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Krieghund

2013-04-14 10:43:48 PM

It seems like a great idea! The first thing I'd do is hitch it to my truck and get out of Arizona.

The couple moved from Prescott, Ariz. to Santa Fe, N.M.

Good job!

basemetal

2013-04-14 10:46:07 PM

Even hippies will tire of that little of space soon.

/so will they

Lsherm

2013-04-14 11:13:04 PM

Cool idea, but I wonder if they attached that roof on well enough to keep towing it other places.

ongbok

2013-04-14 11:45:34 PM

Shane admits that the tiny house lifestyle isn't for everyone. But for people who do want to give it a try, the Caverlys are offering to help them get started. They're selling a replica of their own home for $48,000 and they can take custom orders, as well.

And there's the reason why they are living in that home.

basemetal

2013-04-14 11:50:55 PM

At least the inlaws wont spend the night.

DanZero

2013-04-14 11:51:28 PM

/why haven't you called geico?

zobear

2013-04-15 12:10:04 AM

Come now subby, I expect they've got plenty of smug storage on that Macbook.

SilentStrider

2013-04-15 12:16:15 AM

Hey, if they can pull it off, more power to them.

CaptSacto

2013-04-15 12:20:12 AM

I live in 400 sqf with 3 cats.
I expect there to be a follow-up to this story soon, and it won't be so cute.

Nadie_AZ

2013-04-15 12:31:22 AM

DanZero: [www.chicagonow.com image 480x360]

/why haven't you called geico?

When that commercial came out, I swear I wanted it to be a real show.

Their goal is to eventually build an off-the-grid house on their own plot of land and use their tiny home as a studio.

So ... no plans to stay in a small home, then.

CujoQuarrel

2013-04-15 01:40:43 AM

So basically they built their own fifth wheel trailer instead of buying one

clear_prop

2013-04-15 01:43:09 AM

That isn't a house, it is a trailer. And a small crappy one at that.

Fano

2013-04-15 01:44:50 AM

ongbok: Shane admits that the tiny house lifestyle isn't for everyone. But for people who do want to give it a try, the Caverlys are offering to help them get started. They're selling a replica of their own home for $48,000 and they can take custom orders, as well.

And there's the reason why they are living in that home.

Yep.

Otherwise everyone would already be living in a Japanese Love Hotel.

fickle floridian

2013-04-15 01:45:24 AM

sminkypinky

2013-04-15 01:46:03 AM

Haters gonna hate

Fano

2013-04-15 01:47:47 AM

I'm pretty sure I could buy a shed of equal size from Home Depot and live in it, saving thousands that they charge for their brilliant advice.

RottNDude

2013-04-15 01:47:48 AM

48k can get you a luxury 5th wheel with multiple slideouts and a bathroom where you don't need to shiat in the shower. This is just hipster attention whoring at its finest.

bbfreak

2013-04-15 01:48:25 AM

CaptSacto: I live in 400 sqf with 3 cats.
I expect there to be a follow-up to this story soon, and it won't be so cute.

Followup: Farker Captsacto eaten by his three cats.

teenage mutant ninja rapist

2013-04-15 01:50:51 AM

Meh i dont know about a married couple. Single person would be quite comfortable in it.
till you try to bring a date home

neongoats

2013-04-15 01:51:36 AM

So they built a DIY mobile home to escape paying the man to live. I understand.

I've kind of thought it would be fun to refurb a Walter White style little camper into something like this. That way it would be the vehicle, and I could tow a fuel efficient car, instead of just having a big monster truck to tow around my tiny house.

poot_rootbeer

2013-04-15 01:52:24 AM

I'd consider a trailer that size as a weekend home, but it could never be my primary residence.

neongoats

2013-04-15 01:52:53 AM

CujoQuarrel: So basically they built their own fifth wheel trailer instead of buying one

Yeah heh. I bet they could have refurbed a nice little airstream, or whatever those 50s shiny bullet looking ones are for half the money, and had twice the space.

Zugarific

2013-04-15 01:54:01 AM

I bet it smells awesome in there

msupf

2013-04-15 01:55:31 AM

Wow, the payoff to the article was just hilarious.

$48k for them to build you one? Yeah, no.

redsquid

2013-04-15 01:55:31 AM

Do any of these people have hobbies? If he's a contractor where are his tools? If your house is too small there's a diminishing return. There's no storage so there's no savings buying in bulk. You don't have room to store tools so you have to hire out for repairs and maintenance. Storage limitations also mean that items can't be stored for reuse or recycling. It may be great if you're a consumer with a passive home life, but for people with hobbies or home based businesses, it's a nightmare.

wildcardjack

2013-04-15 01:55:35 AM

I guess it matters HOW you make your living. When you get down to it you don't really live in your entire space.

Hmm, self challenge: Move into one room of my apartment. Although that might be a bad challenge with my musical gear. My workstation takes up about the same footprint as a couch.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom

2013-04-15 01:56:27 AM

1350 sq ft is barely enough for me and my old lady. Oh wait, she left me for a coworker, so it's all mine now! Bwahahahaboohoohoo

Benevolent Misanthrope

2013-04-15 01:56:38 AM

Fano: I'm pretty sure I could buy a shed of equal size from Home Depot and live in it, saving thousands that they charge for their brilliant advice.

I honestly thought of it once. There are some pretty nice kits out there that could be insulated appropriately, and could also be modified to travel on a trailer frame I'm sure. I was only thinking in terms of the tiny house concept, though - and there are shed kit that would do much better than this, including a loft for sleeping and much better framing.

netcentric

2013-04-15 01:59:16 AM

Grapes....add a little wrath. Whatev...

harlock

2013-04-15 02:00:02 AM

RottNDude: 48k can get you a luxury 5th wheel with multiple slideouts and a bathroom where you don't need to shiat in the shower. This is just hipster attention whoring at its finest.

Came to say this. It's a false savings that makes no economic sense. I can only wish I had $48k to spend on a travel trailer, I spent $9k buying a used trailer that cost $27k when new, and it's still nicer than that homebrew. The part where it gets rough is the plumbing. The bathroom in any 5th wheel, TT or motorhome is nicer than that one.

The fact is that the RV industry has been evolving nice products since the 1930s. They're gotten really good at it. You can buy cheap but nice looking stuff on the low end, and nice and nice looking stuff on the high end. Newer trailers conform to modern energy standards and are well insulated. They are also well laid out, plenty of storage space and very attractive inside. This thing makes no sense from an economic or comfort standpoint unless your over-riding goal is to build it yourself. As someone who has a full hobby machine shop in his garage, I still won't go and make what I can just go buy when the bought product is so good and so cheap compared to the effort to re-make my own.

TommyymmoT

2013-04-15 02:01:15 AM

Living in a backyard shed with wheels is nothing to feel smug about.
I for one, am not jealous.

harlock

2013-04-15 02:04:09 AM

redsquid: Do any of these people have hobbies? If he's a contractor where are his tools? If your house is too small there's a diminishing return. There's no storage so there's no savings buying in bulk. You don't have room to store tools so you have to hire out for repairs and maintenance. Storage limitations also mean that items can't be stored for reuse or recycling. It may be great if you're a consumer with a passive home life, but for people with hobbies or home based businesses, it's a nightmare.

Yep, basically the hipster life style. That's the one constant I've noticed between all these people, they don't DO things other than sit on their laptop drinking a mocha in their spare time. And a lot of them try to force that extreme minimalist urban lifestyle on everyone.

fisker

2013-04-15 02:05:01 AM

What a couple of motherf*ckers.

HotWingAgenda

2013-04-15 02:05:39 AM

At 204 square feet, it's a tight squeeze. *snip* The Caverlys' home is 24 feet by 8 feet

Imagine my quizzical dog face. Are they living in a Tardis? And the fact that they were only paying $1,500/month in the first place, for a f*cking three bedroom house, makes me bitter about paying nearly $1,000 for a single bedroom ground floor apartment without a reserved parking space.

Also, no mention of how they do their laundry. They probably drive to and from a laundromat, eat takeout all the time, and generally just use the place for sleeping and relaxing on weekends.

fisker

2013-04-15 02:07:15 AM

harlock: Yep, basically the hipster life style. That's the one constant I've noticed between all these people, they don't DO things other than sit on their laptop drinking a mocha in their spare time. And a lot of them try to force that extreme minimalist urban lifestyle on everyone.

Do you follow these people around 24 hours a day?

archichris

2013-04-15 02:09:22 AM

I hope they have to pay to dump their poo. My water/sanitation bills are approaching $48,0000 per year on 120 units. If they are using some sort of free black water waste dump they are stealing from the rest of us.

Ownership of a rev counter is theft from the people!

jtown

2013-04-15 02:13:18 AM

They're selling a replica of their own home for $48,000 and they can take custom orders, as well.

I just checked a nearby RV dealer's inventory. Not a single brand new travel trailer for over $39,999. And that's the asking price. Nobody pays the asking price. And that one has about 350 square feet not counting slide-outs. And it's designed from the wheels up to be towed down the freeway without falling apart. Most travel trailers run about half that. And you don't have to spend months building it. Just go down, write a check, tow it away.

archichris

2013-04-15 02:13:59 AM

harlock: RottNDude: 48k can get you a luxury 5th wheel with multiple slideouts and a bathroom where you don't need to shiat in the shower. This is just hipster attention whoring at its finest.

Came to say this. It's a false savings that makes no economic sense. I can only wish I had $48k to spend on a travel trailer, I spent $9k buying a used trailer that cost $27k when new, and it's still nicer than that homebrew. The part where it gets rough is the plumbing. The bathroom in any 5th wheel, TT or motorhome is nicer than that one.

The fact is that the RV industry has been evolving nice products since the 1930s. They're gotten really good at it. You can buy cheap but nice looking stuff on the low end, and nice and nice looking stuff on the high end. Newer trailers conform to modern energy standards and are well insulated. They are also well laid out, plenty of storage space and very attractive inside. This thing makes no sense from an economic or comfort standpoint unless your over-riding goal is to build it yourself. As someone who has a full hobby machine shop in his garage, I still won't go and make what I can just go buy when the bought product is so good and so cheap compared to the effort to re-make my own.

Im selling an awesome 25' (28') travel trailer with everything you need for any weather. We've camped in sub 30 degree weather and been perfectly cozy with the heat set at 68 degrees in the camper. Wake up in the middle of the night and you dont even have to get dressed to use the bathroom, make a cup of tea, check the email on the laptop with the portable 3g hotspot......

You'd be amazed at how comfortable you can be while everyone else in the campground is huddled in a tent trying to hold the pee until morning so they dont have to get dressed in the cold and walk to the restroom. Im my case the cold people were all my relatives who insisted on tent camping (east coast liberals trying to get by on an econo-car and public transport)

First 10k takes it. ;-)

archichris

2013-04-15 02:14:36 AM

jtown: They're selling a replica of their own home for $48,000 and they can take custom orders, as well.

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I just checked a nearby RV dealer's inventory. Not a single brand new travel trailer for over $39,999. And that's the asking price. Nobody pays the asking price. And that one has about 350 square feet not counting slide-outs. And it's designed from the wheels up to be towed down the freeway without falling apart. Most travel trailers run about half that. And you don't have to spend months building it. Just go down, write a check, tow it away.

I'll sell you one for 10k......

super_grass

2013-04-15 02:14:44 AM

Is this the hipster response to trailer trash now?

At least not getting the latest or greatest consumer goods and not making your abode take as much room as possible "in" again.

Catlike Typist

2013-04-15 02:14:58 AM

The smug is tucked up in her uterus. One pregnancy will displace it.

neongoats

2013-04-15 02:15:11 AM

I mean, I get the criticism of the craftsmanship, not the criticism of the life choice. That being: "living someplace small and cheap and less materialistically". They are young newlyweds in the young newlywed job market, I would think most farkers would consider it wise to live frugally.

Don't be jelly that you fell for the Bush Era job market and patriotically got suckered into a mortgage 3x as big as your house was worth, and then spend the rest of your life hating people that chose to live within their means.

My guess is that a few years of this, a few years of saving, and a few years of stable jobs will simply have them buy a plot of land nearby to plant their little tiny house on. And then they'll build a cabin or something. And probably have kids. And be just like everyone else, and all the "dirty hipster.. nyah!" whiners will feel dumb.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom

2013-04-15 02:16:26 AM

archichris: I hope they have to pay to dump their poo. My water/sanitation bills are approaching $48,0000 per year on 120 units. If they are using some sort of free black water waste dump they are stealing from the rest of us.

Ownership of a rev counter is theft from the people!

I'm pretty sure the "plumbing" in that death trap is just a PVC pipe opening down onto the street.

homelessdude

2013-04-15 02:16:27 AM

This is really nothing new. The Tiny House movement has been going on for years and people have been living in vans...........including a certain motivational speaker down by the river.

Nice to see the NY Daily News is on top of the trends.

Dumb-Ass-Monkey

2013-04-15 02:18:05 AM

RottNDude: 48k can get you a luxury 5th wheel with multiple slideouts and a bathroom where you don't need to shiat in the shower. This is just hipster attention whoring at its finest.

Sh*t, RVTrader.com has a good amount of used 5th wheelers, bigger better and nicer than this wheeled cabin, for under ten grand. This is just a couple who wanted to prove they could live cheaper by spending 4, 5 times what they could have. I am whelmed by their story.

redsquid

2013-04-15 02:18:30 AM

I didn't catch the 48k spiel the first time. What a joke. I could work miracles with 48k and have a bathroom that doesn't look like space prison. I wonder what the weight of that monstrosity is? It can't compare with a well designed aluminum and composite frame. It isn't very aerodynamic, either. Ugh. If your going the towable route, re-fit a horse trailer for a fraction of the cost in a much better towing package.

archichris

2013-04-15 02:18:35 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: archichris: I hope they have to pay to dump their poo. My water/sanitation bills are approaching $48,0000 per year on 120 units. If they are using some sort of free black water waste dump they are stealing from the rest of us.

Ownership of a rev counter is theft from the people!

I'm pretty sure the "plumbing" in that death trap is just a PVC pipe opening down onto the street.

I just read the article, incinerating toilet.....lmao. The amount of money I would pay NOT TO HAVE TO SET FIRE TO MY POO IN MY OWN HOME is higher than he 48k they want for that thing.

Betep

2013-04-15 02:18:41 AM

Meh. I lived on a sailboat for a few years. Better Babe-Magnet.

neongoats

2013-04-15 02:20:38 AM

archichris: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: archichris: I hope they have to pay to dump their poo. My water/sanitation bills are approaching $48,0000 per year on 120 units. If they are using some sort of free black water waste dump they are stealing from the rest of us.

Ownership of a rev counter is theft from the people!

I'm pretty sure the "plumbing" in that death trap is just a PVC pipe opening down onto the street.

I just read the article, incinerating toilet.....lmao. The amount of money I would pay NOT TO HAVE TO SET FIRE TO MY POO IN MY OWN HOME is higher than he 48k they want for that thing.

Hahaha. I know, but the imagery it evokes is hilarious to me. I wonder if that's what provides the winter heat. I picture them huddling around a flaming tasty swirl shaped poo.

archichris

2013-04-15 02:21:02 AM

redsquid: I didn't catch the 48k spiel the first time. What a joke. I could work miracles with 48k and have a bathroom that doesn't look like space prison. I wonder what the weight of that monstrosity is? It can't compare with a well designed aluminum and composite frame. It isn't very aerodynamic, either. Ugh. If your going the towable route, re-fit a horse trailer for a fraction of the cost in a much better towing package.

I could actually use my vacation club membership to rent condominiums for about $800 a month with zero utilities and nothing to tow. They have an excess inventory list, anything on it is $200 a week.

neongoats

2013-04-15 02:21:33 AM

Betep: Meh. I lived on a sailboat for a few years. Better Babe-Magnet.

I liked the houseboat MacGuyver lived in.

archichris

2013-04-15 02:21:40 AM

neongoats: archichris: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: archichris: I hope they have to pay to dump their poo. My water/sanitation bills are approaching $48,0000 per year on 120 units. If they are using some sort of free black water waste dump they are stealing from the rest of us.

Ownership of a rev counter is theft from the people!

I'm pretty sure the "plumbing" in that death trap is just a PVC pipe opening down onto the street.

I just read the article, incinerating toilet.....lmao. The amount of money I would pay NOT TO HAVE TO SET FIRE TO MY POO IN MY OWN HOME is higher than he 48k they want for that thing.

Hahaha. I know, but the imagery it evokes is hilarious to me. I wonder if that's what provides the winter heat. I picture them huddling around a flaming tasty swirl shaped poo.

There is a tiny heater parked on the living room wall. Bet it makes for some amusing middle of the night arm burns.

TommyymmoT

2013-04-15 02:22:11 AM

THIS.
Materials cost a lot these days as well.
Just a road worthy chassis, frame, wheels, axles, and towing attachments will run a few thousand.
I also own tools like a drill press, band saw, table saw, etc etc.
I also have guitars, keyboards, amps, recording equipment and a host of other amusements that I enjoy owning, and use quite often.
To me, living like that would be like giving up on life.

ElizaDoolittle

2013-04-15 02:25:06 AM

I love pictures of folks living in small spaces with impeccable design standards.

These folks are living in a very small trailer with no design standards.

msupf

2013-04-15 02:25:54 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Fano: I'm pretty sure I could buy a shed of equal size from Home Depot and live in it, saving thousands that they charge for their brilliant advice.

I honestly thought of it once. There are some pretty nice kits out there that could be insulated appropriately, and could also be modified to travel on a trailer frame I'm sure. I was only thinking in terms of the tiny house concept, though - and there are shed kit that would do much better than this, including a loft for sleeping and much better framing.

yup, i agree. we are looking into a loft shed for use as a cottage on some land we own in northern michigan.
Right now we have it figured at about 15k all told for the shed, placing more efficient (and extra) windows in it, insulation, putting in a bathroom, and adding a little out-building for housing utility hookups and such.
Just have to see what kind of permitting we need and what needs to be done to make it pass inspection.

Dumb-Ass-Monkey

2013-04-15 02:27:40 AM

This is what $48,000 can get you

2011 Bighorn 3585rl w/ 3 slide outs. 4 point auto leveling w/ hydraulic landing gear (only takes minutes to set up). Leather sofa and recliners, ceiling fan, fireplace, FM/CD/DVD player with built in iPod dock w/ surround sound (also has speakers in the bedroom), 40 LCD in living room, 19 lcd in bedroom that can also be removed and used for outside viewing, 2 a/c units, cherry glazed cabinets, double sink with spray faucet, 9cu ft refrigerator w/ ice maker, slide out pantry, convection microwave/oven, extra storage in hallway, king size bed, washer/dryer prep, and central vacuum. So many more features to mention... see last picture for full listing. Still have all the manuals for appliances and other info from original purchase. We have enjoyed every minute in this camper and have treated it with love and care. Currently have rugs in the living room and hallways to protect carpet, will convey if wanted. Feel free to contact with any questions. Available for showing if interested. 2010 Dodge Ram 2500 Laramie, possibility for sale if tow vehicle needed. $48,000.00

redsquid

2013-04-15 02:29:28 AM

TommyymmoT: To me, living like that would be like giving up on life.

OMG hipsters are just early onset retirees! Mind blown!

I'm a part time artist , part time handy man looking to transition to full time artist doing regional festivals so a decent towable home would be awesome, but I'd need a home base with room for a shop. A 1,000 sqft steel building that I could back the whole trailer into would be ideal.

burghboy

2013-04-15 02:31:09 AM

neongoats: Don't be jelly that you fell for the Bush Era job market and patriotically got suckered into a mortgage 3x as big as your house was worth,

"Jelly"? Really?

You don't need to live in a ridiculously large house and drive a ridiculously large vehicle to look down on smug impracticality.

ElizaDoolittle

2013-04-15 02:32:48 AM

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: This is what $48,000 can get you

2011 Bighorn 3585rl w/ 3 slide outs. 4 point auto leveling w/ hydraulic landing gear (only takes minutes to set up). Leather sofa and recliners, ceiling fan, fireplace, FM/CD/DVD player with built in iPod dock w/ surround sound (also has speakers in the bedroom), 40 LCD in living room, 19 lcd in bedroom that can also be removed and used for outside viewing, 2 a/c units, cherry glazed cabinets, double sink with spray faucet, 9cu ft refrigerator w/ ice maker, slide out pantry, convection microwave/oven, extra storage in hallway, king size bed, washer/dryer prep, and central vacuum. So many more features to mention... see last picture for full listing. Still have all the manuals for appliances and other info from original purchase. We have enjoyed every minute in this camper and have treated it with love and care. Currently have rugs in the living room and hallways to protect carpet, will convey if wanted. Feel free to contact with any questions. Available for showing if interested. 2010 Dodge Ram 2500 Laramie, possibility for sale if tow vehicle needed. $48,000.00

So, for $48k, ... tacky?

TommyymmoT

2013-04-15 02:34:02 AM

Carrie Caverly uses her laptop to find a new husband while she ponders why life let her down.

thisiszombocom

2013-04-15 02:34:18 AM

Bloody pikies

Dumb-Ass-Monkey

2013-04-15 02:35:14 AM

ElizaDoolittle: So, for $48k, ... tacky?

well, yeah, but totally loaded with every possible creature comfort you could ever want, and a few you didn't know you wanted. Hell, until I looked at that ad, I had no idea that you could get a sleep number sofa bed.

doosh

2013-04-15 02:38:57 AM

If they're living in AZ & NM (and not the high elevations where there's snow) why would they opt for a pitched roof? A flat roof would make more sense.

And they need to get some solar panels.

neongoats

2013-04-15 02:40:08 AM

burghboy: You don't need to live in a ridiculously large house and drive a ridiculously large vehicle to look down on smug impracticality.

impractical for you. Seems like they make it work for them. *shrug*

Not sure where you got from out of the article though. Although admittedly I feel pretty smug myself when I get a tiny utility bill.

SpdrJay

2013-04-15 02:42:06 AM

Pfffft!

I live in the box my flat screen TV came in.

I hid it under the neighbors house and nobody knows....

.... just me and my phone, posting on Fark.....all day long.....

Summer Glau's Love Slave

2013-04-15 02:42:10 AM

And do you know who else had a tiny, DIY home?

/That's right.
//Helen Keller.
///I loved her book.

KrispyKritter

2013-04-15 02:45:07 AM

archichris: harlock: RottNDude: 48k can get you a luxury 5th wheel with multiple slideouts and a bathroom where you don't need to shiat in the shower. This is just hipster attention whoring at its finest.

Came to say this. It's a false savings that makes no economic sense. I can only wish I had $48k to spend on a travel trailer, I spent $9k buying a used trailer that cost $27k when new, and it's still nicer than that homebrew. The part where it gets rough is the plumbing. The bathroom in any 5th wheel, TT or motorhome is nicer than that one.

The fact is that the RV industry has been evolving nice products since the 1930s. They're gotten really good at it. You can buy cheap but nice looking stuff on the low end, and nice and nice looking stuff on the high end. Newer trailers conform to modern energy standards and are well insulated. They are also well laid out, plenty of storage space and very attractive inside. This thing makes no sense from an economic or comfort standpoint unless your over-riding goal is to build it yourself. As someone who has a full hobby machine shop in his garage, I still won't go and make what I can just go buy when the bought product is so good and so cheap compared to the effort to re-make my own.

Im selling an awesome 25' (28') travel trailer with everything you need for any weather. We've camped in sub 30 degree weather and been perfectly cozy with the heat set at 68 degrees in the camper. Wake up in the middle of the night and you dont even have to get dressed to use the bathroom, make a cup of tea, check the email on the laptop with the portable 3g hotspot......

You'd be amazed at how comfortable you can be while everyone else in the campground is huddled in a tent trying to hold the pee until morning so they dont have to get dressed in the cold and walk to the restroom. Im my case the cold people were all my relatives who insisted on tent camping (east coast liberals trying to get by on an econo-car and public transpo ...

what you do has nothing to do with camping. you're well aware of that but enjoy bragging about how wonderful your life is. to people who don't know you and could care less. you've pretty well redefined dooshbag. "My water/sanitation bills are approaching $48,0000 per year on 120 units." Dooshbag.

wildcardjack

2013-04-15 02:48:11 AM

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: RottNDude: 48k can get you a luxury 5th wheel with multiple slideouts and a bathroom where you don't need to shiat in the shower. This is just hipster attention whoring at its finest.

Sh*t, RVTrader.com has a good amount of used 5th wheelers, bigger better and nicer than this wheeled cabin, for under ten grand. This is just a couple who wanted to prove they could live cheaper by spending 4, 5 times what they could have. I am whelmed by their story.

Don't forget $30k for a good truck, like an F-350. And the cost of fuel for moving around.

Next hipster thing: converted school busses. Actually, those have a bunch of CNG mods.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom

2013-04-15 02:48:27 AM

neongoats: burghboy: You don't need to live in a ridiculously large house and drive a ridiculously large vehicle to look down on smug impracticality.

impractical for you. Seems like they make it work for them. *shrug*

Not sure where you got from out of the article though. Although admittedly I feel pretty smug myself when I get a tiny utility bill.

" Their goal is to eventually build an off-the-grid house on their own plot of land and use their tiny home as a studio"

Yeah, it's so practical for them they're planning on building a house and using their current shanty as a studio.

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves

2013-04-15 02:48:41 AM

When the house is a-rockin'
Don't come a-knockin'

duenor

2013-04-15 02:50:53 AM

I dream of owning a piece of land outside of los angeles, just maybe about an acre or so. a small cabin, and a hand pump well.

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves

2013-04-15 02:50:56 AM

Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXKqdi0Wp0E

Dire

2013-04-15 02:53:12 AM

I would be happy with about 750 square feet, on a foundation, with lath and plaster walls, a bathtub, and a tiny bit of land for a yard, small garden, etc. Add a basement that I could use for loud music without disturbing neighbors, and I'd never want to move again (assuming the neighborhood doen't turn to shiat). I don't ever want to live in a trailer, or anyplace smaller than the tiny studio where I live now for that matter...

msupf

2013-04-15 02:54:08 AM

Great noodley appendage! Their blog/website is sad, do not go look at it, even for laughs.

Then again, maybe go to it and troll them for their ripping others off with their inefficient $48k floor plan

TommyymmoT

2013-04-15 02:55:10 AM

SpdrJay: Pfffft!

I live in the box my flat screen TV came in.

I hid it under the neighbors house and nobody knows....

.... just me and my phone, posting on Fark.....all day long.....

Hey, I told you to go with a CRT instead of a flat screen, but did you listen?
You could have had a guest room.

Rocknutts

2013-04-15 02:59:25 AM

But where is Bubbles?

neongoats

2013-04-15 03:00:42 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: " Their goal is to eventually build an off-the-grid house on their own plot of land and use their tiny home as a studio"

Yeah, it's so practical for them they're planning on building a house and using their current shanty as a studio.

And that's impractical? You mean, they have an idea in their head of a time where they might want to settle down, but aren't quite there yet, so they'll live on the cheap until they find where they want to stay.

Odd, that strikes me as practical if you are young enough and unsettled enough to want to spend a few years exploring the US before settling down.

neongoats

2013-04-15 03:01:46 AM

TommyymmoT: SpdrJay: Pfffft!

I live in the box my flat screen TV came in.

I hid it under the neighbors house and nobody knows....

.... just me and my phone, posting on Fark.....all day long.....

Hey, I told you to go with a CRT instead of a flat screen, but did you listen?
You could have had a guest room.

But the CRT can double as a space heater!

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom

2013-04-15 03:03:19 AM

neongoats: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: " Their goal is to eventually build an off-the-grid house on their own plot of land and use their tiny home as a studio"

Yeah, it's so practical for them they're planning on building a house and using their current shanty as a studio.

And that's impractical? You mean, they have an idea in their head of a time where they might want to settle down, but aren't quite there yet, so they'll live on the cheap until they find where they want to stay.

Odd, that strikes me as practical if you are young enough and unsettled enough to want to spend a few years exploring the US before settling down.

Are these friends of yours? I'm just going by the info in the article, you seem to have some inside info I'm not privy to.

Khazar-Khum

2013-04-15 03:09:14 AM

harlock: redsquid: Do any of these people have hobbies? If he's a contractor where are his tools? If your house is too small there's a diminishing return. There's no storage so there's no savings buying in bulk. You don't have room to store tools so you have to hire out for repairs and maintenance. Storage limitations also mean that items can't be stored for reuse or recycling. It may be great if you're a consumer with a passive home life, but for people with hobbies or home based businesses, it's a nightmare.

Yep, basically the hipster life style. That's the one constant I've noticed between all these people, they don't DO things other than sit on their laptop drinking a mocha in their spare time. And a lot of them try to force that extreme minimalist urban lifestyle on everyone.

She's a writer with a special blog. That's how they live now-her blogging. That $130/year for utilities can almost be covered by their blog revenue, just as long as Mom & Dad help out with the other $128.74.

neongoats

2013-04-15 03:12:10 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: neongoats: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: " Their goal is to eventually build an off-the-grid house on their own plot of land and use their tiny home as a studio"

Yeah, it's so practical for them they're planning on building a house and using their current shanty as a studio.

And that's impractical? You mean, they have an idea in their head of a time where they might want to settle down, but aren't quite there yet, so they'll live on the cheap until they find where they want to stay.

Odd, that strikes me as practical if you are young enough and unsettled enough to want to spend a few years exploring the US before settling down.

Are these friends of yours? I'm just going by the info in the article, you seem to have some inside info I'm not privy to.

How so? I was responding to your copypasta of part of the article.

They ultimately want to find a place to build a cabin and live even more off the grid. They'll use their tow shanty as a studio or something.

What inside info is this? You mean my inference that they are a young couple? Well, the pictures aren't that high res, but they certainly don't look old or middle aged. That they want to travel and see some of the US? I think putting your f'ing house on a trailer is pretty indicative of that. They drive a big pickup truck.

Sorry, just don't see "hipster" in there, but I'm admittedly not going to google their blog and stalk their lives.

Your Average Witty Fark User

2013-04-15 03:13:30 AM

SilentStrider: Hey, if they can pull it off, more power to them.

THIS.

And F subtard.

ElizaDoolittle

2013-04-15 03:29:05 AM

http://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2011-Heartland-Bighorn-3585rl-1085998 3 9

^^ That's the husband she wants rid of, photobombing the ad because he couldn't get his ass off the uncovered mattress they want you to buy for the two seconds it took to take the picture.

Do not want.

neongoats

2013-04-15 03:33:08 AM

ElizaDoolittle: http://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2011-Heartland-Bighorn-3585rl-1085998 3 9

^^ That's the husband she wants rid of, photobombing the ad because he couldn't get his ass off the uncovered mattress they want you to buy for the two seconds it took to take the picture.

Do not want.

I like that kitchen.

burghboy

2013-04-15 03:34:03 AM

Impractical = building their own POS when they could have gotten something much, much nicer for the same amount of money, as pointed out by several others. But buying a travel trailer is so "establishment" and Bush Era. If I make it myself, somehow that makes me superior.

DigitalCoffee

2013-04-15 03:39:57 AM

What's the point of having the sliding glass door right next to the regular door?

neongoats

2013-04-15 03:48:33 AM

burghboy: But buying a travel trailer is so "establishment" and Bush Era. If I make it myself, somehow that makes me superior.

That's the dumbest shiat ever. If you thought you saw a faded yellow "support our troops" sticker on the back of their giant pickup, you would probably call them bootstrappy pioneers, giving up many of the trappings of the liberal system to live a simpler, more fiscally conservative existence.

But no, someone used the most meaningless label word of the 21st century on them, so they are obviously useless gypsies that are going to steal your children and do a shiatty mending job on your pots. Can someone want to live in a different style than you without being labeled as smug?

neongoats

2013-04-15 03:49:09 AM

DigitalCoffee: What's the point of having the sliding glass door right next to the regular door?

Cat needs something to run into. That's entertainment for po folks.

Rik01

2013-04-15 03:49:47 AM

I saw those things when they first came out a couple of years ago.

The one's I saw looked like tiny cabins and they uses smaller strips of wood. There was a tiny wood burning stove in each and both had covered 'front' porches.

They were so cool!

I fantasize about going out of state to someplace like Georgia or Kentucky, finding several acres of nice, wooded not Florida flat, land and putting a couple of those cabins there. I could join them with an enclosed passage, doors at both ends, for myself or guests. (That way, there'd be privacy and limited crowding, plus weather protection when going back and forth.)

I could set them on cement slabs and anchor them in place. A nearby stream or well would provide water. A generator and/or solar power would produce electricity. During the cold winters, that little wood burning stove would be magnificent.

I could sit inside or on the porch and enjoy the solitude and beauty of nature. No more cars and noisy cycles blasting by every couple of minutes, no more Saturdays of 7:00 am roars of string trimmers, lawn mowers, circular saws, hammers and boat motors.

To get the same peace here in Florida I'd have to buy nearly 25 acres -- at $20,000 an acre. Then I'd have to put up with the yearly hurricanes and high property taxes.

A cabin in the woods even as a vacation home would be wonderful. I might even see swarms of fireflies again -- something which no longer happens in my heavily developed area. I could walk for hours in wild woods without palmettos, visit lakes and streams that aren't infested with gators, see trees that aren't just pine and oak.

And rocks. Real boulders poking out of the ground. Maybe search the creeks for gemstones.

Maybe Colorful butterflies and great clouds of Dragonflies again. You don't find them around here that much anymore.

Just people. Stinking, noisy, nosey people.

If necessary, I could buy one of those big, prefab sheds to store surplus stuff in. I'm not a big home craftsman, so I don't have drill presses, table saws, long work tables and walls of tools.

A tiny cabin in the wild woods.

Seems like heaven to me. Guests could come up, spend some time and go.

/(Sigh!) I can dream, can't I?

super_grass

2013-04-15 03:50:03 AM

neongoats: burghboy: But buying a travel trailer is so "establishment" and Bush Era. If I make it myself, somehow that makes me superior.

That's the dumbest shiat ever. If you thought you saw a faded yellow "support our troops" sticker on the back of their giant pickup, you would probably call them bootstrappy pioneers, giving up many of the trappings of the liberal system to live a simpler, more fiscally conservative existence.

But no, someone used the most meaningless label word of the 21st century on them, so they are obviously useless gypsies that are going to steal your children and do a shiatty mending job on your pots. Can someone want to live in a different style than you without being labeled as smug?

No.

ktybear

2013-04-15 04:09:51 AM

A bus would be better.

neongoats

2013-04-15 04:10:44 AM

burghboy: neongoats: burghboy: You don't need to live in a ridiculously large house and drive a ridiculously large vehicle to look down on smug impracticality.

impractical for you. Seems like they make it work for them. *shrug*

Not sure where you got from out of the article though. Although admittedly I feel pretty smug myself when I get a tiny utility bill.

Impractical = building their own POS when they could have gotten something much, much nicer for the same amount of money, as pointed out by several others. But buying a travel trailer is so "establishment" and Bush Era. If I make it myself, somehow that makes me superior.

I didn't find in the article where it COST THEM 48k to build their house, btw. That's just what they are charging for a replica.

drxym

2013-04-15 04:12:25 AM

I'd love a tiny house like that to myself but I think if I had to live with somebody else that one of us would be standing over the other with a bloodied knife before a week was out. Zero personal space.

neongoats

2013-04-15 04:13:06 AM

ktybear: A bus would be better.

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You ever see Captain Ron?

That made me think of the crashed airplane hull/taco stand. I liked the trippy couch cushions.

sithon

2013-04-15 04:16:19 AM

http://vancouver.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-RVs-campers-trailers-RVs-m o torhomes-2013-Keystone-laredo-fifth-wheel-250rl-W0QQAdIdZ466188703

INeedAName

2013-04-15 04:33:25 AM

Honestly, it's not much smaller the apt my wife and I live in. We've definitely got more sq footage, but it's a negligible difference. The kitchen is one corner of the living room, and there's a bedroom and bathroom and a walk in closet.

It's tight, but we make it work. And it's been pretty good for us thus far, but we're looking forward to moving into something bigger.

ChemicalChance

2013-04-15 04:38:33 AM

I really don't understand the hate. My husband and I could do that easily. It has a kitchen, a bedroom, and a living room. They live in a warm climate. We'd have to have a storage unit for some of my books and some of his instruments. But seriously - you can cook/eat, have sex, engage in most individual hobbies as well as do things like play chess, and have electronic entertainment. Childless couples do not need any more than that. People all over the world live in close quarters with far fewer creature comforts than that. Perhaps their design isn't the most judicious use of money/space, but the concept is good.

That said, I don't think the unit cost them 48,000; I think that's what they're charging. Which is wishful thinking.

TommyymmoT

2013-04-15 04:43:58 AM

ChemicalChance: I really don't understand the hate. My husband and I could do that easily. It has a kitchen, a bedroom, and a living room. They live in a warm climate. We'd have to have a storage unit for some of my books and some of his instruments. But seriously - you can cook/eat, have sex, engage in most individual hobbies as well as do things like play chess, and have electronic entertainment. Childless couples do not need any more than that. People all over the world live in close quarters with far fewer creature comforts than that. Perhaps their design isn't the most judicious use of money/space, but the concept is good.

That said, I don't think the unit cost them 48,000; I think that's what they're charging. Which is wishful thinking.

But what good are the books or instruments if they're in a storage locker someplace, and you hardly ever get to use them?

sn0wblind

2013-04-15 04:49:56 AM

this could work...

(if your wardrobe is nothing but t-shirts and you eat nothing but pre-packaged meals)

FunkOut

2013-04-15 04:51:14 AM

Must be nice to be able to sit on the toilet and poop while being able to reach the stove and fry eggs at the same time.

neongoats

2013-04-15 04:52:06 AM

I'm attracted to the concept myself(though not really their implementation of it). I'm generally a freelancer/independent contractor. I could go where the good contract is, and not feel bound to some kind of life changing across country move. Currently have a disabled parent who lives with me in a "Frasier" style situation though, so it's mostly just a wistful, impractical fantasy, heh.

Froggy

2013-04-15 04:52:47 AM

For $48,000 you can buy 3 houses here in the city of Cleveland and still have enough money left over to replace all of the copper pipe and aluminum siding that's been stolen and sold for scrap.

(disclaimer: I kinda stole that bit from Mike Polk Jr.)

neongoats

2013-04-15 04:58:30 AM

Froggy: For $48,000 you can buy 3 houses here in the city of Cleveland and still have enough money left over to replace all of the copper pipe and aluminum siding that's been stolen and sold for scrap.

(disclaimer: I kinda stole that bit from Mike Polk Jr.)

Yeah, but then you have to live in Cleveland.

/Melt is damn good food
//and Christmas Ale is lovely

GungFu

2013-04-15 05:17:11 AM

For those critical of the price they are selling for their customised homes...

Tiny Home = $15,000
Smug Infusion = $33,000

Seems fair.

thamike

2013-04-15 05:22:00 AM

They've gone from paying $1,500 monthly mortgage to $350 a month INCLUDING utilities
So, they moved to 1997?

knobmaker

2013-04-15 05:26:13 AM

neongoats: I mean, I get the criticism of the craftsmanship, not the criticism of the life choice. That being: "living someplace small and cheap and less materialistically". They are young newlyweds in the young newlywed job market, I would think most farkers would consider it wise to live frugally.

Don't be jelly that you fell for the Bush Era job market and patriotically got suckered into a mortgage 3x as big as your house was worth, and then spend the rest of your life hating people that chose to live within their means.

My guess is that a few years of this, a few years of saving, and a few years of stable jobs will simply have them buy a plot of land nearby to plant their little tiny house on. And then they'll build a cabin or something. And probably have kids. And be just like everyone else, and all the "dirty hipster.. nyah!" whiners will feel dumb.

No they won't. You can't fix stupid.

Lots more smug in the thread than in that tiny house.

planes

2013-04-15 05:35:13 AM

They've already invented these things, they're called motorhomes. Here is my 240 square feet.

CeroX

2013-04-15 05:41:28 AM

I'd say whatever they paid for their place was worth making you people loose your shiat over it...

For a bunch of boot-strappy independents, most of you seem to be happy embracing the overindulged home-a-rama houses and HOAs that come with them...

I say good on them for getting out there and doing something constructive and being happy... the rest of you can sulk in your cul-de-sac while trying to maintain a 2" tall yard and yelling at friends not to park on street or on the grass out of fear of the dictatorship you signed into so your property wouldn't become devalued by brown people...

thisisarepeat

2013-04-15 05:43:00 AM

There is a two story "shed" (about 1,000 sq ft.) in the home depot parking lot that they will have a contractor build on site for $9,000 (ridiculous). Though, after plumbing, hvac, appliances, insulation, electric meter and roadside furniture (don't look at me like that, you live in a shed) you're looking at, A FARK OF A LOT LESS THAN 50K!

FunkOut

2013-04-15 05:45:42 AM

planes: [www.mytripjournal.com image 643x480]

They've already invented these things, they're called motorhomes. Here is my 240 square feet.

Plus you can take that baby to a different view AND get burgers whenever you like.

i upped my meds-up yours

2013-04-15 05:47:43 AM

Trouble is, when you are in that baby, everywhere you take it is NASCAR without the noise.

FunkOut

2013-04-15 05:49:15 AM

i upped my meds-up yours: Trouble is, when you are in that baby, everywhere you take it is NASCAR without the noise.

But the vrooming noises are the best part. Are you left with only Velveeta sandwiches then?

thisisarepeat

2013-04-15 05:52:44 AM

i upped my meds-up yours: Trouble is, when you are in that baby, everywhere you take it is NASCAR without the noise.

I think I know where you live, and you have my sympathies. May NASCAR die the silent yet rapid death that boxing endured, YESTERDAY! Before I moved here, I had no feelings either way about NASCAR.

cryinoutloud

2013-04-15 06:14:51 AM

That's a pretty expensive rig they have there to pull their tiny house. I wonder how much they had to pay for that to pull their tiny house around? Otherwise, they could be driving a tiny car.

cirby

2013-04-15 06:15:33 AM

CeroX:
For a bunch of boot-strappy independents, most of you seem to be happy embracing the overindulged home-a-rama houses and HOAs that come with them...

Funny - from most of the comments here, I see a lot of folks who easily come up with very non-HOA solutions that are much cheaper and better than the overindulged (though tiny) thing featured in the article.

gnoshyt_sherlocque

2013-04-15 06:41:15 AM

Why not just use a freight container? I've seen some that have been converted to living space and they are quite nice and well contstructed.

Koodz

2013-04-15 06:42:02 AM

Let's see, they met in 2009, got married some time in the last year...carry the 1...

Don't worry, Fark. The Principle of Impending Female Sphericality says within three years she won't fit through the door any more and they'll be back in a real house.

OregonVet

2013-04-15 06:43:09 AM

Ima go with noooo. My bedroom is bigger than that thing. Hell, my sunroom is. The cost per square foot on their POS is probably higher too.
/not doing math on tax day

Hawnkee

2013-04-15 06:43:19 AM

Unimpressed:

Tat'dGreaser

2013-04-15 07:15:10 AM

That's cool and all, good for them but:

"I know what it's like to have a big house with a tremendous amount of stuff," Shane told the New York Daily News. "This culture of acquiring more is not necessarily a healthy way to live."

Why didn't you just buy a smaller house and not buy so much stuff you didn't need? It's called middle-ground

phlatulence

2013-04-15 07:15:54 AM

It's called a caravan fark wits

Milo Minderbinder

2013-04-15 07:19:14 AM

What is it called when one is smug regarding others' smugness? Counter-smug? Anti-smug? Double-smug?

/I am now smug about your counter-smug
//triple smug!
///smug

CeroX

2013-04-15 07:20:02 AM

Milo Minderbinder: What is it called when one is smug regarding others' smugness? Counter-smug? Anti-smug? Double-smug?

/I am now smug about your counter-smug
//triple smug!
///smug

Smug-ception

jtown

2013-04-15 07:46:32 AM

msupf: Benevolent Misanthrope: Fano: I'm pretty sure I could buy a shed of equal size from Home Depot and live in it, saving thousands that they charge for their brilliant advice.

I honestly thought of it once. There are some pretty nice kits out there that could be insulated appropriately, and could also be modified to travel on a trailer frame I'm sure. I was only thinking in terms of the tiny house concept, though - and there are shed kit that would do much better than this, including a loft for sleeping and much better framing.

yup, i agree. we are looking into a loft shed for use as a cottage on some land we own in northern michigan.
Right now we have it figured at about 15k all told for the shed, placing more efficient (and extra) windows in it, insulation, putting in a bathroom, and adding a little out-building for housing utility hookups and such.
Just have to see what kind of permitting we need and what needs to be done to make it pass inspection.

That's why they're building these microhomes on wheels. Gets around the zoning laws. Most communities have minimum square footage requirements for permanent dwellings. Back in the 90s, an aunt and uncle wanted to build a small house (800-900 square feet) in a new development but the minimum square footage allowed was 1500 so he put in a big basement that was just finished enough to count towards living space.

Mitch Mitchell

2013-04-15 07:54:24 AM

My work's donw hwerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

I'm no expert but...

2013-04-15 07:57:07 AM

So it's a caravan?

SpectroBoy

2013-04-15 08:02:26 AM

I think it's the little things, like having the sink with no mirror IN the stainless steel shower, that really makes a home feel like a small prison like cell. I bet they make "wine" in the toilet too.

swangoatman

2013-04-15 08:07:05 AM

Catlike Typist: The smug is tucked up in her uterus. One ~~pregnancy~~ FART will displace it.

FTFY

Gordon Bennett

2013-04-15 08:08:15 AM

So they live in the same conditions as anyone who shares a studio flat. Except that those people live that way in order to be able to afford living somewhere highly desirable such as in central London or Manhattan.

These people have chosen to make all of the sacrifice with none of the benefits. Well done.

jtown

2013-04-15 08:09:01 AM

It's not hate. It's exasperation that people are re-inventing the wheel (badly) and it gets treated as a housing revolution. They built tiny houses then found out that their houses don't meet local code requirements. So they got clever and put them on wheels to get around the laws. But we've already had tiny houses on wheels for decades and a lot of refinement has gone into their design. All of those refinements are tossed out the window and people act like pooping in a composting toilet is a step forward for society.

indarwinsshadow

2013-04-15 08:09:43 AM

Great idea. I'm in the process of building a tiny house (that's what they're called, you can purchase plans from tumbleweed houses) on a trailer so I can transport this to and from the lake and I'm selling the cottage. I found out that anything under 800 sq ft you don't have to pay property tax on, just simple land tax. My wife and I are seriously considering getting rid of the house in the next few years and down sizing to one of these.

770 sq ft beauty.

Marcintosh

2013-04-15 08:24:26 AM

news! Arizona couple invents Trailer Trash!

archichris

2013-04-15 08:32:17 AM

KrispyKritter: archichris: harlock: RottNDude: 48k can get you a luxury 5th wheel with multiple slideouts and a bathroom where you don't need to shiat in the shower. This is just hipster attention whoring at its finest.

Came to say this. It's a false savings that makes no economic sense. I can only wish I had $48k to spend on a travel trailer, I spent $9k buying a used trailer that cost $27k when new, and it's still nicer than that homebrew. The part where it gets rough is the plumbing. The bathroom in any 5th wheel, TT or motorhome is nicer than that one.

The fact is that the RV industry has been evolving nice products since the 1930s. They're gotten really good at it. You can buy cheap but nice looking stuff on the low end, and nice and nice looking stuff on the high end. Newer trailers conform to modern energy standards and are well insulated. They are also well laid out, plenty of storage space and very attractive inside. This thing makes no sense from an economic or comfort standpoint unless your over-riding goal is to build it yourself. As someone who has a full hobby machine shop in his garage, I still won't go and make what I can just go buy when the bought product is so good and so cheap compared to the effort to re-make my own.

Im selling an awesome 25' (28') travel trailer with everything you need for any weather. We've camped in sub 30 degree weather and been perfectly cozy with the heat set at 68 degrees in the camper. Wake up in the middle of the night and you dont even have to get dressed to use the bathroom, make a cup of tea, check the email on the laptop with the portable 3g hotspot......

You'd be amazed at how comfortable you can be while everyone else in the campground is huddled in a tent trying to hold the pee until morning so they dont have to get dressed in the cold and walk to the restroom. Im my case the cold people were all my relatives who insisted on tent camping (east coast liberals trying to get by on an econo-car and pu ...

Camping is about taking your kids someplace fun on a budget. And if you only had kids then a tent might work. But when you hit middle age and you have a wife, a tent just isnt going to cut it. We used to tent camp, became an expert on it. Enough of an expert to say with authority that anyone who prefers tent camping to trailer camping is a childless dooshbag who is doing it to prove a point. I hated every second of it honestly, but it was all we could afford to do.

Because you see I have this $48k water and sanitation bill on the 120 units I manage.

Which is also why a travel trailer was no big deal, its just one more unit to maintain. But thats just my profession, lots of people buy them for other reasons.

Mine is for sale if you want to be a comfortable dooshbag too.

pkellmey

2013-04-15 08:36:32 AM

Why is this even an article? This has been the craze for over a decade now. Some of these places look absolutely awesome and it really is interesting how creative they are at using all available space. I don't think I can downsize that small yet, but eventually I'll go that way just for the property tax savings alone. Right now, most of my living is just in one room of my 3 bedroom house, so I can understand how easy it can be done with the right attitude about the situation.

Mellotiger

2013-04-15 08:38:31 AM

No thanks, I can get a three bedroom two bath home for that price around here. If I was inclined to go tiny, I could build it myself for about ten grand.

distopianDream

2013-04-15 08:42:28 AM

indarwinsshadow: Great idea. I'm in the process of building a tiny house (that's what they're called, you can purchase plans from tumbleweed houses) on a trailer so I can transport this to and from the lake and I'm selling the cottage. I found out that anything under 800 sq ft you don't have to pay property tax on, just simple land tax. My wife and I are seriously considering getting rid of the house in the next few years and down sizing to one of these.

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770 sq ft beauty.

I love the small tumbleweed homes. I am in the process of buying a 850 square/2 bedroom house and I am so excited to downsize. Of course, I am only downsizing by 150 square feet. The house comes with a small yard and 2 small garden plots. I still dream of building a 650 square foot Tumbleweed in the country but I'll wait until my sons out of the house for that.

WordyGrrl

2013-04-15 08:43:03 AM

neongoats: CujoQuarrel: So basically they built their own fifth wheel trailer instead of buying one

Yeah heh. I bet they could have refurbed a nice little airstream, or whatever those 50s shiny bullet looking ones are for half the money, and had twice the space.

But then they'd be... ya know... "trailer people."

Mellotiger

2013-04-15 08:43:21 AM

CujoQuarrel: So basically they built their own fifth wheel trailer instead of buying one

No no no, its different because, uh, you see its.....eco.....custom....(trails off into incoherence)
So would you be interested in purchasing one?

Mellotiger

2013-04-15 08:51:46 AM

That's a very reasonable, measured approach to take on the situation and a respectable opinion besides. Unfortunately you lost all credibility with the word "jelly".

jonr

2013-04-15 08:54:45 AM

This is the only "RV" I would ever spend money on (if I had enough for it, that is...)

dkimball

2013-04-15 09:24:56 AM

How did they get into the news? Self promotors..meh.

Yes, RVs and boats. Big whoop, no story here..move along.

DeepDownHounds

2013-04-15 09:33:01 AM

I've had you on my shiat list for over a year after you said something nasty to one of my posts (I have your posts titled "miserable prick" and highlighted in red), and I have never been let down when I see your highlighted posts. You are consistently the biggest butthole in most of the forums. But at least you're consistent, "dooshbag". If I knew you in real life, I would have punched your lights out many times over. I love to silence bigmouth idiots like you. Now it's your turn to threaten me with a gun because you're one of those idiots. Take it away.....

Smackledorfer

2013-04-15 09:51:31 AM

Can we start calling these "tiny home" threads repeats?

The conversations are more tired than spider threads with clock spider posts.

C0rf

2013-04-15 09:51:43 AM

How 'bout the aquatic version? My folks (65 and 63) retired a couple years ago to spend 3 months every year on a boat. In Western Europe. Just about 180 square feet, I believe.

When someplace gets boring, float another dozen km down a canal to a different little town. They LOVE it.

GardenWeasel

2013-04-15 09:59:37 AM

Why are the 2011 models furnished/decorated like it is 1984? Ugh.

Lumpmoose

2013-04-15 10:04:56 AM

C0rf: How 'bout the aquatic version? My folks (65 and 63) retired a couple years ago to spend 3 months every year on a boat. In Western Europe. Just about 180 square feet, I believe.

When someplace gets boring, float another dozen km down a canal to a different little town. They LOVE it.

[oi49.tinypic.com image 800x255]

I think your parents have retirement figured out.

sodomizer

2013-04-15 10:04:57 AM

Actual headline:

Cute couple selling homes at 1/6 the size of an average home for 1/3 the price.

23FPB23

2013-04-15 10:22:39 AM

So weird to wake up to this story!

I was having a dream last night where I was confined with others in a smallish living space.

I had to poop but I was too embarrassed to because others were around.

I'm not kidding!

I May Be Crazy But...

2013-04-15 10:25:55 AM

Maybe I'm just not seeing the smug here. They built a trailer for themselves that seems reasonably comfortable, and they're living out of it. Of course they're proud of it - you or I would be too, if we did something like that.

23FPB23

2013-04-15 10:27:34 AM

Ok, now I look at the story. We (me, wifey, 2 year old, 2 cats) live in a 3 bedroom, 2 bath single wide on a MUCH nicer plot of land and pay a little more than they do. They're just doing it for the smug, or living in AZ is stupid expensive. Either way, wow.

Clint_Torres

2013-04-15 10:31:16 AM

They just probably wanted an RV but did not want to be lumped in with retirees and RV owners. So they made one that looks like a house. But we all really know what this is - it's a mobile home. Next stop is Shiny Pines Trailer Park.

Frantic Freddie

2013-04-15 10:40:47 AM

They're going to buy land in (most likely outside the city limits) Santa Fe? They'd better have deep pockets, that shiat's expensive. Not to mention they'll need water (there are places in this state where, no matter how deep you drill, there is NO water....but you still have to pay the driller), running power can cost up to $100k a mile, septics can run $50k+ if there's rock.

funzyr

2013-04-15 11:04:14 AM

basemetal: At least the inlaws wont spend the night.

Shut up and take my money!

JohnCarter

2013-04-15 11:19:19 AM

Didn't Lucy and Desi do this? It had humorous moments.

madgonad

2013-04-15 11:23:46 AM

Those are pretty neat. I stayed in one for three weeks back in the 90s when I was in the UK. I spent far more on alcohol than on the rental. I would say one thing about living on a boat. Don't do it. Sure, a vacation rental is fun, but there is a reason that people say that a boat is a hole in the water in which you pour money.

fireclown

2013-04-15 11:24:15 AM

C0rf: When someplace gets boring, float another dozen km down a canal to a different little town. They LOVE it.

I've wanted to take a european vacation in one of those for ages, or at least since I spent some time in Cambridge UK and saw the things all the time. How much does mooring set you back? Have your folks ever had problems with breakins? How do sewage and electric work? Is there anywhere in the US where they do that canal thing so I could try it out with lower consequences?

/genuinely curious

ottosmom

2013-04-15 11:27:47 AM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: And do you know who else had a tiny, DIY home?

/That's right.
//Helen Keller.
///I loved her book.

You know, she would have been a Belieber...

Nutsac_Jim

2013-04-15 11:29:34 AM

Thats awesome. Who would have thought that moving into a house that had 1/6 the number of bedrooms would have 1/6 the amount of housing expense.

What this article doesnt mention is the amount of gas and bar costs you go through every month because you no longer have a room in your house you can go to get away from your cohabitant.

bel4sucks

2013-04-15 11:34:11 AM

DeepDownHounds: If I knew you in real life, I would have punched your lights out many times over. I love to silence bigmouth idiots like you. Now it's your turn to threaten me with a gun because you're one of those idiots. Take it away.....

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

texan? Check

Quick to violent outburst even though the situation doesn't remotely call for it (wait, that's just a texan all over again) double check.

And for the best part, from your own profile "I've mellowed considerably. I can't be bothered. "

Too farking funny.

Nutsac_Jim

2013-04-15 11:37:22 AM

Fano: I'm pretty sure I could buy a shed of equal size from Home Depot and live in it, saving thousands that they charge for their brilliant advice.

Of course you can 999$ installed. Buy two rolls of fiberglass while you are at HD and some sheet rock and you are done. With the savings instead of buying the house, you invest the 45k and pay yourself 200 a month, which will pay for the utilities. Now you live at no cost.

When its time to upgrade, you can just buy a larger shed at HD and repeat. You will also now have a nice shed for all your extra stuff

Spend a couple extra dollars for this multi level castle, instead of the sheds that paupers buy at Home Depot.

Nutsac_Jim

2013-04-15 11:43:37 AM

Well, to be fair.. if your AC blows, instead of paying $5000 for a house AC, you just push it out the window and go
get another $99 unit at Home Depot.

I think you would be hard pressed to have this AND a woman. You would have to have one that was goal seeking and wanted to save every dime until she sees 100k in the bank. I cant get mine to stop buying stuff, simply because there is currently money in her bank account. Save for a rainy day ?!?! HAHAHA Thats why she has me.!

bratface

2013-04-15 12:02:05 PM

I did not read all of the comments (who has time), so if I have repeated something, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3FnpaWQJO0!

First off the first two pictures don't look like they came from the same house/trailer?
Second, WHO WOULD PUT A DOG KENNEL IN THE SAME PLACE YOU KEEP YOUR CLOTHING?

Jon iz teh kewl

2013-04-15 12:02:52 PM

namegoeshere

2013-04-15 12:05:31 PM

JohnCarter: Didn't Lucy and Desi do this? It had humorous moments.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 350x241]

LOL that was the best bit they did.

C0rf

2013-04-15 12:29:10 PM

Lumpmoose: I think your parents have retirement figured out.

I'll say. In Alphen aan den Rijn they could park closer to the bar than the cars could:

madgonad: Those are pretty neat. I stayed in one for three weeks back in the 90s when I was in the UK. I spent far more on alcohol than on the rental. I would say one thing about living on a boat. Don't do it. Sure, a vacation rental is fun, but there is a reason that people say that a boat is a hole in the water in which you pour money.

Yeah, my ex-rocket scientist pop has taken up diesel engine repair.

fireclown: I've wanted to take a european vacation in one of those for ages, or at least since I spent some time in Cambridge UK and saw the things all the time. How much does mooring set you back? Have your folks ever had problems with breakins? How do sewage and electric work? Is there anywhere in the US where they do that canal thing so I could try it out with lower consequences?

/genuinely curious

Small towns with no electrical hookups, oftentimes it's free. The middle of Amsterdam or the Arsenal in Paris, I hope you brought your wheelbarrow full of euros. Break-ins, no -- but once somebody slipped their mooring lines in the middle of the night. Police were helpful and sympathetic, chalked it up to drunk teenagers. Electric is solar + engine/alternator + batteries + whatever the berth might provide. I don't know anything about it in the US, but this might be a good place to start.

MrSteve007

2013-04-15 12:29:24 PM

Yep, for about the same price as they're selling their "tiny home" - I live in this most weekends. It has a 2kw inverter + solar panel, propane heater (the same model the couple used in their tiny home) - two 'bedrooms,' can sleep up to six - plus it requires almost zero fuel to get around; 0.5 gph of diesel at a 6 knt cruising speed, or simply use the sails:

Since she's 10 years old and already depreciated when I bought her, I'm sure it'll have a much better investment/loss when compared to a janky, homebuilt 5th wheel.

For $35 a night, the view I had from the back of my boat last weekend was pretty tough to beat:

For the cost of a $128 annual State Park mooring permit, where I can get fresh water and pump out sewage, I could live in a new, and spectacular place for about $0.35 a day for "rent." Throw in our region's Clearwire WiMax coverage, and I have myself a pretty comfy mobile office.

And just cause I feel like it, here's a shot I snapped on the last 4th of July. The view of shoreside fireworks + Mt. Rainier + being the only one at a "private" island state park = full of win.

/just bought myself 1/2 acre of waterfront property on Vashon island for dirt cheap, so I can place a mooring buoy and spend most of my time there during the summer.

ongbok

2013-04-15 12:34:35 PM

Frantic Freddie: They're going to buy land in (most likely outside the city limits) Santa Fe? They'd better have deep pockets, that shiat's expensive. Not to mention they'll need water (there are places in this state where, no matter how deep you drill, there is NO water....but you still have to pay the driller), running power can cost up to $100k a mile, septics can run $50k+ if there's rock.

They don't need to drill for water, they can collect rain water. And why do they need to run power? They can get solar panels. And why would they need septic when they can shiat on the ground? Don't try to force conformity on them!

JerkStore

2013-04-15 12:56:58 PM

"After Shane lost his home to the banking crisis, the couple wanted a way to become financially independent."

You know, I'm no friend of the banks, but I don't think the crisis "caused" this guy to lose his house. He over-paid and over-extended himself to buy too much house, buying more house than he could afford. Sure, the banks are complicit in encouraging him to do it, but you can't say the crisis caused them to take his house. He stopped being able to pay for it (or just stopped paying for it and let the bank eat the loss), that's why he lost it.

SirEattonHogg

2013-04-15 12:57:19 PM

Those Japanese "Micro-homes" are a little cooler, with multiple levels all on lots of 300, 400 square feet.
Google it.

The difference is those are permanent structures.

Always been interested in how small an area people can live in. In Hong Kong, it's not at all uncommon to have a family of 4 in a unit of 750 square feet (with one bathroom, 2 very small bedrooms). I've seen it. Not much on privacy. On the otherhand, Hong Kongers tend to be smaller folks, used to smaller quarters, don't hoard as much stuff as Americans (how can they?) and are often way too busy to be at home. For most Americans, it would be a recipe for going nuts.

pkellmey

2013-04-15 01:07:48 PM

SirEattonHogg: Those Japanese "Micro-homes" are a little cooler, with multiple levels all on lots of 300, 400 square feet.
Google it.

The difference is those are permanent structures.

Always been interested in how small an area people can live in. In Hong Kong, it's not at all uncommon to have a family of 4 in a unit of 750 square feet (with one bathroom, 2 very small bedrooms). I've seen it. Not much on privacy. On the otherhand, Hong Kongers tend to be smaller folks, used to smaller quarters, don't hoard as much stuff as Americans (how can they?) and are often way too busy to be at home. For most Americans, it would be a recipe for going nuts.

Large cities have been doing this with micro-apartments for some time in the U.S.

MrSteve007

2013-04-15 01:10:11 PM

SirEattonHogg: Always been interested in how small an area people can live in. In Hong Kong, it's not at all uncommon to have a family of 4 in a unit of 750 square feet (with one bathroom, 2 very small bedrooms). I've seen it. Not much on privacy. On the otherhand, Hong Kongers tend to be smaller folks, used to smaller quarters, don't hoard as much stuff as Americans (how can they?) and are often way too busy to be at home. For most Americans, it would be a recipe for going nuts.

They're not doing anything that's new. Most Americans lived that way 60 years ago.

The average size of an American home in the 1950's:
Occupants = 3.7 people
Square footage = 983 sq.ft.

The Average size of the an American home in 2006:
Occupants = 2.6 people
Square footage = 2,349 sq.ft.

In ~50 years, Americans have reduced the average number of people in the house by 1/3rd, and increased square footage by 240%

/sources - Square footage - Occupants

PirateFuzzball

2013-04-15 01:38:03 PM

It almost seems like they're pricing their awesome invention that high just so no one would actually buy one.

If I didn't end up meeting my wife, I'd probably would have gone the RV route. Last job had a massive parking lot that was unused. I would have tried to live back there during the week and hit up some camp grounds for the weekend so I can dump my shiat and refill the water tanks.

Don't know how long I could have kept that up since I like to tinker more than I like to travel. I'd love to give traveling across the US a try, but people on the road drive me crazy at times.

/Was it really necessary for you to make a right turn from the far left lane?

SuperNinjaToad

2013-04-15 02:00:53 PM

distopianDream: indarwinsshadow: Great idea. I'm in the process of building a tiny house (that's what they're called, you can purchase plans from tumbleweed houses) on a trailer so I can transport this to and from the lake and I'm selling the cottage. I found out that anything under 800 sq ft you don't have to pay property tax on, just simple land tax. My wife and I are seriously considering getting rid of the house in the next few years and down sizing to one of these.

[cdn.shopify.com image 600x450]

770 sq ft beauty.

I love the small tumbleweed homes. I am in the process of buying a 850 square/2 bedroom house and I am so excited to downsize. Of course, I am only downsizing by 150 square feet. The house comes with a small yard and 2 small garden plots. I still dream of building a 650 square foot Tumbleweed in the country but I'll wait until my sons out of the house for that.

do you need to at least own some land to park this thing in? what about plumbing, electric etc?

Caffandtranqs

2013-04-15 02:17:59 PM

Why is wanting to live with a smaller mortgage and be able to pick and move at any time smug?

distopianDream

2013-04-15 02:26:02 PM

SuperNinjaToad: distopianDream: indarwinsshadow: Great idea. I'm in the process of building a tiny house (that's what they're called, you can purchase plans from tumbleweed houses) on a trailer so I can transport this to and from the lake and I'm selling the cottage. I found out that anything under 800 sq ft you don't have to pay property tax on, just simple land tax. My wife and I are seriously considering getting rid of the house in the next few years and down sizing to one of these.

[cdn.shopify.com image 600x450]

770 sq ft beauty.

I love the small tumbleweed homes. I am in the process of buying a 850 square/2 bedroom house and I am so excited to downsize. Of course, I am only downsizing by 150 square feet. The house comes with a small yard and 2 small garden plots. I still dream of building a 650 square foot Tumbleweed in the country but I'll wait until my sons out of the house for that.

do you need to at least own some land to park this thing in? what about plumbing, electric etc?

They have small homes non-movable homes as well as the trailer type homes. So, I'd just hook up to whatever is available.

SuperNinjaToad

2013-04-15 02:30:18 PM

MrSteve007: C0rf: How 'bout the aquatic version? My folks (65 and 63) retired a couple years ago to spend 3 months every year on a boat. In Western Europe. Just about 180 square feet, I believe.

When someplace gets boring, float another dozen km down a canal to a different little town. They LOVE it.

[oi49.tinypic.com image 800x255]

Yep, for about the same price as they're selling their "tiny home" - I live in this most weekends. It has a 2kw inverter + solar panel, propane heater (the same model the couple used in their tiny home) - two 'bedrooms,' can sleep up to six - plus it requires almost zero fuel to get around; 0.5 gph of diesel at a 6 knt cruising speed, or simply use the sails:
[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x637]
Since she's 10 years old and already depreciated when I bought her, I'm sure it'll have a much better investment/loss when compared to a janky, homebuilt 5th wheel.

For $35 a night, the view I had from the back of my boat last weekend was pretty tough to beat:
[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x478]
For the cost of a $128 annual State Park mooring permit, where I can get fresh water and pump out sewage, I could live in a new, and spectacular place for about $0.35 a day for "rent." Throw in our region's Clearwire WiMax coverage, and I have myself a pretty comfy mobile office.

And just cause I feel like it, here's a shot I snapped on the last 4th of July. The view of shoreside fireworks + Mt. Rainier + being the only one at a "private" island state park = full of win.
[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x517]
/just bought myself 1/2 acre of waterfront property on Vashon island for dirt cheap, so I can place a mooring buoy and spend most of my time there during the summer.

Very nice until a big storm or hurricane hits then you're SOL.

Lsherm

2013-04-15 02:44:22 PM

planes: [www.mytripjournal.com image 643x480]

They've already invented these things, they're called motorhomes. Here is my 240 square feet.

Aren't mobile homes like crazy expensive? What did that run you, half a mill?

2KanZam

2013-04-15 02:58:16 PM

redsquid: Do any of these people have hobbies?

I could do this-I could live in an incredibly small space and be comfortable because I like being outdoors. Since it would force me outdoors I would prolly do more; rafting, camping, gardening, fishing, building stuff , mountain biking, hunting , target shooting and motorcycling.

Except I wouldn't. because I would not want to go to storage everytime I wanted to do something, there would be no place to maintain this stuff or get ready the night before, have no space to grow or work on anything....I just couldn't imaging limiting your life to the degree this would take. More often than not there is a raft inflated or a tent set up somewhere in the house, and it is modest in size by all standards.

I'm assuming their hobbies revolve around an xbox and a kindle?

/Now If I had a little 1/4 ac lot, with a micro-house and a 600 sf garage...I would be ok.

Caffandtranqs

2013-04-15 03:10:00 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x193]

I drive a hybrid. It was used and I don't have spend $500 a month on gas. I got it because it's economical. I likes having a low car payment and not spend so much on gas. Smug you think?

Frantic Freddie

2013-04-15 03:31:14 PM

ongbok

Frantic Freddie: They're going to buy land in (most likely outside the city limits) Santa Fe? They'd better have deep pockets, that shiat's expensive. Not to mention they'll need water (there are places in this state where, no matter how deep you drill, there is NO water....but you still have to pay the driller), running power can cost up to $100k a mile, septics can run $50k+ if there's rock.

They don't need to drill for water, they can collect rain water. And why do they need to run power? They can get solar panels. And why would they need septic when they can shiat on the ground? Don't try to force conformity on them!

LOL
Hell, it's New Mexico, we ain't got rainwater :D Though solar works fine here with our 240+ sunny days a year.
It's legal in some areas to have an outhouse, but they might need dynamite to dig the pit.

pdrake

2013-04-15 04:28:36 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Meh i dont know about a married couple. Single person would be quite comfortable in it.
till you try to bring a date home

shortymac

2013-04-15 05:09:33 PM

My hubby, roommate, and I just recently moved into a much smaller place and it's been great on the wallet and has finally put a fire under our asses to get rid of our crap.

We still have plenty of room to do what we want. We're still working out all the kinks and rearranging things to optimize it better but so far so good.

I'd rather have a large yard instead of a large house, it seems that all the houses built these days are huge McMansions on postage lots.

I'd rather have a patio and a garden.

MrSteve007

2013-04-15 05:20:33 PM

SuperNinjaToad: Very nice until a big storm or hurricane hits then you're SOL.

By that logic, homes are nice - until an earthquake or tornado hits, then you're SOL.

The nice thing about boats and storms; storms are predicted days in advance and boats are mobile. Up here in the Pacific NW, hurricane force winds happen on an annual basis. Unless someone is dumb enough to be out in open water during a storm, you're not going to have any trouble. Marinas are typically in coves that are completely protected from the wind and waves of a storm.

I have two harbors within a few miles that are termed "hurricane holes," since they're immune from any storm.
Quartermaster harbor's geography blocks wind and waves from all directions - deep inside the harbor is calm as a lake in any sized storm:

The area of Gig Harbor is also a ridiculously safe area to anchor in a storm, as its entrance is only 50-60 feet wide, and protected by a spit. The harbor is very secure by the surrounding hills.

You can go about every 10-15 miles in the Puget Sound and find similar places to hide out from a storm. Unless you're in a geographically flat place, like Florida - hiding a boat from a storm isn't all that difficult.

BradleyUffner

2013-04-15 05:54:10 PM

ongbok:
And there's the reason why they are living in that home.

I have a feeling they spend a lot of time in their 4000 square foot fully furnished "Garage".

Loadmaster

2013-04-15 06:48:11 PM

What's to be smug about? Our house is paid off, and a damn sight bigger than the mini-trailer they're living in, but you don't see news teams vying for exclusive news coverage at our place. Come back when they get the tires and tow-hitch on that thing paid off, and maybe when they go totally solar and cut their utility expenses in half.

Maybe then it'll be worthy of fifteen minutes of someone's time.

Jon iz teh kewl

2013-04-16 08:11:35 AM

Caffandtranqs: Jon iz teh kewl: [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x193]

I drive a hybrid. It was used and I don't have spend $500 a month on gas. I got it because it's economical. I likes having a low car payment and not spend so much on gas. Smug you think?

Nutsac_Jim

2013-04-16 09:47:19 AM

JerkStore: "After Shane lost his home to the banking crisis, the couple wanted a way to become financially independent."

You know, I'm no friend of the banks, but I don't think the crisis "caused" this guy to lose his house. He over-paid and over-extended himself to buy too much house, buying more house than he could afford. Sure, the banks are complicit in encouraging him to do it, but you can't say the crisis caused them to take his house. He stopped being able to pay for it (or just stopped paying for it and let the bank eat the loss), that's why he lost it.

Its entirely possible that he lost it because of the crisis. Perhaps he purchased a 5 year arm and the bank was all loosey goosey with qualifications and down payment. Now, years later, he might still be making the same money, same job same situation, and now the bank wont refinance because he now does not qualify.

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