. They'll try to blame the loadmaster. A load shifting wouldn't cause the plane to suddenly tilt opposite the control surface orientation. I watched seasoned pilots recover from worse wind sheer than this for four years at Dover AFB in Delaware.

You are so full of shait, it's amazing your chair isn't experiencing CG shift.

Gyrfalcon

2013-05-01 01:37:00 AM

1 vote:

thedumbone: neilbradley: To anyone who is a pilot (or know about such things), why didn't he put the nose down and power up? If you can see you're about to be in a stall situation, that's fairly easy to determine in VERY short order.

That's just what they'd be expecting.

/I'm sure that they tried to do exactly that, but were unable to for unknown reasons.

The ground was too close to the plane? That seems pretty knowable.

Lsherm

2013-05-01 12:59:57 AM

1 vote:

thedumbone: Lsherm: thedumbone: Put me down as the (first?) to say - NOT a load shift.

Put me down for human error (only because it usually is), or control system malfunction.

You've got 20,000 pounds of thrust counteracting that, at least for a little bit. It only impacted nose first once it got the 10 milliseconds of control back, at which point I'm sure all that cargo shifted to the front.

Thrust doesn't work that way. Aircraft are design to minimize pitch changes due to thrust, with the exception of certain seaplanes.

Also, you don't get "control back" until you get speed back, and that doesn't happen until the nose drops.

FizixJunkee: thedumbone: Put me down as the (first?) to say - NOT a load shift.

Inertia.

Inertia doesn't cause a aircraft to change from nose-up to nose-down - it tends to keep things where they are.

Did that damn airplane look like it was minimizing a pitch change?

serialsuicidebomber

2013-05-01 12:48:15 AM

1 vote:

SpikeStrip: people_are_chumps: I'm flying for the first time in 12 years next week so I'm not getting a kick....

we're all missing the point here, which is to give people_are_chumpsencouragement.

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OH, now I see........ Ok, well....... uhhhhhhhhhhhh........ Ok, got it: PRC, don't worry, no matter what happens to the plane, most likely you'll come out ALIVE.

/How does that one bite ya??? Right on the a55, huh?
/And watch out for clouds; some of them have rocks in 'em.

serialsuicidebomber

2013-05-01 12:31:57 AM

1 vote:

sjcousins: JohnAnnArbor: I_Am_Weasel: SpikeStrip: remus: SpikeStrip: remus: SpikeStrip: remus: this isn't going to be pretty.

opposed to what?

// have actually had a conversation, while eating lunch, that included the words "what's that? I think it's a piece of tongue..."
// continued eating lunch...

what happened next?

We dug it out and sent it to the lab. What else do you do with some tongue? We don't normally get the parts, so it was a little exciting.

no, what happened after you continued eating lunch, what with the ellipsis and all

You had an ellipsis for lunch?

It's the thing, lately. I had a couple quote marks and a tilde, myself.

You're lucky. I had a bowl of parentheses that were full of ampersands. I had a semi colon after that.

Ampersands are the worst thing for any VaJayJay. Makes ya biitchy!

Gyrfalcon

2013-05-01 12:01:18 AM

1 vote:

eggrolls: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Meisaims: Why did the dog sound so upset? That actually freaked me out more than anything.

Dogs don't like thunder, so I imagine a huge explosion and fire might be upsetting

Also explains why the "f*ck* doesn't come out until 1:15 into the crash. That driver was stone cold. I would have been shouting profanities from the boom.

He may have.....known something......

[cue conspiracy theories to the left]
[or right]

Flint Ironstag

2013-04-30 11:43:36 PM

1 vote:

Igor Jakovsky: And the 2 Russian pilots have a smoke and walk away.

Being Russian it was probably smoking and swigging from a bottle of vodak that caused the crash.

/Used to work with a Russian. Showed him a shopped pic I found on the net of a Russian Army Knife. It has eight tools. Three are bottle openers and the other five are corkscrews.

gibbon1

2013-04-30 11:40:49 PM

1 vote:

remus: That would match the video... I used to do crash investigations, this isn't going to be pretty.

Oh I don't know. You should see what my gardener did with my yard. I'll be he could fix up that burn spot in no time. Little mulch, grass seed, fertilizer, water... oh right no water in the stan.

SpikeStrip

2013-04-30 11:37:57 PM

1 vote:

people_are_chumps: I'm flying for the first time in 12 years next week so I'm not getting a kick....

we're all missing the point here, which is to give people_are_chumpsencouragement.

Igor Jakovsky

2013-04-30 11:33:46 PM

1 vote:

Flint Ironstag: Glockenspiel Hero: WhyteRaven74: remus: I worked another where the co-pilot was beheaded by a bird coming thru the canopy.

I heard of an incident in the 70s, not sure what plane or exact location, but someone was working on a plane in a hanger, when the ejection seat went off...

Many years back I went to an airshow at Willow Grove NAS. My folks were sitting under a wing of a plane (shade) while I was standing in line to see a Sea King when I heard a muffled "boom" and saw a parachute unfurling in the air. Went right over me and landed on the plane my folks were under.

A young kid had been sitting in the cockpit of an A6 and was fiddling with the knobs and levers. The crew chief hadn't properly secured the ejection seat. Kid didn't survive. Last airshow there for a very long time.

A couple more tales I heard about. I was talking to a guy who worked on the refuelling trucks.There was an airshow in the UK, can't remember which one, that had two Mig's doing a routine. They hit each other head on. This crew were directly underneath, half on a break lying on the wing of a Hercules, half working on the truck. They saw the crash happen directly above them and a chunk of one of the Mig's landed on the tail of the Herc. Of the crew working the fuel truck one of the guys ran for cover. Under the fuel truck.
All survived.

The other story I heard third hand. We had a training squadron that had Bulldogs, two seat, side by said, low wing prop trainers. Because it was the then primary RAF trainer it had parachutes, but not ejection seats. The chute was built into the seat back so you climbed onboard, did up the chute five point harness then did up the seat five point harness. Getting out was the reverse, hit the seat harness buckle then the chute buckle and step out.
One day an instructor was flying solo when he had an engine fire, so he bailed out. Except, out of sheer habit, he had undone both buckles and jumped leaving the chute on the plane...

Found the video of the ...

And the 2 Russian pilots have a smoke and walk away.

serialsuicidebomber

2013-04-30 11:29:22 PM

1 vote:

LessO2: juvandy: for the uninitiated, can someone explain how a cargo shift causes that?

Not a pilot, but my guess is that the additional, sudden weight shift into the back rendered the elevators (small wings below the rudder) useless, causing the stall.

/stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night

*I* would have stayed there too, but I was so tired that I just crashed wherever I fell.

/ .......too soon???

ElLoco

2013-04-30 11:27:39 PM

1 vote:

traylor: I understand the nose up movement (pitch) was caused by the cargo shift. But why the roll? Isn't that a pilot error?

It's lack of airflow over control surfaces. They could have stuck their arms out the windows to flap and wouldn't have been faulted for it at that point.

ko_kyi

2013-04-30 11:20:55 PM

1 vote:

Satanic_Hamster: I've known a number of loadmasters. They've all been heavily anal retentive sticklers to rules in every aspect of their lives.

Well, if your training includes video like this where someone screwed up, I can see why.

Peki

2013-04-30 10:57:25 PM

1 vote:

ElLoco: not to mention that assuming the aircraft actually survived such a maneuver, all the aerial acrobatics would very likely smash that several ton thing in the back through the fuselage

Now that was material for some very entertaining mental images. On the one hand, you wouldn't have the cargo causing shift anymore if it all went out a hole. LOL

/okay, I'm sorry I'm laughing in this thread, but my family is like that

LookForTheArrow

2013-04-30 10:49:29 PM

1 vote:

... AND BUT A SINGLE fark WAS GIVEN THAT DAY:There was audio for the whole thing but not a single word during the whole crash???

/sure, one later in.. but really?

WizardofToast

2013-04-30 10:48:49 PM

1 vote:

One of my greatest fears is riding a plane that just drops out of the sky mid-flight. Now I'm going to hate every take off unless all the fat people are kept in the center seats.

/I know fat people can't bring down a plane
//But ya never know

Satanic_Hamster

2013-04-30 10:47:53 PM

1 vote:

aedude01: theMagni: aedude01: flightmonkey88: Here is another unsettling bit, That bird went down on the edge of an old russian minefield at the end of the runway

Fark.

On another morbid note, what's everyone think? Did they die on impact/explosion or was it a burn to death scenario? Few things bother my psyche more when flying than the prospect of being in a plane crash, surviving, only to then burn to death.

Between the impact itself, the shockwave from the explosion, the loose cargo, the heat, smoke, and lack of air, it was an all-you-can eat buffet of instant death.

As horrible as that all sounds, that actually makes me feel better. Hopefully the poor guys in the plane went out that quickly.

That's assuming the Chupacabra didn't get them first on the way down. Likely why the pilot lost control.

Haliburton Cummings

2013-04-30 10:46:37 PM

1 vote:

who woulda thought FARK was full of ~~professional pilots!~~ simulator nerds!!

ftfm

serialsuicidebomber

2013-04-30 10:46:30 PM

1 vote:

Maybe it just rolled off the tongue???

acefox1

2013-04-30 10:46:08 PM

1 vote:

I was training to be a USAF C-130 Crew Chief when a broken leg sent me back to civilian life so I'm really not getting a kick out of this.

theMagni

2013-04-30 10:36:25 PM

1 vote:

aedude01: flightmonkey88: Here is another unsettling bit, That bird went down on the edge of an old russian minefield at the end of the runway

Fark.

On another morbid note, what's everyone think? Did they die on impact/explosion or was it a burn to death scenario? Few things bother my psyche more when flying than the prospect of being in a plane crash, surviving, only to then burn to death.

Between the impact itself, the shockwave from the explosion, the loose cargo, the heat, smoke, and lack of air, it was an all-you-can eat buffet of instant death.

SpikeStrip

2013-04-30 10:36:24 PM

1 vote:

people_are_chumps: I'm flying for the first time in 12 years next week so I'm not getting a kick....

go rent 'fearless' 'hero' 'alive' 'flight' and 'flight 93'

no way you can crash after that.

jaylectricity

2013-04-30 10:35:41 PM

1 vote:

Do a barrel roll!

ElLoco

2013-04-30 10:32:24 PM

1 vote:

Quantum Apostrophe: Just goes to show how fragile and weak our technology is.

Something moved. Seven people dead.

Aye. We're decades behind where we should be on nylon binding equipment.

Blew all our synthetic fiber research money on that Mars rover contraption that'll never amount to anything. :(

theMagni

2013-04-30 10:22:19 PM

1 vote:

I likewise would have been using military-grade expletives in the chance that the plane could be lifted by profanity alone.

/My guess is they loaded the plane thinking in pounds, but loaded kilograms instead.

Deucetoo

2013-04-30 10:20:16 PM

1 vote:

Notice how calm and quiet the guy was? I'm calling a false flag. There was something on that plane Obama didn't want going to the UAE. This guy just HAPPENED to be there recording this as calm as you like? This video wasn't supposed to get released. This guy is probably now in GTMO.

/amidoingitright?

cabbyman

2013-04-30 10:16:35 PM

1 vote:

Shostie: JohnAnnArbor: I_Am_Weasel: SpikeStrip: remus: SpikeStrip: remus: SpikeStrip: remus: this isn't going to be pretty.

opposed to what?

// have actually had a conversation, while eating lunch, that included the words "what's that? I think it's a piece of tongue..."
// continued eating lunch...

what happened next?

We dug it out and sent it to the lab. What else do you do with some tongue? We don't normally get the parts, so it was a little exciting.

no, what happened after you continued eating lunch, what with the ellipsis and all

You had an ellipsis for lunch?

It's the thing, lately. I had a couple quote marks and a tilde, myself.

Sometimes I like to sit down for a nice movie with a bowl full of exclamation points.

That's got to be hard on your colon...

tgambitg

2013-04-30 10:15:34 PM

1 vote:

SpikeStrip: remus: SpikeStrip: remus: this isn't going to be pretty.

opposed to what?

// have actually had a conversation, while eating lunch, that included the words "what's that? I think it's a piece of tongue..."
// continued eating lunch...

what happened next?

For some reason that reminded me of...

Glockenspiel Hero

2013-04-30 10:10:46 PM

1 vote:

juvandy: for the uninitiated, can someone explain how a cargo shift causes that?

Think about the center of gravity of a plane loaded with a bunch of heavy objects- it's like a seesaw. If the objects shift aft suddenly, the plane's nose will come up. If there's enough weight back there, the plane's control surfaces don't have enough authority to point the nose back down. Plane climbs too fast, loses airspeed and stalls. Stall recovery requires you to get the nose down, but you can't because of the too-far aft CG, and you get exactly what the video shows.

jaylectricity

2013-04-30 10:04:24 PM

1 vote:

skinink: That's always been my biggest fear, to be on a plane that just stalls and drops from the sky lite a bag of bricks.

What's starting to bother me is that I wouldn't mind going out like that.

I might change my mind as I get closer to the ground.

ThisIsntMe

2013-04-30 09:55:36 PM

1 vote:

Dessert, I'm guessing.

Acharne

2013-04-30 09:54:13 PM

1 vote:

HighZoolander: I had to turn it off after the expletive at the 1:15 mark - that just pushed the video past an intensity level that I can handle. What happened after that?

There was much more swearing and some footage of an entire scout troup crying. You've have melted.

HighZoolander

2013-04-30 09:51:21 PM

1 vote:

I had to turn it off after the expletive at the 1:15 mark - that just pushed the video past an intensity level that I can handle. What happened after that?

Cats_Lie

2013-04-30 09:51:07 PM

1 vote:

Socialism fails again.

Heathen

2013-04-30 09:45:48 PM

1 vote:

LessO2: Those are some nasty looking clouds in the background.....any chance wind shear could have played a role?

typically you take off into the wind, also I find it highly unlikely that all 4 engines suddenly said "fek it"

Satanic_Hamster

2013-04-30 09:41:55 PM

1 vote:

saladan0: For those interested, here is the preliminary reports from aviation-safety

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20130429-0">http:/ /aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20130429-0

It seems it was indeed a cargo shift that happened immediately after takeoff, and as those above me noticed, they didnt even get the gears up.

The question is if the loadmaster had the cargo improperly secured, or if it was a due to a malfunction of the tiedown equipment. Regardless the USAF is going to be reeling from this one for a while.

I've known a number of loadmasters. They've all been heavily anal retentive sticklers to rules in every aspect of their lives.

If I had to bet I'd put my money on mechanical failure.

KrispyKritter

2013-04-30 09:34:17 PM

1 vote:

remus: SpikeStrip: remus: this isn't going to be pretty.

opposed to what?

I worked one where the pilot ejected and only got a few scratches on his arm from the sage brush while he was walking out to the nearest road.

I worked another where the co-pilot was beheaded by a bird coming thru the canopy.

The worst, hands down, was the A-10 Lt Col who ejected in a full bank horizontal to the ground; his seat worked perfectly right until it hit the Oak tree. It was worse than the decapitated guy because the lab reeked for weeks.

// have actually had a conversation, while eating lunch, that included the words "what's that? I think it's a piece of tongue..."
// continued eating lunch...

you're a real life TV character. you must get all the women.

SpikeStrip

2013-04-30 08:36:57 PM

1 vote:

remus: SpikeStrip: remus: SpikeStrip: remus: this isn't going to be pretty.

opposed to what?

// have actually had a conversation, while eating lunch, that included the words "what's that? I think it's a piece of tongue..."
// continued eating lunch...

what happened next?

We dug it out and sent it to the lab. What else do you do with some tongue? We don't normally get the parts, so it was a little exciting.

no, what happened after you continued eating lunch, what with the ellipsis and all

Flint Ironstag

2013-04-30 08:29:45 PM

1 vote:

WhyteRaven74: remus: I worked another where the co-pilot was beheaded by a bird coming thru the canopy.

I heard of an incident in the 70s, not sure what plane or exact location, but someone was working on a plane in a hanger, when the ejection seat went off...

I was an instructor in the Air Training Corps here in the UK years ago. A bunch of cadets were on a week camp at a RAF airbase and were being shown round a hangar including a Tornado being serviced, with chances to sit in the seats etc. After they left a mechanic notices one of the pins from the ejector seat was missing....
He told the FS, the FS told the officer, the officer told the base commander etc. It went up to the top of the RAF and then back down the chain of command of the ATC, in about half an hour. Every cadet was confined to quarters, uniformed ATC staff were on the carpet, civilian staff were almost as confined to quarters as the cadets. When the guilty cadet confessed his parents got a call saying "Your son is no longer in the Air Cadets. You have to collect him now". The atmosphere lasted the rest of the week and affected the next few weeks groups as well.

They do not mess around with ejector seats.

Popcorn Johnny

2013-04-30 07:57:11 PM

1 vote:

Charlie Freak: Wow, that's got to be a cargo shift.

Early word is that they were carrying 5 armored vehicles and something came loose.

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