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cptjeff

2013-03-30 08:33:58 PM

RevMercutio: TheManofPA: So, River works in the shop now?

My vote was Sally Sparrow.

Ooh, that's a cool one.

Probably not Vastra. She would be noticed, but she would be able to recognize Clara.

jack21221

2013-03-30 08:36:39 PM

It's the fez!

Lusiphur

2013-03-30 08:38:59 PM

At least they went with a Triumph. A Norton would have been cooler.

Jensaarai

2013-03-30 08:39:15 PM

silgryphon: jack21221: silgryphon: Please tell me I missed one episode before this season started

Did you see the Christmas episode? That's the only one.

Yes I did

So good, good thing I was surfing the TV

They showed what I assumed was a webisode or something about the Doctor on a swingset, talking with some young girl about how they lose things. (Him obviously referencing Oswin.) The kid recommends that he go somewhere quiet to think or something, which seems to be what leads to the whole monk thing.

hangingbrautwurst

2013-03-30 08:39:38 PM

Loved the episode, but who is the mastermind behind the wifi mind robbers?

silgryphon

2013-03-30 08:42:01 PM

This is a bizzare episode

Gunny Walker

2013-03-30 08:42:38 PM

hangingbrautwurst: Loved the episode, but who is the mastermind behind the wifi mind robbers?

The Great Intelligence

t3knomanser

2013-03-30 08:43:38 PM

Was I watching "Doctor Who" or "Stalker Who"? It was a fun-but-daft episode, but the little bit of obsession is creepy. Still, I'm glad we've got a companion who can actually outdo the Doctor from time to time. I never liked the Doctor picking up shopgirls. At least Clara is a mystery, a puzzle-box. It's within the Doctor's character to not put her down until she's been opened.

NOT LIKE THAT.

hangingbrautwurst: Loved the episode, but who is the mastermind behind the wifi mind robbers?

The Great Intelligence appeared in the Christmas Special, and prior to that was last seen invading the London Underground with robotic Yeti. You sort of had to be there.

sirbissel

2013-03-30 08:44:02 PM

hangingbrautwurst: Loved the episode, but who is the mastermind behind the wifi mind robbers?

The same thing behind the snowmen from Christmas... and the Yeti from the 1960s (2nd Doctor).

Nefarious

2013-03-30 08:44:12 PM

Hey wifi thief boss, that newsreader can be seen by more people then the Doctor.

/It was a solid episode

cptjeff

2013-03-30 08:47:52 PM

t3knomanser: hangingbrautwurst: Loved the episode, but who is the mastermind behind the wifi mind robbers?

The Great Intelligence appeared in the Christmas Special, and prior to that was last seen invading the London Underground with robotic Yeti. You sort of had to be there.

Well, from the Great Intelligence's point of view, that happened after the Christmas Special. Probably after this, too.

Keyser_Soze_Death

2013-03-30 08:48:42 PM

Approves

silgryphon

2013-03-30 08:49:32 PM

That's bad ass

cptjeff

2013-03-30 08:49:55 PM

Okay, that's badass.

Burn_The_Plows

2013-03-30 08:50:41 PM

Now it's becoming an A-HA video?

t3knomanser

2013-03-30 08:52:57 PM

cptjeff: Well, from the Great Intelligence's point of view, that happened after the Christmas Special. Probably after this, too.

I think the GI is experiencing time linearly. So after the 2013 Christmas Special, the next time he appears is with the Yeti in the Himalayas, and then eventually in the London Underground. By this time, he's become quite wary of the Doctor.

silgryphon

2013-03-30 08:57:15 PM

Ok that's creepy with the little girl voice

Nefarious

2013-03-30 08:58:11 PM

I can't speak for later airings but this airing on BBCA doesn't seem cut to shiat

Great Janitor

2013-03-30 08:58:41 PM

Just watched it. Called the Great Intelligence and that future Dalek Clara was brain boosted from the wifi upload. Also want to know who gave her the TARDIS number.

I thought the episode was well paced, intelligent and the twist of that not being the Doctor at The Shard was one that caused me to say "Should have seen that coming."

Girion47

2013-03-30 08:59:28 PM

I loved the homage to Amy Pond in this episode.

cptjeff

2013-03-30 09:01:03 PM

Nefarious: I can't speak for later airings but this airing on BBCA doesn't seem cut to shiat

This season they had been showing the full thing first time around, cut to shiat version for subsequent airings. Seems like they continued that tonight.

RevMercutio

2013-03-30 09:02:39 PM

Nefarious: I can't speak for later airings but this airing on BBCA doesn't seem cut to shiat

It's cut a bit. I only watched the second half, but UNIT's initial appearance was cut.

cretinbob

2013-03-30 09:03:43 PM

fusillade762: cretinbob: On the other hand, instead of 30 minutes a week it's 42ish.

42 you say?

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 460x300]

Did you catch the Dirk Gently reference in this episode?

Crackers Are a Family Food

2013-03-30 09:04:13 PM

Great episode, though I couldn't watch that woman and not see Judi Dench. I also need to rename my wifi network.

cptjeff

2013-03-30 09:05:02 PM

cretinbob: fusillade762: cretinbob: On the other hand, instead of 30 minutes a week it's 42ish.

42 you say?

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 460x300]

Did you catch the Dirk Gently reference in this episode?

I missed that one, though it's been a while since I read the Dirk Gently stuff. Can I get a spoiler here?

t3knomanser

2013-03-30 09:09:19 PM

Crackers Are a Family Food: I also need to rename my wifi network.

The Star Wars characters aren't part of the Unicode character set.

cptjeff: I missed that one, though it's been a while since I read the Dirk Gently stuff.

I just read both the Gently books, and totally missed the reference. But I missed most of the Gently books, too. Like, I read them, but farked if I can tell you what actually happens in them. Did I somehow miss a sofa getting stuck in the TARDIS stairwell?

NeoCortex42

2013-03-30 09:12:47 PM

Girion47: I loved the homage to Amy Pond in this episode.

I'm glad someone else caught that. I thought it was a nice touch.

cretinbob

2013-03-30 09:13:09 PM

t3knomanser: I think the GI is experiencing time linearly. So after the 2013 Christmas Special, the next time he appears is with the Yeti in the Himalayas, and then eventually in the London Underground. By this time, he's become quite wary of the Doctor

yes

cretinbob

2013-03-30 09:14:18 PM

cptjeff: cretinbob: fusillade762: cretinbob: On the other hand, instead of 30 minutes a week it's 42ish.

42 you say?

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 460x300]

Did you catch the Dirk Gently reference in this episode?

I missed that one, though it's been a while since I read the Dirk Gently stuff. Can I get a spoiler here?

At the beginning when the bells of St. John were ringing...pick it up, pick it up, pick it up........

t3knomanser

2013-03-30 09:16:18 PM

cretinbob: pick it up, pick it up, pick it up

But Clara's head wasn't spinning on a turntable at the time. How would you expect anyone to notice that reference?

TheManofPA

2013-03-30 09:18:35 PM

Looking ahead, there is a quote in this episode that seems to hint at the listed villain for the finale/season.

Dingleberry Dickwad

2013-03-30 09:25:14 PM

Interesting episode. Pretty sure we're going to find that River was the "girl at the shop" that gave her the help number. So we know the villain is going to be the Great Intelligence. Near the end when the woman in charge is mentions that she's heard the GI whispering in her ear for so long, hits the factory reset button and reverts to a little girl, I wonder if we'll get to meet that little girl. And what exactly is the GI's typical MO? What exactly does it want and why?

Flint Ironstag

2013-03-30 09:25:36 PM

Anderson's Pooper: Flint Ironstag: Anderson's Pooper: Solid ep with a possible spoilery villain. No real info on Oswin though.

/Snog box

The 'big reveal' is that this Clara is not super brainy, unlike the other two we've seen. since she couldn't even sort out her wifi, until she got a brain boost from the uploading and downloading. Presumably she's kept the boosted IQ.Does that mean the other versions are 'later' copies of her? Is this River Song 2.0 again where we've seen a character at a far later point in her timeline?

She remembered stuff from Asylum to Snowmen but didn't seem to have any recollection of those eps in this one. We've had some previous companions who weren't that smart and they turned out all right (Leela). As to keeping her boosted IQ, I assume she got reset to factory specs like everybody else.

I think the "factory reset" thing was with the people working there, rather than the minds they collected. They all collapsed and couldn't remember anything which didn't happen to Clara, so I assume she'll keep the upgrade.

JPINFV

2013-03-30 09:27:14 PM

sirbissel: My feeling on the episode was kind of "meh". Can't really put my finger on a specific reason for why.

75% new companion set up, 25% story? It seemed like the actual story part reached conclusion really quickly.

dopekitty74

2013-03-30 09:27:32 PM

cptjeff: TheManofPA: So, River works in the shop now?

Well, for the three minutes she needed to, anyhow.

Wait, what? I didn't see River.... or was the black girl Melody?

Dingleberry Dickwad

2013-03-30 09:30:26 PM

dopekitty74: cptjeff: TheManofPA: So, River works in the shop now?

Well, for the three minutes she needed to, anyhow.

Wait, what? I didn't see River.... or was the black girl Melody?

Well Clara said a "girl in the shop" gave her the Doctor's number and told her it was "the best help in the universe". It never explicitly mentioned River, but it's a pretty fair guess. How many other people are going to have the Doctor's phone number and would just give it to someone?

Also, is it just me or is Clara smoking freaking hot?

t3knomanser

2013-03-30 09:33:53 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: It never explicitly mentioned River, but it's a pretty fair guess.

Actually, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the girl in the shop was Clara. In fact, the Great Intelligence is also Clara. So is the Doctor. And Rassilon. THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE IS CLARA.

JPINFV

2013-03-30 09:34:10 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: Also, is it just me or is Clara smoking freaking hot?

At least according to Wikipedia, it's a shame she's dating Rob Stark.

/GoT-DW babies!

dopekitty74

2013-03-30 09:38:27 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: dopekitty74: cptjeff: TheManofPA: So, River works in the shop now?

Well, for the three minutes she needed to, anyhow.

Wait, what? I didn't see River.... or was the black girl Melody?

Well Clara said a "girl in the shop" gave her the Doctor's number and told her it was "the best help in the universe". It never explicitly mentioned River, but it's a pretty fair guess. How many other people are going to have the Doctor's phone number and would just give it to someone?

Also, is it just me or is Clara smoking freaking hot?

Ok, right.. i had the same thought about the help number conversation. I thought the poster i was responding to was referring to river working at the coffee shop, and the black girl did kinda look a bit like the melody character (it's been a while since i saw the Let's Kill Hitler episode)

Jensaarai

2013-03-30 09:39:27 PM

JPINFV: sirbissel: My feeling on the episode was kind of "meh". Can't really put my finger on a specific reason for why.

75% new companion set up, 25% story? It seemed like the actual story part reached conclusion really quickly.

Definitely felt a bit like half an episode, but the pacing and interaction was good enough I'm not in the mood to complain. They really seem intent on fleshing out Oswin as someone who the doctor has an actual reason to invite along before they make her fully jump into the companion role.

One weakness of NuWho (and I speak as someone who has only scratched the surface of the old stuff) has been that they rely on everyone else talking about how awesome/special this random tagalong is after they're in the TARDIS. In this case, the Doctor actually has a reason to be intrigued that's been shown to us, rather than told.

Jensaarai

2013-03-30 09:43:08 PM

My lulzy nonserious prediction: Clara is River post-library. (Hey, we're in a big evil computer downloading and uploading souls kick.) She goes through a bastard version of regeneration every time she dies, where she keeps her form, but gets dumped in a random time period and loses most of her experience points.

t3knomanser

2013-03-30 09:43:20 PM

Jensaarai: In this case, the Doctor actually has a reason to be intrigued that's been shown to us, rather than told.

The puzzlebox nature of this companion does justify the Doctor's obsession. He does like a puzzle, this one. Oddly, this one felt very much like an RTD-era episode, to me. The heavy flirting. The high camp (jumping to the airliner and the antigrav motorcycle, the scenery-chewing villains). It wasn't bad, but it felt like a rewind to 2006, or so.

I am still digging the new credits, though, which are a nice homage to the 60s-era credits.

sirbissel

2013-03-30 09:49:53 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: Interesting episode. Pretty sure we're going to find that River was the "girl at the shop" that gave her the help number. So we know the villain is going to be the Great Intelligence. Near the end when the woman in charge is mentions that she's heard the GI whispering in her ear for so long, hits the factory reset button and reverts to a little girl, I wonder if we'll get to meet that little girl. And what exactly is the GI's typical MO? What exactly does it want and why?

It wanted the Doctor's body in Web of Fear... Not really sure what it was trying to do in The Abominable Snowmen.

Yeah, that's probably what it was. I'm hoping it's the weakest of the next half-season.

angrymacface

2013-03-30 09:56:07 PM

sirbissel: It wanted the Doctor's ~~body~~ mind in Web of Fear...

FTFY. It was planning on draining his mind.

cretinbob

2013-03-30 09:59:07 PM

t3knomanser: cretinbob: pick it up, pick it up, pick it up

But Clara's head wasn't spinning on a turntable at the time. How would you expect anyone to notice that reference?

You'd have to have read the book. The number of times she repeats it is what makes me think it was a baldfaced reference rather than just a coincidence.
Of course I was trying to find the exact spot and can't now.

Also if you don't get the reference of St. John, between 1113 and 1309 the were know as Hospitallers of St. John of Jerusalem . So in 1207 the monks would have recognized the symbol, since they were Benedictine monks. It was another 300 years until the Protestant Reformation.

cretinbob

2013-03-30 10:01:07 PM

t3knomanser: I am still digging the new credits, though, which are a nice homage to the 60s-era credits.

And the 80's credits (face fade). You can hear the original theme coming back through as well.

Pawn takes the King

2013-03-30 10:06:18 PM

I saw a nod to Baker with the scarf, I heard some snark at Tennant with being on chapter 10 & "11 is the best".. I missed the nod to Pond everyones talking about. Wha'd I miss?

sirbissel

2013-03-30 10:07:27 PM

Pawn takes the King: I saw a nod to Baker with the scarf, I heard some snark at Tennant with being on chapter 10 & "11 is the best".. I missed the nod to Pond everyones talking about. Wha'd I miss?

The book she was reading was by Amelia Williams.

t3knomanser

2013-03-30 10:08:26 PM

cretinbob: You'd have to have read the book.

I have. Just a few weeks ago, actually. Which is why I referenced a head spinning on a turntable. It's sort of a big part of the story. I'd tell you to read it, but it's a bit of a hot potato.

What in The

2013-03-30 10:10:07 PM

t3knomanser: Jensaarai: In this case, the Doctor actually has a reason to be intrigued that's been shown to us, rather than told.

The puzzlebox nature of this companion does justify the Doctor's obsession. He does like a puzzle, this one. Oddly, this one felt very much like an RTD-era episode, to me. The heavy flirting. The high camp (jumping to the airliner and the antigrav motorcycle, the scenery-chewing villains). It wasn't bad, but it felt like a rewind to 2006, or so.

I am still digging the new credits, though, which are a nice homage to the 60s-era credits.

Yeah, the new theme song is very reminiscent of the 60s. Kinda miss the Tardis traveling through a wormhole while getting thrown about, though.

Also - Clara's theme, "Climbing the Clouds," is just downright beautiful.

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