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Lorelle

2013-04-08 12:02:51 AM

9 votes:

That's not true. I despise all religions equally.

OK, so I hate Catholicism a little bit more than other religions, but that's because I had it shoved down my throat for the first 17 years of my life.

Relatively Obscure

2013-04-07 11:57:23 PM

8 votes:

What I'm wondering, though, is what atheism puts in place of that morality and framework that religions provide.

Oh, this shiat again.

Lusiphur

2013-04-07 11:50:17 PM

8 votes:

Can you be considered an "islamaphobe" if you simply hate religion? Wouldn't that just be a religiophobe?

Scythed

2013-04-08 07:02:38 AM

7 votes:

Atheism isillegal in most of the Muslim world. Apostasy is punishable by imprisonment or death. The Quran and Hadith support this.

Asking why Atheists are Islamophobic is like asking why Jews are Naziphobic.

CaptSacto

2013-04-07 11:53:26 PM

5 votes:

Who the screaming fark cares?
Apatheism wins again.

Lady Indica

2013-04-08 06:08:06 AM

4 votes:

Not reading the article, because I'm only gonna get irked. Not all religions are equal, and like other atheists have mentioned (and I agree with) I largely don't give a shiat what you believe until it starts intruding on others. Sam Harris has gone on about this at length. A Jain's belief system really isn't impactful on you or me, and we've nothing to fear from them based solely on their religious beliefs. (An individual human who also happens to be a Jain might be a real bastard, but we're talking about their beliefs).

I was raised Catholic, lots of bad about that faith. I don't harbor any personal animosity (my experiences were largely very positive) but I left 'cause I didn't believe. Worst that happened was the reaction of some in my family. My old religion isn't doing squat about me leaving. If I wrote to the parish I was baptized in and demanded they pull me from the rolls...the worst they'd do is be snotty about it.

I'm an apostate, technically. And in Islam, the punishment for such is death. And this is the legal law in more than one Islamic country. And yes, you can argue (correctly) that not all muslims believe this. And yet, not all Catholics believe in being against birth control. Or being against abortion. Yet, their stance doesn't reflect what their religion teaches and preaches.

Are there atheist bigots? Well duh. Sure. There's bigots everywhere really. But the majority of atheists who have a biiiig farking issue with Islam specifically do so because it is worse than most other faiths in numerous ways. I've only listed one.

And if you don't think some are worse than others, engage in a little thought experiment for me. Imagine various religions, and imagine YOU are a member of the group they hate most. What do you have to fear from them? If you're in certain parts of Africa, you'd have to fear a nasty strain of Christianity who literally kills people they deem witches...but you'd have a lot more places to fear if we swap in Islam.

And duh of course there are good Muslims, I've known a few. :) But I don't know if they'd be considered a good muslim by other muslims or the tenants of their faith.

But I think all the concepts of god and the divine I've seen are pretty weaksauce.

Gunther

2013-04-08 05:50:21 AM

4 votes:

OK, I've just spent the last 20 minutes reading all of the articles and such he links to, and as far as I can tell, his problem isn't that all atheists are Islamophobes, it's that one atheist (Sam Harris) has said some inflammatory stuff about Islam that was taken out of context by someone else to make it sound like he was bigoted.

Big. Farking. Deal. Even if he was a bigot, why the hell would one bigoted atheist somehow mean the whole movement had a problem with Islam? Is Sam Harris the atheist pope now?

TommyymmoT

2013-04-08 02:17:06 AM

4 votes:

log_jammin

2013-04-08 01:47:26 AM

4 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: the article is about them being hatemongers.

actually it's about one guys comments being attributed to every other atheist.

propasaurus

2013-04-08 12:06:06 AM

4 votes:

That's fascinating. Do tell me how much you Christians love Islam.

WhoopAssWayne

2013-04-08 06:17:02 AM

3 votes:

Deep Contact

2013-04-08 06:01:29 AM

3 votes:

Religion is Farked up, but Islam really sucks because the way they treat women.

Doktor_Zhivago

2013-04-08 12:53:55 AM

3 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: SpikeStrip: i'll stop hating mormonism when utah starts allowing music

good news!
you can stop hating now.

or now

mark your calendar for June 4th - Alice Cooper

But you can keep hating Muslims, right?

If we all just ignore him he'll go away one day. . .

Lionel Mandrake

2013-04-08 12:39:10 AM

3 votes:

I don't hate Islam, or any religion really (well, there are some "beliefs" that claim to be religion that I - er, well, we'll leave that for another thread). What I hate are the people who use religion not as a comforter or even a crutch, but as a cudgel to beat the shiat out of other people.

But, unlike certain others (looking at you evangelical fundamentalist Christians), I do not see Islam as heresy, blasphemy, a threat to the "one true religion" or whatever. I can never, ever have the depth of fear and hatred that those Islamophobes on the religious right often have. They see Islam as a threat to the everlasting life of billions of souls.

CrazyCracka420

2013-04-08 11:03:06 AM

2 votes:

For the record, I'm "against" all religion, not just Islam. If you keep it in your bedroom, I could care less, it's when you whip it out in public that we will have problems.

Marcintosh

2013-04-08 08:16:06 AM

2 votes:

My view, for what it's worth

maddogdelta

2013-04-08 08:10:43 AM

2 votes:

lumiere: Okay, I'll bite. I'm curious to know what makes people think the vagina is feared and repulsed in Islam. I'm sincerely curious if you don't mind elaborating on that.

Or maybe this
Or this
Or this
Or this

The problem wasn't trying to find examples, the problem was narrowing it down.

BTW, if the dominionists get their way in the US, it won't be much different here. So I am an equal opportunity Theocracy hater.

bunner

2013-04-08 07:38:17 AM

2 votes:

Biological Ali

2013-04-08 07:29:32 AM

2 votes:

Divinegrace: Every time I meet someone and think "Wow, this person is spiteful, hateful, and/or self-centered asshat", I ask them about their faith...every time I have asked I find they are either agnostic or atheist.

I will say this about agnostics and atheists...you folks are consistent.

Have you considered the possibility that you're the only asshole involved here? You know - Occam's Razor and all that.

Divinegrace

2013-04-08 07:21:32 AM

2 votes:

Every time I meet someone and think "Wow, this person is spiteful, hateful, and/or self-centered asshat", I ask them about their faith...every time I have asked I find they are either agnostic or atheist.

I will say this about agnostics and atheists...you folks are consistent.

Uncle Tractor

2013-04-08 07:12:41 AM

2 votes:

Author fail: What I'm wondering, though, is what atheism puts in place of that morality and framework that religions provide. You don't need God to be a good person, but you do need some way of differentiating good acts from bad, virtue from evil.

Religions do not provide morality and framework. All they provide is a bunch of arbitrary (and often silly / barbaric) laws that the unthinking worshipers are supposed to follow. Real morality, such as "thou shalt not kill" or "thou shalt not mooch thine neighbor's resources," is an evolved feature of our species.

miss diminutive

2013-04-08 07:12:30 AM

2 votes:

bullsballs: Thanks to atheism, Sadism and living for the moment is AOK!

Atheism did that? Here I was thinking it was cola advertisements.

bullsballs: There is no God, and no need to worry about retribution after you die, as there is no afterlife, no Heaven or hell.

Which means that we must take greater care of our legacy and truly cherish our time here on Earth as opposed to counting on spending eternity in some blissful state, fully removed from our actions and decisions.

bullsballs: Everything is of man, so you can make your own rules to live and die by.

Our rules are coded into the very fabric of our cultural and societal norms. Sure you can try living by your own set, but anything that's too far outside the boundaries of acceptable behaviour (such as say, stabbing every 3rd person you meet with a sharpened popsicle stick) will result in serious negative consequences.

Justin Bieber's Acne Medication

2013-04-08 06:22:48 AM

2 votes:

The Quran says that you and I deserve to have our skin burned off, and Muslims say it is the most beautiful book ever written. That is all.

UrinalPooper

2013-04-08 05:56:14 AM

2 votes:

There's nothing irrational about hating a religion that prescribes death for apostasy.

Mugato

2013-04-08 01:49:59 AM

2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: atheists are intolerant.
the article is about them being hatemongers.

happy that you agree.

You don't see the irony of classifying an entire group of people as intolerant?

tenpoundsofcheese

2013-04-08 12:56:44 AM

2 votes:

lumiere: I agree with you entirely. As Gandhi said: "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

Gandhi the racist? Who cares what he thinks about Christians? He proved he isn't a good judge of people.

Sid_6.7

2013-04-08 12:50:30 AM

2 votes:

staplermofo: The thing about phobias is that they have to be irrational fears. Like, if you're afraid of venomous spiders because your limited exposure to spiders prevents you from telling them apart, it's not a phobia. It's an appropriate fear a rational person would have. In the same way, if you're afraid of radical muslim terrorists blowing up your face and your limited exposure to muslims prevents you from telling them from harmless muslims, it's also not a phobia. The onus on the spiders to get us to understand why we shouldn't kill them, like the misunderstood spider meme. Sadly, the guy who posed for the ordinary muslim meme blew himself up at a checkpoint outside Jerusalem.

The term "Islamophobia" does not, generally speaking and in common usage, refer to the concept of a phobia in the medical sense. It refers to bigotry.

staplermofo

2013-04-08 12:41:16 AM

2 votes:

The thing about phobias is that they have to be irrational fears. Like, if you're afraid of venomous spiders because your limited exposure to spiders prevents you from telling them apart, it's not a phobia. It's an appropriate fear a rational person would have. In the same way, if you're afraid of radical muslim terrorists blowing up your face and your limited exposure to muslims prevents you from telling them from harmless muslims, it's also not a phobia. The onus on the spiders to get us to understand why we shouldn't kill them, like the misunderstood spider meme. Sadly, the guy who posed for the ordinary muslim meme blew himself up at a checkpoint outside Jerusalem.

tenpoundsofcheese

2013-04-08 12:35:43 AM

2 votes:

they are really the most intolerant people
so no surprise

cman

2013-04-08 12:07:20 AM

2 votes:

propasaurus: That's fascinating. Do tell me how much you Christians love Islam.

The writer of the article is atheist

This is an atheist biatching about bigotry

Doktor_Zhivago

2013-04-07 11:51:29 PM

2 votes:

Some atheists are retards. Luckily they are unique among the various sub-groupings of humanity.

PunGent

2013-04-11 08:23:51 AM

1 vote:

Uncle Tractor: NostroZ: If Atheists don't care about religion so much, why do they hate on people of faith so much?

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Because some religious institutions get enormous tax exemptions and are actively making our society less educated?

And those aren't the WORST religions on this ball of rock?

maddogdelta

2013-04-09 08:02:39 PM

1 vote:

NostroZ: If Atheists don't care about religion so much, why do they hate on people of faith so much?

How about this
Or this
Or this
Or this
or this // this one is good because they get to kill their kids and get off because JEEEEEEZUS
or this // 33% of Americans want "Christianity" as their official state religion
or this // go ahead and count how many people stand up and defend the first amendment on this one...
or this
or this

I only stopped because I got tired. We can keep going with this for days.

In short, there is an old phrase which says that "your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose"

I have absolutely no problem with religions or religious people as long as they don't harm anyone other than themselves. As soon as they try to tell me what rights I'm not allowed because their god tells them I'm an untermenchen, then I have a problem.

Capice?

bunner

2013-04-08 01:38:18 PM

1 vote:

GnomePaladin: Why is it that some religious folk are so sure that without the fear of eternal damnation they would instantly embark on a killrape spree the likes of which have never been imagined?

I think it has to do with astoundingly overwrought hyperbole and exaggeration.

bunner

2013-04-08 01:31:15 PM

1 vote:

Anybody ever notice how long these threads are?

Biological Ali

2013-04-08 01:26:25 PM

1 vote:

s2s2s2: No. Religion is

Oh. You're doing that thing where you take a terms with specific, commonly-understood meanings and substitute them with meanings that are so broad as to be meaningless in order to defend some silly equivocation.

NostroZ

2013-04-08 01:10:08 PM

1 vote:

give me doughnuts: these Atheist institutions the human condition was still alive and well... and the human condition is TO BELIEVE IN SOMETHING... if that something is no longer God, then it becomes Humanity, and the species finally starts getting its collective shiat together.

My dear Farker, I do not feel we are having a discussion anymore and I am done posting on this topic.

You are demanding that humans no longer believe in a God, even though it is in our nature to believe. Furthermore, when I have brought up examples of governments that have purposefully eradicated religion only to have greater immorality follow, you have ignored the topic multiple times.

Now you are once again planting your feet high upon your soap-box to shout down religion/God, ignoring the millions of people killed under than same slogan. I do not wish to be spoken at by you sir.

It has become clear that we are not having a conversation any longer, but you continue to repeat the dogma of "God=bad" despite the numerous examples of Man=Bad, God=Tempering force.

I will leave you to your dogmatic belief Mr.Doughnuts so that you may repeat your articles of faith without anyone telling you otherwise (with examples of USSR, China, Mongol, etc.)

give me doughnuts

2013-04-08 10:21:04 AM

1 vote:

Well, since telling the truth about Islam is considered to be "Islamophobia", then the label is pretty accurate.

pciszek

2013-04-08 09:58:49 AM

1 vote:

Uncle Tractor: And these aren't punishments that are isolated to one sect, or cultural sub-group, or came out of nowhere - these are all things that are mandated by the Quran.

The NT mandates burning apostates (see my prev post, the one with the pic).

There are no good religions, only religions that haven't had the chance to do very much bad shiat yet.

Voiceofreason01

2013-04-08 09:50:28 AM

1 vote:

liam76: Yeah, death penalty fro apostacy is a big problem in my book (not to mention 4 witnesses to prove rape, wife beating, etc), call me crazy.

Some people in a third world shiathole use Islam to reinforce a brutal and harmful system of social norms, therefore all Muslims are evil......yep don't see any problem with that line of reasoning.

/but by all means don't let a reasoned and nuanced view of the world ruin you're tribalism and hatemongering. After all, you're Right.

HindiDiscoMonster

2013-04-08 09:20:58 AM

1 vote:

Plant Rights Activist: any time you try and justify an unjustifiable action by saying, "god told me to do it" is evil. Regardless of which specific cult it is.

or simply insane.

miscreant

2013-04-08 08:55:09 AM

1 vote:

I have the same problem with Islam that I have with any other religion, and that's when they try to codify their religious beliefs into law to force them on others. Christianity used to be absolutely horrible about that as well, but most of the western world has moved on to more secular governments where freedom of thought is protected. Not so much in Islamic nations. There are a shiatload of Muslim countries out there where Sharia law is the law of the land. Not to mention the attempts, such as the whole Danish cartoon incident, where they attempt to force the rest of the WORLD to act within the confines of their beliefs.

I_C_Weener

2013-04-08 08:45:54 AM

1 vote:

vactech: I could have swore the proper narrative was "Atheists liberals always give Islam (or any other religion) a free pass, and only pick on Christians"

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal, but in my experience protestant Christians are the worst Islam/Catholic-phobes evar. They just do their bigoted speeches on Sunday morning within the walls of their church.

Never heard a minister give a sermon on the evils of Islam or Catholicism. I have read a lot on Fark though. So, the churches you go to must be a lot like Fark

liam76

2013-04-08 08:34:44 AM

1 vote:

adamatari: log_jammin: adamatari: I think the atheists saying Islam stands out as particularly bad have never read the old testament (go check out the Brick Testament, particularly Judges, anc come back to me), or never read history (nasty wars like the Thirty Years' War, no Muslims involved). Nor do they seem to know the facts on the ground as to who is really commited to cultural genocide and assimillation of non-believers. There are WAY more Christian and Mormon missionaries than Islamic ones.

The point is that Islam is particular bad NOW, not thousands of years ago.

Tell that to the literally stateless Palestinians, or even the Israeli Arabs whose political parties the other, Jewish parties ganged up on and tried to ban (which would have left the Israeli Arabs effectively disenfrachised - except the Supreme Court of Israel overturned this attempt). Or tell this to those who died in Iraq after a "Christian" president decided to go to war there. Or tell that to gays in Uganda and other African countries. Or, as I said, take a look around NOW and see who is out there undermining every traditional culture with its own values left in the world.

Arguing that Islam is particularly bad among the Abrahamic religions is like arguing the relative terribleness of MRSA, AIDS, and cancer.

What about the stateless palestenians in Jordan? Can we lay that at the feet of the muslims?

If you are trying to score a "point" against judiasm because of what political parties in Israel tried to do (which is BS), you also have to give them a point for what the Israeli court did for those parties.

What is happening to gays in uganda is bad, but there are dozens of Islamic coutries that are doing worse.

HindiDiscoMonster

2013-04-08 08:34:41 AM

1 vote:

jonny_q: If the Internet has taught me anything, it's that there are a lot of people who know how to type with nothing useful to say.

bunner

2013-04-08 08:30:30 AM

1 vote:

omnibus_necanda_sunt: bunner: Religion and atheism have a lot in common. They both like to blowhard false dichotomies between two approaches to life that have, so far, gotten us here. Carry on. Fresh poo and incredulous smirks at the popcorn stand.

Oh, for Christ's sake, all you ever do is mock people who support Democrats, Republicans, or third party candidates; private sector solutions or government ones; religion or irreligion. Just like with Amos, I'm beginning to think all you ever do is complain that the world is shiatty and refuse to offer any goddamned solutions. We got your point in the first dozen threads. Knock it off and be constructive.

To address the balance of your post, my only efforts have been to put forth the idea that, after eons of bumping into the same walls in the same rat maze, that it would, mayhaps, be beneficial to stand back a few feet and see if there is some more useful way to approach the business of living a life wherein one is aware of one's own mortality and yet it is usually spent trying to control the lives of others. Cause so far, it's sucked fat walrus wang. If that ain't constructive, I don't know what is..

neversubmit

2013-04-08 08:23:37 AM

1 vote:

bunner: neversubmit: Magical thinking in adults is sad.

Thanks for your help.

bunner

2013-04-08 08:16:59 AM

1 vote:

neversubmit: Magical thinking in adults is sad.

The Snow Dog

2013-04-08 08:00:31 AM

1 vote:

ciberido: The Snow Dog: FTA: " Like a lot of atheists, I read a bunch of books about atheism and the shortcomings of religion and smirked at the inconsistencies contained in the Bible and Christianity's other texts." [The books arguing against Christianity were] "stuff written by men-almost always men, almost always white men, not that that matters."

Wait, whatnow? Maybe that's because you're white. If you were an atheist born in Cairo or Calcutta or Peking your statement would probably not hold true.

Maybe. Has anybody ever done a study showing what percentage of published atheists are white, what percentage are male, and how that compares to, say, all published authors?

It does kind of seem like most "movement atheists" who blog (or write books, or tweet) in English about being atheist are white males, but I'm not aware of any hard statistics that back up that perception.

Perhaps someone who's actually been to an atheist convention would care to comment on how many people there were nonwhite or female?

My point is that as people from a majority white English speaking male dominated culture, books read by white English speakers of that same male dominated culture are likely to have been written by white English speaking males. So? This says nothing about atheists worldwide, just about those in this culture. The author offers no claims that he's even tried to read any Chinese texts on athiesm. Maybe there aren't any. Maybe all the Chinese texts are just translations of white male athiests. I don't know.

But his argument seems to be demonizing white men as the archetypical Islamophobic athiests because white males mainly wrote what he's read. If I were from Iceland and all the rapists I ever met were Icelanders that doesn't mean I'd go around saying all the world's rapists are from Iceland.

Scythed

2013-04-08 07:52:55 AM

1 vote:

adamatari: I think the atheists saying Islam stands out as particularly bad have never read the old testament (go check out the Brick Testament, particularly Judges, anc come back to me), or never read history (nasty wars like the Thirty Years' War, no Muslims involved). Nor do they seem to know the facts on the ground as to who is really commited to cultural genocide and assimillation of non-believers. There are WAY more Christian and Mormon missionaries than Islamic ones.

Maybe you're the dumbass who needs to read a history book.

1. The Old Testament is part of Islam. Christians do not necessarily have to follow the laws found therein.
2. The Muslims have fought plenty of wars themselves. Go ask the Hindus how nice the Mughals were to them (Hint: They weren't). Or, if you want to see inter-communal violence between Muslims, just head on down to Syria. More importantly, Muhammad himself waged plenty of wars against non-believers and there are sections of the Quran that are all about when its okay to fight wars, which is more often than the 'official' Christian doctrine would be. Obviously, the Europeans have done some horrible shiat, but unlike Islam, none of that could be supported by the New Testament.
3. The missionaries don't force anyone to convert. You know who does? The men who kidnap girls from non-Muslim minorities in Muslim countries, force them to convert to Islam, marry them, and then receive protection from the authorities. Hell, the official Islamic policy on marriage is that men can marry non-Muslim women but Muslim women must stick to Muslim men only, specifically to make sure people are converting towards. And don't get me started on the jizya, a tax that existed solely to put enough of a financial strain on minorities that they'd convert just to get rid of it. Don't forget that the Quran can only be truly understood if you read Arabic as well. Islam perfected cultural genocide before there was a word for it.

Kibbler

2013-04-08 07:30:54 AM

1 vote:

1. Make a label, "New Atheists"

2. Put 2 people in it, Dawkins and Harris, but cite Harris repeatedly

3. Talk as if this describes all "atheists", which as always, is a term you can define as you like

I.e., assign the worst traits of your side to an imaginary other side

BenJammin

2013-04-08 07:30:38 AM

1 vote:

I'm an atheist, and it's never been a big deal for me. ....

Famous first words of trolls about to slander atheists.

mekki

2013-04-08 07:18:49 AM

1 vote:

TommyymmoT:

I am sorry, what was that you said about science being a passive kitten? I couldn't hear you over this atomic bomb that science has developed.

Cybernetic

2013-04-08 07:15:16 AM

1 vote:

Dawkins, for one, has a habit of being oddly deferential when the subject of Islam comes up, and it's likely because he'd rather not get shot.

And this is NOT because all Muslims are crazy or murderous. But it only takes a small percentage of hard-core crazies before one starts to think that there's an easier living to be made attacking Christianity and Judaism. I would bet large sums of money that Dawkins knows the name Theo Van Gogh, and would prefer not to share Van Gogh's fate.

JohnnyC

2013-04-08 07:14:30 AM

1 vote:

I can only really speak for myself on this since there is no "atheist handbook of rules" that we all follow... As I see it, I don't care what religion someone is. I consider all religions on equal footing when it comes to the believing in strange and unprovable things, but as long as religious people aren't harming anyone else, it really makes no difference to me what they believe. However, when religion starts leading someone to do harm to others... I have a problem with it.

And that's about it... Do harm to others in the name of your religious beliefs and I'll hold you and the religion that taught you the act that was responsible.

Don't want me to dislike you or your religious beliefs? Don't do other people harm. It's really that simple.

dfxdeimos

2013-04-08 07:05:03 AM

1 vote:

Islam deserves to be singled out, as it represents a much greater threat to the core tenets of western civilization than any other religion / group that exists today. It isn't just the fringe either - mainstream Islam is the problem. When upwards of 75% of the people in large, populous Muslim countries believe that the punishment for leaving Islam should be death - that is a problem.

I wish more in the west would stop being apologists and start calling out these people for the danger their beliefs present.

adamatari

2013-04-08 07:04:42 AM

1 vote:

Am I allowed to say that ALL the "Abrahamic" religions are for nutcases and cause more harm than good?

Things never go well when you make god in your own image.

/that said, the article has a point
//but it's a bit like complaining about black racists

randomjsa

2013-04-08 07:04:02 AM

1 vote:

As an atheist my level of animosity towards a particular religion depends on how repugnant that religion is.

For instance, I think Jainism is silly but if I pay it no mind.

Islam on the other hand is currently the most repugnant religion on the planet and that's saying a lot considering they have to compete with the Catholic church for that title.

But listening to atheists honk about Islamophobia is nothing new as for a long while there it boggled my damn mind how quickly they would start screaming what a terrible hateful person you were for giving Islam the same amount of scorn as Christianity. This seems to be subsiding but you can be sure as hell the moment an atheist calls Islam out for what it actually is "Waaah! Islamophobia!"

I expect that from the Muslims. I don't expect that from non-Muslims.

Islam deserves to be viewed with a greater level of contempt than fundamental Christianity. As I'm fond of telling people who like to preach to me about all the non-violent Muslims... That's all well and good... That only makes them as bad as the Christians. Islam is the religion of perpetual offense on a hair trigger that goes off violently every time it gets a chance and as bad as Christians are I don't see them engaged in world wide violent riots over unflattering pictures of Jesus. I'm not even talking about the terrorism here although I certainly could. Genital mutilation isn't happening in some far off corner of crazy land, it's happening in England. Women being treated like live stock? Sharia law being given special treatment? Animals in slaughter houses suffering needlessly to satisfy religious zealots? Again, not in some far off crazy land, these things happen in Europe.

Islamophobia? If such a thing actually existed then the world could use a lot more of it.

muck1969

2013-04-08 06:52:43 AM

1 vote:

The author is not a very good atheist if he does not understand why an atheist should behave morally or ethically without the constructs an organized religion would provide a person. With or without religious frameworks, and barring any crippling brain or psychological trauma, one determines right and wrong through a combination of experience, instruction and thoughtful consideration, and may be subjected to correction by social interaction or norms. And even if one has well-developed, socially acceptable sense of right and wrong, it's no guarantee that person won't, in a moment of weakness, act like a douche. Even Jesus debated with the elders of the church (friggin' uppity peasant know-it-all. who does he think he is? the son of God?).

encyclopediaplushuman

2013-04-08 06:40:28 AM

1 vote:

stratagos: Some atheists are indistinguishable from those who hate Islam.

All Muslims are mostly indistinguishable from Christians

All general religious fundamentalists are indistinguishable from the Westboro Baptist Church

/more accurate

stratagos

2013-04-08 06:32:10 AM

1 vote:

All atheists are indistinguishable from those who hate Islam.

All Muslims are indistinguishable from those who fly airliners into office buildings

All Christians are indistinguishable from the Westboro Baptist Church

encyclopediaplushuman

2013-04-08 06:25:38 AM

1 vote:

WhoopAssWayne: [imageshack.us image 399x599]

That's generally more the domain of the spiritual but not religious category, not the atheist/agnostic crowd.

The Snow Dog

2013-04-08 06:20:44 AM

1 vote:

FTA: " Like a lot of atheists, I read a bunch of books about atheism and the shortcomings of religion and smirked at the inconsistencies contained in the Bible and Christianity's other texts." [The books arguing against Christianity were] "stuff written by men-almost always men, almost always white men, not that that matters."

Wait, whatnow? Maybe that's because you're white. If you were an atheist born in Cairo or Calcutta or Peking your statement would probably not hold true.

Also: A person that thinks religions are goofy being outraged that someone else who thinks religions that are especially repressive and violent are especially goofy is FARKING STUPID.

Why is it that atheists often sound like pretentious douchebags? Is that just their cross to bear?

OneTimed

2013-04-08 06:14:10 AM

1 vote:

Hypersensitivity in the atheist community is nothing new. PZ Myers' entire blog and the "Skepchick" writers run on it.

I agree that Harris gets a little too extreme sometimes in his remarks about Islam, but it's not wrong to point out that their fundentalists are magnitudes worse that any Christian or Buddhist extremist (whose most radical acts have traditionally been setting themselves on fire.)

lacydog

2013-04-08 06:12:56 AM

1 vote:

lacydog: I find the most recent SMBC to be relevant here. Most atheists I know are like me (also an atheist). They believe what they believe and they don't give a fark about what other people believe. And I know plenty of Christians who are like that. And I also know quite a few pagans/wiccans like that. A taoist, too. For the vast majority of the population, faith is personal and we don't need to scrutinize the faith of others. But then...

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blueviking

2013-04-08 06:02:06 AM

1 vote:

miss diminutive: Gunther: Is Sam Harris the atheist pope now?

And if so, what shape is his hat?

This one gets my vote....

The Southern Dandy

2013-04-08 06:00:52 AM

1 vote:

It's sorta easy to fear and hate someone who wants you dead.

rikkards

2013-04-08 06:00:05 AM

1 vote:

Relatively Obscure: What I'm wondering, though, is what atheism puts in place of that morality and framework that religions provide.

Oh, this shiat again.

The proper answer would be "personal responsibility to society norms".

muck4doo

2013-04-08 05:00:06 AM

1 vote:

"We never murdered anybody! Cult of personality and other crap! blah blah blah! Khmer Rouge wasn't our fault!"

staplermofo

2013-04-08 02:03:35 AM

1 vote:

log_jammin: lumiere: I'm curious to know what makes people think the vagina is feared and repulsed in Islam.

because they are full of sand. duh.

This.
And they have a tradition of marrying very young, so they can housebreak it early. They see the wild vaginae of North America rampaging the land like the mighty buffalo, proud, strong and unbroken, and it strikes terror into their hearts. They prefer domesticated, docile vaginae. That something about sewing it up, I think that was muslims, or maybe the Japanese, I get them all mixed up. It was some foreign guys who sound like they're mumbling and swearing furiously at the same time.

staplermofo

2013-04-08 01:24:25 AM

1 vote:

tenpoundsofcheese: I was agreeing that they are intolerant.

SEE HOW THIS IS NOT 500 LINES OF TEXT!? CAN YOU IMAGINE WHY THE REST OF THE WORLD WOULD LIKE THAT?!

staplermofo

2013-04-08 01:17:10 AM

1 vote:

For the love of the absence of a higher power, would you farkmothers trim your farkingmother quotes down?

Lorelle

2013-04-08 01:07:38 AM

1 vote:

doglover: So much fail. 10/10 perfect troll.

For once, I'm NOT trolling. Really, I swear. Horseradish sucks.

/needs to buy some more cilantro
//has cravings for cilantro-lime rice

SnakeLee

2013-04-08 01:02:32 AM

1 vote:

cman: propasaurus: That's fascinating. Do tell me how much you Christians love Islam.

The writer of the article is atheist

This is an atheist biatching about bigotry

Hmmmm I really want to mouth off about what I imagine this article to be about, but I really, really don't want to read it

miss diminutive

2013-04-08 01:00:02 AM

1 vote:

Is Islam the guy who keeps running his crotch-rocket motorbike down my street at 4am going at about 150km/h? Because then I do really farking hate that guy.

Other than that, I have no issues with Islam.

/atheist
//not preachy about it, promise

tenpoundsofcheese

2013-04-08 12:54:23 AM

1 vote:

oh geez, you with your stupid straw man again. You really are lame with these stupid and false attacks.
You aren't even funny anymore.

check yourself before you wreck yourself.

tenpoundsofcheese

2013-04-08 12:43:51 AM

1 vote:

SpikeStrip: i'll stop hating mormonism when utah starts allowing music

good news!
you can stop hating now.

or now

mark your calendar for June 4th - Alice Cooper

SpikeStrip

2013-04-08 12:27:52 AM

1 vote:

i'll stop hating mormonism when utah starts allowing music

Lorelle

2013-04-08 12:16:40 AM

1 vote:

doglover: What's the fancy word for people who like cilantro?

Wrong thread, dude!

It's Messican.

Mugato: Did you tell an adult? Oh you're a girl, nevermind.

The parish I attended as a child was, for a while, home to one of SoCal's most notorious pedo-priests.

http://documents.latimes.com/father-michael-baker/

The scumbag was released from prison after serving 4 years of his 10-year sentence.

Mugato

2013-04-08 12:11:06 AM

1 vote:

Lorelle: OK, so I hate Catholicism a little bit more than other religions, but that's because I had it shoved down my throat for the first 17 years of my life.

Did you tell an adult? Oh you're a girl, nevermind.

cman

2013-04-08 12:02:41 AM

1 vote:

Bigotry takes all forms.

Hate is still hate.

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