YoOjo: It's hardly an eye for an eye if someone's getting chopped over the back like a water buffalo in front of Col. Kurtz, is it?Or does he have eyes on his shoulders? Oh wait, did the first guy lose an eye, or did he get stabbed in the back? Right, because if he did the it makes sense, if you change it to 'back for a back'.
pla: BarkingUnicorn : What makes you think Saudi society is going to assume the burden of this guy?So they want to sentence him to torture and then slow starvation? Yeah, brilliant plan there. That'll teach his 14 year old self not to stab friends in the back! And if nothing else, it will at least send a message to other 14 year olds, what with their near-legendary ability to consider the consequences of their actions...
BarkingUnicorn: Lionel Mandrake: BarkingUnicorn: Lionel Mandrake: BarkingUnicorn: Well, at least Saudi Arabia and other "barbaric" countries respect victims' rights.That's cute...you think they're doing it for the victim.I'm basing my opinion on more than one case and a broader perspective of justice. Read Gyrfalcon's post comparing shari'a law to our system.I did. I still don't think it's OK for rich criminals to go unpunished when a poor criminal gets paralyzed.I'm weird like that.A suitable blood price is punishment and benefits the victim. Our system denies suitable compensation to victims unless they are rich enough to sue, lucky enough to win, and persistent enough to collect.
Capo Del Bandito: Lionel Mandrake: So you are OK with rich people being able to buy their way out of punishment.You should have just said "yes."if it's a reasonable price, why not?
Capo Del Bandito: fusillade762: That's all fine and dandy until some rich person who hates you stabs you, hands the court a wad of money and waltzes off.Oh that's adorable. You don't think I considered that:Life is not fair. Get used to it.There is nothing YOU *fusilade762* can do to change that.Sure it's unfair and cruel.But that's the problem I have with most normal people: you don't accept that life isn't fair. Unless you're willing to kill and die for changing something, shut your pie hole and continue on with your meaningless drivel.
LewDux: Ali al-Khawahir left his victim paralysed a decade ago and is now facing the same fate from the waist down if he fails to pay compensation of one million riyals (£176,000). Al-Khawahir's mum has been begging wealthy philanthropists to come forward to contribute to the fund.Farkers, we you can save him, we you have Paypal technology
BarkingUnicorn: dbaggins: dark brew: What? How would it be different if the guy was 25 when the crime occurred? It still wouldn't benefit the victim or society.the issue is responsibility. there is a difference between a 14 year old and a 25 year old. Not as much as westerners might insist, but there is a difference. I don't think anyone would be suggesting this is the perpetrator had been 7, even with Sharia Law.Maybe Saudis expect 14 year-olds to act like adults and raise them to do so. Lotta 14 year-olds and younger children take on head-of-household responsibilities while parents do meth. Other cultures expect and prepare for childhood to end before Americans think it should.
GreenSun: What most people seem to fear is "What if you were wrongfully convicted?!" and that's why people tend to shy away from approving of "barbaric punishments".
hardinparamedic: zepillin: Lionel Mandrake: enik: Eye for an eye punishment is literally the only thing that Arabs can teach Americans.Why do you think it's a good idea? Don't do the crime, if you can't suffer the crime.Except for the fact that this system further victimizes society by creating a dependant that society must now pick up the tab for, and is almost always disproportionately applied among racial, ethnic, and financial backgrounds. The Saudis are NOTORIOUS for giving natural born Saudis a slap on the wrist for utterly heinous crimes, while committing brutal and inhumanely cruel punishments on those who are poor, or foreign workers who would otherwise be deported anyway.You're not talking about punishment. You're talking about blood revenge.
Daedalus27: malaktaus: If you support the death penalty- and, what, 85% of Americans do?- why would you consider this sick?Because there was no death involved in this case, only horrific injury. The death penalty is about harm reduction by eliminating the most dangerous individuals from society so that they cannot commit any future harm. So far the penalty (10 years in jail and 1m in restitution) doesn't seem too far off from what he may get in many countries. The only difference is the paralyzation if he doesn't pay up and that seems excessive and counterproductive as you will be unable to collect the restitution if the criminal cannot meaningfully work anymore (please note, I know paralyzed individuals can be productive members of the workforce, but this is a unskilled person with a criminal record so that the job prospects are minimal beyond manual labor which has been taken away as a job catagory if he is paralyzed)
Duck_of_Doom: Exempt them from receiving disability benefits, Medicare, welfare, etc., just as criminals are proscribed guns and voting. No tab for our taxes to pick up. There are certainly segments in our society that would get behind that.
zepillin: Lionel Mandrake: enik: Eye for an eye punishment is literally the only thing that Arabs can teach Americans.Why do you think it's a good idea? Don't do the crime, if you can't suffer the crime.
dark brew: What? How would it be different if the guy was 25 when the crime occurred? It still wouldn't benefit the victim or society.
BarkingUnicorn: A suitable blood price is punishment and benefits the victim. Our system denies suitable compensation to victims unless they are rich enough to sue, lucky enough to win, and persistent enough to collect.
Fuggin Bizzy: This is why Tennessee needs to outlaw Shari'a law. It's farking brutal.
Fade2black: I'm ok with this. I sometimes wonder if the eye for an eye response was implemented here in the states.
Capo Del Bandito: fusillade762: Capo Del Bandito: Recidivism cut. Problem cut. Someone vile is removed from the picture.The problem is...?You're OK with rich people being able to buy their way out of punishment?You act as if human life *doesn't* have a coin value.Humans are not born with some innate value that is 'priceless'.People have worth. If someone is going to pay that ransom, make sure it's a good ransom.
MichiganFTL: Fade2black: I'm ok with this. I sometimes wonder if the eye for an eye response was implemented here in the states.We're banning Big Gulps and dodgeball, wondering is as far as we'll ever get.
fusillade762: Capo Del Bandito: Recidivism cut. Problem cut. Someone vile is removed from the picture.The problem is...?You're OK with rich people being able to buy their way out of punishment?
Gawdzila: Wow, buncha sickos here. I see some people have trouble with the whole "two wrongs don't make a right" lesson.
malaktaus: If you support the death penalty- and, what, 85% of Americans do?- why would you consider this sick?
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